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I didn't know we had this range function - was it always there and I did not notice? or did they sneak this in with a recent map update? Its not very helpful for the charging stations as there are way too few - but it is a start.

Xpeng CEO says he welcomes Tesla to bring FSD to China https://cnevpost.com/2024/04/29/xpeng-ceo-welcomes-tesla-fsd-china/ The Chinese EV industry welcomes any competition enthusiastically, conversely - US and European car companies are petrified of the Chinese competing in their markets, how odd! 'Tesla has great autonomous driving technology and brand, and only with the entry of more good products and technology can the whole market and customers have a better experience, Xpeng CEO said.' What an odd concept to think that additional competition will benefit the customer - that is hilarious! As some posters on here cant repeat enough, they rather pay companies to enrich themselves instead of taking advantage of the rapidly expanding attractive products from China. Yup - TSLA up 11%..........on a wing and a prayer!

Lets say you want to go from BKK to Krabi - how often and where do you recharge? Or for that matter any trip that pushes the range boundary, the car should offer several ideal scenarios for fastest re-charge vs. travel time optimizations. To no one's surprise, Tesla is the gold standard for this, but many other cars do quite well, too. BYD offers a black hole. Then there is this: https://x.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174 2024-04-25_TaylorOgan_1783350198502388174_yUJ7JMXN3DudPYuv.mp4

To be honest, I doubt BYD will change the graphics or much of the functionality of their software - it seems to me that is a department they are sorely lacking compared to other Chinese made EVs. Whoever is in charge of their software development should take his head out were the sun doesn't shine and get a look around what other companies do. There are cheaper vehicles out there that do so much better. Some of the most blatant nonsense to me are: On the consumption-graph page is a picture of the car taking 2/3 of the real-estate, and the useless squiggly graph is squeezed to the side without any informational value whatsoever. They obviously don't want to convey any useful information or data, they just needed another page with a stupid picture of the car. There is no trip preparation and support whatsoever, I am not sure this is just a Thai version failing as I have seen YT clips of European users that had some functionality for this. I suppose most users will forgive BYD for the crappy phone app - but after having used the MG app for almost 4 years with all its great functionalities, I know it does not take much to do much, much better. The one thing I have to credit BYD over MG is its responsiveness, I suppose their cloud service is much faster. And what is it with the tire pressure graphics? They could not even manage to put a Seal model in there? There are two things I like on the Tesla - their software and their power train efficiency. The Tesla interior and ergonomics however are such a disaster, I could never see myself in a Tesla. So in the end, I settled for less in the BYD in those respects, and without regrets........all my bitching about their software notwithstanding: It's an awesome car with some sad shortcomings.

Very Clever by Xiaomi, they will undoubtedly get a significant revenue stream from this: 2024-04-26_Nattawut Kayachat_SU7 มี 36.mp4

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Together with our BYD - there were 5 cars hooked up for charging.

Affirmative - it is sort of a single purpose wallet. See payment methods below........ not sure how common Alipay is in Thailand?

I disagree - 30 - 40 minutes charging time is an issue once the novelty wears off, especially compared to a Diesel SUV that runs for 800 km and is refueled in around 5 - 7 minutes. Just for giggles, I went downtown to check on a new 'Spark' EV charging installation advertised as 200 kW. 8 stalls, very user friendly due to the pre-paid function: plug-in, QR scan - charging starts. The battery was at 48%, max charging was 80 kW. This got to be a joke, and a bad one at that! Maybe Thailand is a trail-blazer in EV charger density, but if charging speed is maxed out at such low power levels, people will not switch to BEV's! 150 kW reliably, regardless of how many stalls are occupied, and we can talk. If this is not possible, the enthusiasm for BEV's will very quickly sour for the average Joe.

Watch and weep....... the Chinese software is much more advanced and useful than what we get! Or another one - when do we get NFC for unlocking? https://youtu.be/g4u4f2EFGqQ?si=7-AFWtOMxrBtJJ30

How to make the Seal Performance into a mileage champ:

I agree - HEV's are a marketing tool at best. I remember on HWY's in CA, the carpool lane was crowded with Prius'es sailing down the road at 70 MPH - there was absolutely no benefit whatsoever for the hybrids....... alas, they were permitted to use the carpool lane as single occupant vehicles, and that made them immensely popular. Of course, in the owners twisted logic, they claimed stellar fuel efficiency, which is absolutely not the case. What helped the Prius fuel efficiency was light weight, skinny tires specially designed for low consumption, small, fuel efficient engine, and good aerodynamics - all attributes that could be done on a regular car, too. For stop and go traffic in cities, hybrids do have tangible benefits. Oh - I almost forgot, 'Prius' was also code for slow moving cars...... so any car on the road that held up a Sunday canyon run for us car crazies was called 'Prius' - even if it was a Porsche or Ferrari. 🤪🤣

That brings tears to my eyes....... my cumulative is 18 kWh/100 km (6,100 km total) The last 50 km is just for teasing, it yoyo's up and down, I could never make out what exactly is calculated there. But you are right, the second motor is a very expensive toy - but isn't that the very definition of big boys toys..........lol

Stop complaining - at least you get over 500 km of range, with the AWD model only a female driver will get over 450 km 🤪 On a more serious note - what is your total kWh/100 km reading?

That's the hilarious part - western car companies sketch their dreams and hope to build something in 5 years, and in the meantime Chinese companies (e.g. Xiaomi) go from zero to build a factory and 100,000 vehicles in less than 3 years.......... I am not defending or hyping Chinese cars - I am just stating the obvious......... there is a new sheriff in town!

BYD Seal AWD: Another trip to BKK, total distance run: 425 km; remaining battery: 7% or 35 km - so realistically, the max range is 450 km max. (my wife would probably do +5%) Parameters: 95% of time 2 people, about 25 km with 3 on board. Temperature: outside of BKK and suburbs, around 34C, in the city 37C (per BYD gauge) speed outside city: max 120 km/h, most of the time around 110 to 115; driving mode setting: normal Conclusion: the range is OK, but I would not want to have any less; the non AWD model is the more sensible selection....... but could I really live without the ooommp on occasion? 😁 On a totally different subject: Am I the only one who finds the 'two blink' one touch turn signal very odd, if not to say nonsense? I have had this feature on every car going back over 20 years, all car had 3 blink one touch turn signals.......... what's up with BYD? Are all BYD models like this?

You are charging at 500 kW super-charging stations? Thought so.......... 🤣 I once went to a 150 kW DC fast charger, the cable was already quite hefty, so a 500 kW water cooled cable is probably pretty nutty. This is a sample: at 400 V and 500 A it's 200 kW at 800 V and 500 A it's 400 kW at 1,000 V and 500 A it's 500 kW

I agree with your take on EV's, except for the fast- or super-charging bit. It is much more important to have a dense network of chargers, than the ultra high charging speeds. Moreover, going at it with much over 200 kW brings with it a truckload of problems, especially if the charge station holds multiple stations. If you have 20 bays charging at 500 kW you need a small powerplant close by, not to mention that each charger needs to be water cooled, including the cables......... and good luck for the ladies hauling a 20 Kg charging cable around, broken finger nails and all 🤣

Interesting test results by a Chinese outlet (Dongchendi) on CLTC vs. actual range for some models sold in China, what is especially curios are the significant variations between models, i.e. from below 20% to almost 40% loss. No details were given about test parameters, so it is not possible to evaluate the test conditions and how they might have affected the result.

If they make it to Thailand, prices In Thailand will be significantly higher, because Xiaomi has no plans to build a factory in Thailand, which removes some incentives the Thai government gave companies like BYD and Deepal etc. But in China this will have an impact - in an already very crowded segment of EV models. From what I read, Xiaomi has their sights on Europe as they compare their top model with the likes of the Porsche Tycan.

Xiaomi SU7 was introduce with prices this evening, and they rock! Converted from Chinese prices to THB: 'official price in China for the starting model 1.16 million baht, and Pro and Max models will be 1.24 - 1.52 million baht. 50,000 orders in 27 minutes after accepting orders. https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/28/xiaomi-su7-launched-with-830-km-range-starts-at-29900-usd/

I suppose some day you will notice that the UK is no longer in the EU....... at least not for the time being. Battery degradation uncertainty might just not be the right counter EV argument - HV battery SOH can actually be determined very accurately with the right diagnostic tools. I seriously doubt that many EV's have been bought because the buyer wants to contribute to the 'safe the planet' gospel, sure some did, but for most the reasons are very different. It seems to me what brought on the craze are the incentives in various forms - e.g. in Beijing getting a plate for an ICE is next to impossible and only by lottery, EV's get them instantly........etc. If incentives are removed on a large scale - like Germany just did - the EV segment will fall on hard times, but that could be the reason Germany with a badly struggling EV industry did it? I have an EV for technical reasons. The financial incentive was also not too shabby. I also do not think the world will go EV within a few years as mostly Tesla stock holders are betting on. But I also think EV's are here to stay, the cat is out of the bag, and it is fun to drive an EV - maybe take off the blinders and give it a try? As for your desire to inhale the exhaust fumes of the modded pick-up trucks belching black Diesel smoke by the truckload - enjoy!

You must be driving down-wind, down-hill all the time.......... my cumulative AEC shows 18.1 kWh/100 km 🤣

The motors are not the problem..... your right foot is..........lol

Really? Most American muscle cars were sedans parading as sports cars, with 2 tons of an iron clump under the hood, redlining at 4500 RPM.........lol Trust me, I had one - a T/A 455 SD no less, quick for the times, no breaks to speak of, and would be run off the road by most lowly electrical car today. But hey, we were all kids at some point, but most of us moved on, had real jobs, maybe even family......... but not all did 🤪