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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You explicitly said you opposed both an Israeli enclave and an Israeli nightclub in Samui. Being in one in Israel is irrelevant. More cynical games. If you're not Thai and Israelis want to "take over" Samui whatever that means in a country where foreigners can't own land that is up to the Thais to allow or not.
Argue like a girl? So not surprised a person obsessed with keeping the Israeli numbers down would resort to cheap misogyny as well.
 

Men understand that men and women have differing attributes. So men will refrain from arguing with their partners because they know that women move the goalposts during an argument. So find it endearing.

You aren't a girl, so i don't find you endearing.

Perhaps you are confused as you are trying to act like a woman, but don't at all look like one.

I have no problems with women and am in a long term relationship with one.

How about you?

Your arguments are foolish.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I assume you're not Thai so the humor in that comment is epic.

Only humourous if you are lacking in knowledge and intelligence. It's not that there weren't Israelis around, it that their numbers grew disproportionately. Their behaviour was always disgusting as far back as I can remember.

Once again, travel down to the island and speak to the people who live there. You don't need to take my word for it.

They take the p*ss. Of course in your eyes, that is them refusing to be victims. For me, it is just rude, disgusting and arrogant behaviour. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

What you write is true?
More like - - what you write is poison..
You've got an agenda and it is hateful and ugly.
If being around Israelis bothers you so much I reckon there bare nice Judenfrei islands in nearby Malaysia.

Naah...I was here first. They can go.

What exactly is my agenda according to Jingthing?

You argue like a girl. You lose one argument, so then you move the goalposts and start on another.

You claimed that I was against Israeli nightclubs, but when I revealed that I have been in one, in Israel and asked about your experience. you moved on to something else.

Now you are claiming that I have an agenda.

If my agenda is to shine a light on what has been going on down there for many years, I'm ok with that.

I don't post but a fraction of what is known. But since this particular case is in the limelight, I am discussing it.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You've attacked me personally very viciously. I find your anti-Israeli obsession ugly and vile. Trying to Jew wash your rants is typical of the game bigoted people play to try to sanitize their ugly agenda. It's like xenophobic trump who ran on a white supremacist agenda standing behind a few black people with Blacks for Trump signs. Fooling almost no black people. It's a universal game whether the target is Israelis, blacks, Latinos, Roma people, gays, etc.

Transparent to anyone with minimal consciousness.

 

You talk about victim hood. Funny that's the most fantastic thing about Israelis. They refuse to be victims.

 

Based on your rants I hope the Zionists totally take over Samui and then you can find a new place to complain about some other group taking over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How exactly have I attacked you? Have I written anything about fat, ugly, vile men of a certain persuasion?  

The only one attacking someone personally here is/was you. 

I posted facts and documented opinions, from Jews and Israelis. 

The fact is that you know absolutely nothing about the events on the ground in Samui, but here you are defending the lowlife, because they are Jewish/Israeli.

That to me is the height of bigotry and discrimination. You are more concerned about nationality and religion as to what may be right and wrong.

Every here knows where you stand and no one believes that you can be impartial.

If I had posted the same from a neo-nazi group, you would have an argument. But since they were from Jewish/ Israeli sources, that avenue was blocked to you.

As to your nonsense of Israelis refusing to be victims, to me it appears to be the kind of thing in which they revel.

Claiming to be victims whilst taking advantage. That is ugly and vile behaviour to my eye.

So you can continue the tradition of claiming that anyone who doesn't see all Israelis through rose tinted glasses as being a bigot. But no one will believe your entirely predictable emotional outbursts.

What I write is true and that is that.

Go to Samui and ask around. Is everyone there not Israeli a bigot?

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Better childish than an adult kind of ugly intolerance.

I agree of course with opposition to illegal activities. Let the Thai courts judge about that.

 

At least you admit that you are childish. I certainly don't think nor accept that I am intolerant.

As I wrote earlier, I kept my opinions to myself for a long time, fearing that perhaps I was not being patient enough.

But their behaviour was beyond acceptable. So when I spoke out, it was almost a relief to know that most everyone else thought the same. Even fellow Israelis and Jews. Illustrated by the links that I posted.

So your claims of ugly intolerance are false and without basis.

I don't need to stand by quietly when bad people do wrong. 

Once again, you cannot dispute anything that I have written about their awful behaviour and illegal activities.

So instead you attempt to attack me personally.

Pathetic. 

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I also prefer a balance of people. You explicitly said you oppose an Israeli enclave in Samui. That comes off as bigotry. Plain and simple. An enclave is not the same thing as taking over.

So what is your argument? That an enclave is ok, but taking over is not?

I see it as an attempt to do both. 

Yes, I oppose their setting up of an illegal clinic with illegal workers. I made that very clear. 

You should also understand that if they claim to be setting up the biggest Israeli nightclub in Thailand, it is not because they expect a small influx of Israelis.

So it is clear that I am suggesting that there are too many. Nothing to do with bigotry and exactly to do with what I wrote, segregation. 

I don't go to the islands to be surrounded by Israelis. If that makes me a bigot in your eyes, then your eyes do not matter to me.

I wrote exactly what I meant, as I know what happens on the ground on the islands, as opposed to your childish word games.

On 7/12/2017 at 10:00 PM, Jingthing said:

Yes I would be against illegal nightclubs of any kind. You're clearly against Israeli nightclubs even if legal. Samui or Mars ... that is prejudice. You can sugar coat it with excuses that Israelis deserve your disdain but I doubt you will fool many people.

What kind of nonsense is that? Why should I care about an Israeli nightclub? I've been to one in Israel. Have you?

Besides which, I was referring to an illegal clinic.

You really need to stop writing rubbish. You've been getting away with it for far too long.

You are desperately trying to paint me as anti-semitic and failing to do so. So now you are slinging mud in the blind hope of some of it sticking. But you are missing by a mile.

No one is being fooled by me. I have posted links from Jewish and Israeli publications that confirm my assertions.

Whereas you have nothing, but your usual persecution complex and denial with which to work. It's sad, but altogether predictable.

Of course just about everyone reading our exchanges can see that you are simply unable to refute any of the information linked to earlier. So instead you try to attack my character.

I am just posting from experience and expressing my opinion.

I don't want the islands to be overrun with Israelis or Chinese or Russians or... 

Imagine going to the Full Moon Party and 80% people there, excluding Thais, are Israeli. 

I don't go to Thailand to meet Israelis. 

This is my opinion. I am sure that others share it. It doesn't make them nor I anti-semitic.  I prefer a balance of interesting peoples.

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're obviously obsessed. Why would any normal person care so much if there is an Israeli nightclub any more than if there was an Indian one?

That does not hurt you. Just don't go.

To me it's not just about the nightclub. It's the fact that they have this segregated lifestyle. Samui is not Pattaya.

They don't have Indian only clinics, do they?

You droning on about me being "obsessed" only illustrates the paucity of your retorts.

I am posting facts, not just emotional responses, as you are wont to do here.

I don't want Israeli enclaves on Samui, especially illegal ones. The general behaviour described has been well documented. I took the trouble to present it in a balanced way.

It seems that you have trouble coming to terms with the way that they behave and would prefer that the reason for their poor reputation is some perceived bias. 

But that is not the case here.

The difference between you and I when it comes to this discussion, is that I have a deep knowledge of and many contacts on Samui.

Whereas you are replying from a position of no knowledge at all.

Which is why you resort to childlike retorts instead of intelligent discussion. So if you are unable to discuss this in any kind of intelligent manner, perhaps you should leave it to those who can.

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I accept the truth that you suffer some kind of obsession about Israeli tourists enjoying themselves in ways of their choosing that may not include you perhaps you could brush up on Hebrew.

 

Maybe see a good Jewish headshrink to talk about it.

 

Not my problem.

 

 

 

Transparent to all that you have no cogent response. So you resort to childish nonsense.

Enjoying themselves in the ways of their choosing should not impact on the way of life of others.

Just like the British can insist on no Sharia Law in the UK. If the Muslims want it, go elsewhere.

Why, pray tell me, should I need to brush up on Hebrew? 

This is a discussion forum and we are discussing Israelis on Samui. If you don't want to do that perhaps you should leave the thread.

If you would like to discuss it, perhaps you can raise the level of your posts to beyond the playground.

So it is no surprise to me that they are trying to claim that "jealous people" are behind it.

They used the same for their defence of calling their 'clinic' a shop and working without licence nor permit. 

On the other hand they state that their clinic works with all of the Israeli Insurance companies. Expressly stating that people should not contract with companies outside Israel. Asserting that it is because these non-Israeli companies will abandon you in your time of need.

Reason being of course is that responsible insurance companies will not pay for treatment via an unlicenced clinic/shop/whatever.

So if a responsible medical practice reported them for practicing without licence or permit, then rightfully so.

If they don't want to abide by the laws of Thailand, they should go where they can do their thing without impediment. 

I don't agree with them having an unlicenced clinic and him pretending that he is some kind of doctor.

It was only after him being reported and fined that he began to ask for volunteer doctors and nurses....offering to get them visas and work permits down the line.

Erm...to work, you need a work permit beforehand. So they are flouting the law, pure and simple. They certainly didn't employ any Thai staff. 

So once again, No. It is not Israel, it is Thailand. Respect their laws or get out.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'll let the toxic bias in your rant speak for itself.

 

 

There was no rant. Just fait accompli.

You have no reply because I already blocked your victim complex/anti-semitism routes.

My opinions have been formed solely from experience, not preconception. I have been truly shocked by the behaviour that I have witnessed over the years. 

I held back talking about it, as I didn't want people to think that I was anti-semitic. But when I first raised it in conversation, I was inundated with other people's personal experiences. Not just travellers personal experiences, but hotel staff, restaurant staff, gym staff.

So Jingthing, you really have to get over the persecution complex and look at the reality on the ground. Is Jewish self hate going to be your next route?

You did note that I linked to Jewish and Israeli articles, lest you try to accuse of anti-semitism etc.

No, I write only the truth. I don't concern myself with issues of race and religion, unless it affects the quality of my life and others perhaps close to me.

So if you tried to accuse me of such, I would rightly slap you down.

Face the truth.

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes I can see that and it definitely sounds very incriminating, but I don't necessarily automatically believe everything I read in the papers here. 

I know that you really want to believe in your fellow Jews, but there are people on Samui who know of this character, riding up and down Chaweng acting like an official.

Look at his Facebook page, with pictures of himself leaning into pictures with the police and pictured in situations that simply did not warrant it, wearing a T-Shirt with Police written on it and accompanying paraphernalia.

Claiming that he had a BB gun(why?) and denying all knowledge of the real guns and ammunition.

I guess he thought that his cosying up to the police as a volunteer and posting the pictures on his Facebook page gave him a veneer of 'untouchability'. Happily the military thought otherwise.

Malicious hands indeed: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4986242,00.html

Then his "clinic", in order to make serious money from exorbitant insurance claims.

Israeli nightclub....why does Samui need an Israeli nightclub? Do they need that kind of segregation?

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9 hours ago, balo said:

I think they are both to blame, the pedestrian for not looking at the road and the cyclist who clearly were speeding , this looks to be a busy road so caution always comes first .

 

I use the bicycle myself almost daily but not on busy roads and always slowly .  You need to pay attention every second on Thai roads.  

 

Another tragic accident that could have been avoided . RIP: 

 

 

Cyclist speeding?? How exactly did you surmise that? Certainly doesn't appear to be be going any faster than the coach moving alongside. Perhaps 10 mph to 12 mph.

23 minutes ago, sanukjim said:

Also anact of carelessness on the bike rider as she was passing the bus on the inside and was not paying attention to the path ahead.The Bike rider's fault clearly.

Just a nonsense post from you. 

How often do you see a cycle lane on the outside lane?

On the inside is exactly where it is expected for a cycle to pass. Apart from that she was not travelling faster than the bus, she was travelling alongside, trying to keep a safe distance. 

The problem was that the woman on the phone didn't see her coming, because she was looking at her phone. 

Not the fault of the cyclist at all. Cyclists are by design aware of their surroundings. There is no doubt that the cyclist knew the coach was alongside.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, it was a horrible accident but I think you're jumping to an unfair conclusion that the pedestrian was really at fault. This is a horribly unfriendly nation for pedestrians and people do walk in the roads, sometimes without choice. Yes, her running away was not admirable but that's not the same thing as saying it was her fault. You didn't even consider that maybe the cyclist was going too fast for the road conditions considering she was riding on the edge where it was entirely predictable that there would be pedestrians, even if just stepping out to cross the road.  

Perhaps you missed the bit where I wrote that she wasn't paying attention because she was looking at her phone. Not because she was walking on the road.  It's quite possible that the cyclist had clip in pedals, so couldn't jump off the bike easily.

Self serving lowlife scum bag. 

Used his position as a volunteer to the police to serve himself and his friends. Lowlife.

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Now, that's gangsta! (If true.)

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A team of soldiers, police and public health officials raided the Doctor Sam clinic in Bo Phut yesterday evening (July 7) following a complaint that a gang of Israeli nationals who gathered there were demanding protection fees from foreigners running businesses on the tourist island.

http://www.thephuketnews.com/samui-clinic-said-to-be-foreign-gangster-hangout-62949.php

It's clear that they masquerade as police, as shown by the paraphernalia on the table in front of him.

What is the Service Tag or Express Code written on the underside of the laptop?

Allegedly one of the reasons behind the raid was that certain characters were going around demanding protection money.

11 hours ago, Nemesis7 said:

Oh boy hope they are not playing with Mossad cause if the do ....

Please stop peddling this crud. Lowlife criminals are lowlife criminals. If they had the protection of the state, they wouldn't be begging for 100,000 shekels on their Facebook page. Pathetic.

12 hours ago, MobileContent said:

The Chabad House next to Khasosan also had at least weapons stored before the coup and they also maintained some high communication antennas. All Chabad Houses upgraded their security after the Mumbai attacks and I would say its a normal security procedure. If they have a pistol inside the building concealed or locked up I think it would be acceptable. 

If they had a licence for the weapons, yes. If not, no. If they don't want to accept the laws of Thailand, they can go elsewhere.

The disgusting cowardice of the woman who caused the accident, by wandering on to the road whilst looking at her phone and then running away when she saw the result of her careless action.

17 minutes ago, khunPer said:

"Israeli gangster on samui"
They are here to balance things up with Russian mafia, and any other mafia – including some often guys advertising (mainly abroad) with posters on the back of their jackets – always nice when things are in perfect balance...

Though of course not true. They were certainly there before the Russians arrived and are there to fill their own boots. Lowlife is lowlife, whether Russian, German, Israeli or otherwise.