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I just don't think foriegners are a target market to begin with. I think most of the online programmes are targetet at local students who can't attend on-campus anyway. Like you said, and I tried to say, thais and all foriegners that want a degree from an overseas will most of the time travel overseas to study. If Thais can afford foriegn university fees at western universities, they can also afford to travel there. I just don't think many foriegn e-learning programmes give a toss about Thailand or the Thai market, just as most foriegners couldn't give a toss about studying e-learning through a Thai uni, especially when a home degree would be better recognised and most likely not cost much more that the international Thai uni fees.

How about telling them to come up with a sentence that uses every letter in the English alphabet at least once. Here's the one I remember: The quick, brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

This would be a good filler activity.

where is the 's'?

maybe change jumped to jumps, or is that what you meant.

This thread was never about Thais going overseas to study. It is obvious that many Thai's go overseas to study at foriegn universities; there are quite large numbers of Thai students in Sydeny as far as I know.

This thread was discussing why E-learning didn't seem to be popular amongst Thai's, which could refer to on-line learning and learning through correspondence.

I have actually never seem a lot of advertising done by overseas foriegn universities for their online courses anyway. i have only ever seen the occasional TV ad or banner outside a Thai uni that offers exchange student or such programmes. Besides that, I ge tthe feeling that online learning is mostly targeted at students from that country that are looking for an alternative to on campus study. I would never consider doing an online learning programme through a university in a different country. I think most Thais would do online learning or distance education from their own Thai universities; I think if they want a foriegn degre thay would actually go overseas and become on campus students, like most of them do. The same would apply to me, If I wanted a Thai degree I'd actually be an on campus student in Thailand, I wouldn't consider doing a thai degree online. I just think that this does not only apply to Thais, but applies to everyone. I feel the majority of online students are doing degrees from universities in their country of origin. If that is so, The lack of Thai's doing e-learning courses in foriegn institutions is irrelevant. I feel most brits would go through online courses in the UK, most ozzies go through online courses in ozand the same for everyone else including Thai. I could have gone to start my degre in a Thai uni whilst living there, but finding OUA gave me the option of getting a degree from my country of origin in a more convienent way.

For every class I've done there has been study groups organised that get together once or twice a week to discuss things, and quite often there have been more than twenty students in a study group. The tutors even organise these groups that are sometimes mandatory to attend once or twice. Even when I started my degree in Thailand, in one class I was able to meet with two other students that were in Bangkok doing the same course, I though that was pretty unique and didn't realise just how popular distance education was. So there can always be face to face contact, even in distance education as long as some students and tutors get of their ass and organise study groups. Some classes are completly by correspondence, meaning no online course component and no computre needed. Maybe Thai students just have so much time on their hands that they don't need to study online and via distance education? Maybe they have nothing else to do than attend a university campus? I don't know, I chose online study because of the convienence of being able to plan my studdies around my life rather than having to plan my life around my studdies. Lifestyle is more important to me than sitting in a boring lecture hall when I'm told to. How many on campus students are able to get ahead financially in their life, earn a 110K AUD plus salary whislt working full time in a fun job with a lot of responsibility, save shit loads of money for a mortgage all whilst being a full time uni student? Not many me thinks. Thank god for technology and distance education.

I have always wondered the same thing. Open Universities Australia has over 30 or so degrees to choose from that can all be done (not necessarily completely online) via correspondence by anyone and from anywhere in the world. The tuition fees for international students are $195 per unit or class higher that Australian citizens, making a degree made up from 24 classes about $4600 AUD more expensive. Having said that, the total degree cost will still be about $20,000 AUD, which is not that bad IMHO, especially compared to what on-campus students pay or what some international programs overseas charge. Should the student succeed, they will get a degree from an Aussie Uni to hang on the wall. There is also no entry criteria. Having said that, the quality of students is kept high by the academic standards. It is not easy to pass and many students fail. So the ones that think it will be a bludge or a quick degree soon fail units and start to learn otherwise. I have a feeling based on my own experiences that Thai students (especially ones with limited English abilities) would find it very hard to pass and even cope with the workload required of many western universities online programmes such as those offered through OUA. I've taught English to full time Thai students that never studdied, they simply get good points for attendance and that was enough to get a degree. Online learning doesn't work like that. I just don't think a Thai would manage as well the with the workload. Two to Five essays, a research report of two, weekly online discussion forum participation, reading reviews, an inviligated exam at a place like the Australian embassy on a set date and at a set time by the university where it would be very hard to cheat and worse of all, timed online exams that have 60 or so multiple choics and short answer questions that you can only log into on a certain day that you can only log into once, all within 13 week semesters. I think a young Thai straight from a top international high school who has yet to experience Thai uni might have a very good chance of passing, but one that has spent a year or two in the Thai university system would find it hard to kep up with and adapt to the higher workload. But yes, why don't a lot of Thais study from overseas distance learning Uni programmes? Any stats? After all, if they wanted to migrate to an overseas country, having a degree from a university in That country would help. OUA has many students studying in India (Indians). The Indian degree is not recognised in Australia in many cases so the smart ones will get their IT degree through OUA and use it to migrate as a skilled migrant. Very smart. They will have done only one degree and when they get to Australia their bachelors will be recognised, unlike the poor sods I used to know who were cleaners in the rail system using their low cleaning wage to pay for a bachelors degree in Australia, after allready having a masters and in some cases even a PHd from India.

I was never disagreeing with bowmans claim that all thai uni's are not worthless, I was agreeing with him. I just suggested his example of 5 students wasn't enough to proove the credibility of a aprticular uni. If he didn't use that example to begin with I wouldn't have bothered posting in here because I agree with his statement. I just felt like suggesting that although I and many others might agree with him, the ones that don't would laught at his example of 5 students, especially with a minnow major such as music in focus.

Sad proof that I was partly right when I said it would be easier to proove that Thai uni's are shit

In regards to that list, Prince of Songkla is the number 1 Thai uni? <deleted>? Just goes to show. I was under the impression from most Thais that Thammasat and Chula, followed by Kaset were the top 3. That list in itself is rather surprising, some rankings of unis in other countries is not even similar to the rankings does by other ranking sources. Anyway, Good find toptuan, very interesting.

PB - I have to agree that the OP started this topic so it is the OP's responsibility to back up his or her argument.

jbowman - I hope you continue in here. I thought a debate is what you wanted after trying to comprehend your original post. Anyway, like I said many tuimes, i fully agree with all 4 of your arguments:

1 - Not all Thai unis are shit.

2- Not all Thai degrees are worthless.

especially your last 2;

3- Not all Thai programmes are shit.

4- Not all Thai students are bad.

I agree with all of the above.

I was just simply suggesting that your evidence to support that not ALL Thai unis and degrees are shit and worthless needed more backing up. I agree with your statements but I can not back them up myself. In fact, I'm guessing that there is sadly more evidence or proof that most Thai unis are shit, even though I think about 10 - 20% of Thai unis might be worthy. Maybe the old Times or QS rankings of years gone by can proove that at one small point in time a thai uni or two was in the top 200 world uni's list. But, where are they now on the list?

Now Mr. or Ms. bowman, can you back up your last two arguments in which you suggested that;

"All Thai Universities are sh*t, and so are their graduates. A Thai graduate couldn't find his or her collective ass with both hands and a map to guide them." ?

There ya go.

The only info I can think of given my limited teaching experience in Isan is that there are less bombs there and you will most likely live a longer life teaching in Isan that if you were to stay in the south.

Khao jai! Khao jai! I'll try to be more serious.

I agree that not all farang teachers are good at teaching english, just the same as many farangs can teach Thai better than a lot of Thai's can. I have heard a lot of farangs (keeping in mind that not all farangs are native English speakers) that speak dreadful. I feel sorry that you had a bad farng teacher and only learnt 2 words. Having said that, I know that you know more than two words because no one learns stand up and quiet as their first two words (unles the teacher was angry and told everyone to be quite and to stand up before the class began.) But yes, I would argue that not all farangs are good teachers, but many are. You just went to the wrong institution my boy.

Looks like a decent uni if music is your thing. How about some stats about Thai students getting business, engineering, medical, law, etc. scholarships. I'd been keen to know

Decent....lol Yeah its not bad. I've heard that MIT is an ok place to major in physics as well. Not great, but not bad either...

And how many Thai Physics majors that you know of and that you can use to back up your positive outlook on Thai unis have gone on to grad school at MIT?

So far you have only given us the example of 5 Music grads going on to Juilliard. I don't recal any other stats?

Why do I have to provide stats? The only point I'm arguing is that not all Thai programs and not all Thai students are crap. My 5 examples are from my direct experience. Those 5 are enough to prove my point. We can assume that I am not the only decent teacher in LOS, and so the number is most likely quite a bit higher than 5.

I'm not sure what I did to irritate your sensiblities, but I don't think I've said anything that isn't pretty much on the mark. The reason I don't cite examples outside my area of expertise is that They are outside my area of expertise. If you want information on business, physics, engineering, etc. you need to ask someone in those fields, teaching at Thai universities, who would have direct knowledge in that regard. In other words, stop with the veiled hostility and sarcasm, its wasted on me.

There's no need to get all hypocritical now. I was only asking you to provide stats to "back up" what you said, just like how you asked anyone who was arguing against you to "back up" their statements. there is no need to get all angry mate, I was just simply asking you to do the same thing that you were asking others to do. I guess after reading that you think your sample of 5 students is representative enough of the population to claim that not all Thai universities are bad. I'm sure there are even hundreds of students that go on from each uni to do marvelous things, but there are most likely thousands that don't. All I'm suggesting that 5 students isn't even enough to proove that your university isn't bad. I don't know what I did to get you all uptight, but it seemed that you were irritated from the very begining by basically saying that you were basically sick of hearing that all Thai universities and degrees were bad and useless. I was only, and still am suggesting that your example of 5 isn't even enought to get one university out of that catagory. Your university is probably good, proably the best; I'm only saying that your evidence to support your claim is not good enough. Like I have always said, I don't think that all Thai unis are bad. There is just very little evidence to suggest otherwise; and out of that evidence to suggest otherwise, half of it could be fudged figures by Thais trying to make themselves look good, eh? Try to enjoy the rest of your day mate. Have a cold one mate!

BTW, Has your thesis now change to not ALL Thai programmes and not ALL Thai students are bad, from not ALL Thai Uni's and not ALL Thai degres are bad? If so, I'd also agree with you on that too! No one has ever said that all Thai students are bad. Seems to me like you comitted the straw person fallacy and were caught out. Shame, shame, shame................

"So, this generalization pisses me off, and I want everyone to know about it" - Like I said, I'm not the one who's angry or even pissed off to say the least.

Mai Khao Jizzle My Nizzle

This girl graduated from Juilliard. I think she is Thai?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endid=151297980

I think she is Filipino.

Looks like a decent uni if music is your thing. How about some stats about Thai students getting business, engineering, medical, law, etc. scholarships. I'd been keen to know

Decent....lol Yeah its not bad. I've heard that MIT is an ok place to major in physics as well. Not great, but not bad either...

And how many Thai Physics majors that you know of and that you can use to back up your positive outlook on Thai unis have gone on to grad school at MIT?

So far you have only given us the example of 5 Music grads going on to Juilliard. I don't recal any other stats?

Mr Bowman is totally correct: Julliard and Eastman have been some of the finest schools of applied music in the world since I married my wife in 1965. In the world.

Mr. Bowman is also correct that if we cannot somehow, anyhow, prove what we say about "all Thai uni degrees" or even about "almost all undergraduate degrees in Thailand" then we should stop singing the chorus.

If that makes him correct, then the people who say Thai degrees and universities are useless are also correct unless people can proove otherwise

OOOOO a grammar mistake, if a spelling test was an indication of how good something is then wouldn't the world be such a simple place.

You need to be able to speak before you can spell. People can often read over spelling errors without noticing, but grammar mistakes just stop the flow.................................

Looks like a decent uni if music is your thing. How about some stats about Thai students getting business, engineering, medical, law, etc. scholarships. I'd been keen to know

Anyway, where is Juilliard & Eastman? I've never heard of them? And, what source did you obtain those rankings from? Like you say, you need to "back it up"

I'm a dim Pom whose only connection with further education is that I drive past a University on the way to work but even I know that Juilliard is one of the most famous music schools in the world.

Is this knowledge through your interest in music? Or is this something that everyone knows about?

Honestly, I've never heard of the place. I would have guessed it to be in the UK with a name like that but I now know it's in the USA because of the OP. Please tell me more......................

I have written "model answers" for Thai students studying abroad as well as the odd "model thesis" here and there..... oh and for Thai students studying in universities in Thailand.

I also know a few other people here both Thai and foreign that have done the same. It certainly pays well and we are not breaking the law, it is up to the student to claim it as their work or not.

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess

I entirely agree with you Jbowman, It annoys me greatly as well.

These people more often than not don't have the faintest clue about the quality of the main Thai unis. Many also claim to be in the know due to the fact they were TEFL ers at some small dodgy private institution that even the majority of Thai people have never heard of.

There is many good unis in Thailand that provide a high level of education. Furthermore each one has particular programs that will easily compete with any western program of the same level. There really is a good number of excellent Thai western educated scholars around, but obviously they can not be found at dodgy TEFL institutions where most farang teachers work and then claim to know all about Thai education.

As an example, in my program in the last 3 years students have been accepted into Warrick (one of the Top UK economics unis), Oxford, LSE, Cambridge, Cornell and more. If that doesn't indicate quality then I don't know what the hel_l does.

Jbowman; That was a well backed up reply

Endure; In your program do you teach "There is many good uin's" or "There are many good uni's"? Just wondering............

Not all Thai students do their own work while they are studying abroad in any case

Also some are given courtesy passes to keep the self perpetuating money generating educational system that is our university system running. It 's all about bums on seats!

You'd better be able to back that up or the OP might try to debate it LOL

I agree with you anyway. I'm sure a lot of Thai students, especially the mini-skirt wearing girlies could make an offer that some guys would be un-able to refuse for academic assistance. The emotion you used- would pretty much describe their face whilst doing so as well

Seems like a good time waster to give the students

This one gets trotted out almost every single thread. There are no facts or sources to support this statement, and unless some are provided (which, up until this point, they haven't been) I am going to have to tune you out.

I teach at the largest university in Thailand, in the largest music program in SE Asia. I have had 5 students (in my own area) graduate in the past 3 years and go on to do master's work in the US, all with full scholarships. All are excelling in their studies in the US (some have had to take some special intensive english courses before being admitted, to be able to cope with american university graduate paperwriting english) and they are on track to graduate. In addition to my own students, there have been many others from my department who are also in the US and Europe pursuing advanced degrees.

I make no claims at representing all Thai universities, but at mine, things are getting done at an international level, and its insulting to me to have ignorant posters claim otherwise. I take it personally because I give everything to my students, and my students here in Thailand respond with some of the most disciplined hard work and dedication I've ever encountered. I certainly never saw it (consistently) when teaching at this level in the US.

So, this generalization pisses me off, and I want everyone to know about it. Not everything is as bad as many of you make it out to be...

There might be no facts to proove the opposite of the claim that you are making, but as everyone knows, things in Thailand are not usually done according to the rules or laws, which are facts. Having said that, you are correct, it is hard to proove that Thai degrees are useless, but, it's even harder to proove that they are not. My point, it might not be fact or written into the students handbooks that most students in Thai universities get a pass or at least buy a pass, but everyone is well aware of the fail proof system that more than some of the universities seem to apply. As they say, "pay your money and you'll get a degree". People with no knowledge of Thailand or the Thai education system might believe you, but those in the know won't.

There are a few top universities in Thailand, I mean comparable to half decent western universities. You might work at the best. But having five students get full scholarships really means nothing at the end of the day. Also, everyone knows that you can basically get accepted into a western university with any undergraduate degree. That does not further the credibility of the Thai degree. Some universities even let you go onto post grad study without a bachelors. So I doubt it would be very hard to get into a masters course in any uni with a Thai degree. Did your students get into Harvard? I don't think so. Even so, who really cares, because at the end of the day, most people get degrees to get a better job, and if an employer will take a western degree over a Thai degree, what another university thinks of a Thai degree is irrelevant.

I'm sorry, but using a few students as evidence to support your claim is very weak and might only even be hear say. I agree that it would be hard to be a good teacher at a good university and because of the bad reputation of other universities that you fall into a bad catagory when Thai degrees are talked about. Thailand needs more good teachers like you.

As the saying goes, "With friends like you, who needs enemies."

With regard to the Harvard comment - they would never even have thought to apply there, because Harvard does not have an applied music department, only musicology (or music history for you non academic types). They did get into Juilliard, Eastman, Northwestern, USC, and U of Oklahoma. If you want to argue the merits of those university's music programs with me, I'd welcome it...

Its this statement "If an employer...Over a Thai degree" that I hear over and over again. And yet I have never had anyone give me any concrete evidence to support this claim. Its a belief, that many hold. I challenge you do provide evidence to back up this belief, then we can start to have a good discussion on this issue.

I was not just only referring to Harvard, I was just trying to point out that unless these student got into Ivy League (if that's what they're called) universities, that would be a very good sign of the quality of some Thai degrees. But, since they only got into your typical American University, I don't think that adds any credibility to Thai degrees. As I mentioned beofre, a lot of western universities accept people into post grad programs without bachelors to begin with.

In regards to the employer issue, I've known people to get knocked back from jobs due to someone having a degree from a higher ranked university. I've also known many Indian master degree holders to come to Australia and have to do their whole Bachelors degree again, because they couldn't get a job here with an Indian degree. I know you are referring to Thai degrees, but the principal is the same. It might be different in the USA, Thai degrees might by highly regarded, but you can't make good claims about the Thai degree just because of how they have been accepted in one country. The USA is just one of many places in the world where Thais take their degrees to find work.

lol None of the Ivy League Schools are ranked in the top 50 music school programs (US News and WR).

Juilliard - #1, Eastman #2, Northwestern #5, USC #16, Oklahoma # 24 Maybe time to stop while you're ahead on this particular issue.

2nd - You seem to be missing my point, regarding employer issues. I am not arguing that Thai universities don't have serious issues that need to be addressed. Many of them certainly do. What I am saying is that its not true 100% of the time. Thats my entire point. I am not asking people to stop discussing the issue. I'm just asking that people refrain from using "Absolute" terms when they do bring up the topic.

If a person continues to argue that "ALL" Thai universities are horrible, I think they need to be able to back up their point with some documented evidence.

Would you happen to work at Mahidol?

I actually agree with this "If a person continues to argue that "ALL" Thai universities are horrible, I think they need to be able to back up their point with some documented evidence." Having said that, If you cahnged the world ALL Thai universities to MOST Thai universities, well, then you'd lose my support

Anyway, where is Juilliard & Eastman? I've never heard of them? And, what source did you obtain those rankings from? Like you say, you need to "back it up"

This one gets trotted out almost every single thread. There are no facts or sources to support this statement, and unless some are provided (which, up until this point, they haven't been) I am going to have to tune you out.

I teach at the largest university in Thailand, in the largest music program in SE Asia. I have had 5 students (in my own area) graduate in the past 3 years and go on to do master's work in the US, all with full scholarships. All are excelling in their studies in the US (some have had to take some special intensive english courses before being admitted, to be able to cope with american university graduate paperwriting english) and they are on track to graduate. In addition to my own students, there have been many others from my department who are also in the US and Europe pursuing advanced degrees.

I make no claims at representing all Thai universities, but at mine, things are getting done at an international level, and its insulting to me to have ignorant posters claim otherwise. I take it personally because I give everything to my students, and my students here in Thailand respond with some of the most disciplined hard work and dedication I've ever encountered. I certainly never saw it (consistently) when teaching at this level in the US.

So, this generalization pisses me off, and I want everyone to know about it. Not everything is as bad as many of you make it out to be...

There might be no facts to proove the opposite of the claim that you are making, but as everyone knows, things in Thailand are not usually done according to the rules or laws, which are facts. Having said that, you are correct, it is hard to proove that Thai degrees are useless, but, it's even harder to proove that they are not. My point, it might not be fact or written into the students handbooks that most students in Thai universities get a pass or at least buy a pass, but everyone is well aware of the fail proof system that more than some of the universities seem to apply. As they say, "pay your money and you'll get a degree". People with no knowledge of Thailand or the Thai education system might believe you, but those in the know won't.

There are a few top universities in Thailand, I mean comparable to half decent western universities. You might work at the best. But having five students get full scholarships really means nothing at the end of the day. Also, everyone knows that you can basically get accepted into a western university with any undergraduate degree. That does not further the credibility of the Thai degree. Some universities even let you go onto post grad study without a bachelors. So I doubt it would be very hard to get into a masters course in any uni with a Thai degree. Did your students get into Harvard? I don't think so. Even so, who really cares, because at the end of the day, most people get degrees to get a better job, and if an employer will take a western degree over a Thai degree, what another university thinks of a Thai degree is irrelevant.

I'm sorry, but using a few students as evidence to support your claim is very weak and might only even be hear say. I agree that it would be hard to be a good teacher at a good university and because of the bad reputation of other universities that you fall into a bad catagory when Thai degrees are talked about. Thailand needs more good teachers like you.

As the saying goes, "With friends like you, who needs enemies."

With regard to the Harvard comment - they would never even have thought to apply there, because Harvard does not have an applied music department, only musicology (or music history for you non academic types). They did get into Juilliard, Eastman, Northwestern, USC, and U of Oklahoma. If you want to argue the merits of those university's music programs with me, I'd welcome it...

Its this statement "If an employer...Over a Thai degree" that I hear over and over again. And yet I have never had anyone give me any concrete evidence to support this claim. Its a belief, that many hold. I challenge you do provide evidence to back up this belief, then we can start to have a good discussion on this issue.

I was not just only referring to Harvard, I was just trying to point out that unless these student got into Ivy League (if that's what they're called) universities, that would be a very good sign of the quality of some Thai degrees. But, since they only got into your typical American University, I don't think that adds any credibility to Thai degrees. As I mentioned beofre, a lot of western universities accept people into post grad programs without bachelors to begin with.

In regards to the employer issue, I've known people to get knocked back from jobs due to someone having a degree from a higher ranked university. I've also known many Indian master degree holders to come to Australia and have to do their whole Bachelors degree again, because they couldn't get a job here with an Indian degree. I know you are referring to Thai degrees, but the principal is the same. It might be different in the USA, Thai degrees might by highly regarded, but you can't make good claims about the Thai degree just because of how they have been accepted in one country. The USA is just one of many places in the world where Thais take their degrees to find work.

This one gets trotted out almost every single thread. There are no facts or sources to support this statement, and unless some are provided (which, up until this point, they haven't been) I am going to have to tune you out.

I teach at the largest university in Thailand, in the largest music program in SE Asia. I have had 5 students (in my own area) graduate in the past 3 years and go on to do master's work in the US, all with full scholarships. All are excelling in their studies in the US (some have had to take some special intensive english courses before being admitted, to be able to cope with american university graduate paperwriting english) and they are on track to graduate. In addition to my own students, there have been many others from my department who are also in the US and Europe pursuing advanced degrees.

I make no claims at representing all Thai universities, but at mine, things are getting done at an international level, and its insulting to me to have ignorant posters claim otherwise. I take it personally because I give everything to my students, and my students here in Thailand respond with some of the most disciplined hard work and dedication I've ever encountered. I certainly never saw it (consistently) when teaching at this level in the US.

So, this generalization pisses me off, and I want everyone to know about it. Not everything is as bad as many of you make it out to be...

There might be no facts to proove the opposite of the claim that you are making, but as everyone knows, things in Thailand are not usually done according to the rules or laws, which are facts. Having said that, you are correct, it is hard to proove that Thai degrees are useless, but, it's even harder to proove that they are not. My point, it might not be fact or written into the students handbooks that most students in Thai universities get a pass or at least buy a pass, but everyone is well aware of the fail proof system that more than some of the universities seem to apply. As they say, "pay your money and you'll get a degree". People with no knowledge of Thailand or the Thai education system might believe you, but those in the know won't.

There are a few top universities in Thailand, I mean comparable to half decent western universities. You might work at the best. But having five students get full scholarships really means nothing at the end of the day. Also, everyone knows that you can basically get accepted into a western university with any undergraduate degree. That does not further the credibility of the Thai degree. Some universities even let you go onto post grad study without a bachelors. So I doubt it would be very hard to get into a masters course in any uni with a Thai degree. Did your students get into Harvard? I don't think so. Even so, who really cares, because at the end of the day, most people get degrees to get a better job, and if an employer will take a western degree over a Thai degree, what another university thinks of a Thai degree is irrelevant.

I'm sorry, but using a few students as evidence to support your claim is very weak and might only even be hear say. I agree that it would be hard to be a good teacher at a good university and because of the bad reputation of other universities that you fall into a bad catagory when Thai degrees are talked about. Thailand needs more good teachers like you.