Chomper Higgot

At least when I post links they address the point I’m making. You should give that a try.

How about picking a link and telling us what claims of yours you think it is supporting.

Probably best you don’t get into this with me or anyone else for that matter. The link you have provided provides zero support to your claim that asylum seekers should seek refuge in the fire safe country. No such requirement exists.

Link to your claim they are supposed to seek refuge in the first safe country?

put a pin in that.

Do we all accept Trump is now in jail watch?

Links to claims made please.

My side?

All things are negotiable.

Nick, correct me if I’m wrong. Two clear statements are frequently made. 1. Israel is fighting this war to wipe out Hamas. 2. The war will end when the hostages are released. Which is correct?

Oh and I support the world’s news media being permitted to send journalists into Gaza. Let’s have a view independent of Hamas and independent of Israel. I have yet to hear a single sensible argument against this.

I thought the pre-7/10 period was off limits. But if we are going there it wasn’t simply a ceasefire was it? There was a lot of other stuff going on.

No I’m not, I said no such thing. I argued Hamas are a blood thirsty terrorist group who will commit any heinous crime without compunction. Palestinians very clearly have much to fear from Hamas who have a history of murdering Palestinians who oppose them. I support Israel’s right to defend itself, I do not support Israel conducting open warfare killing tens of thousands of civilians. I support a negotiated settlement and a two state solution.

I think we both agree that Hamas are a viscous, bloody thirsty terrorist organization that will commit any heinous crimes without compunction. If we can agree on that, what do you think would be the response of a Palestinian faced wit disobeying Hamas or obeying Hamas?

Opinions differ. It’s not an excuse for collective punishment.

And then a temporary truce secured his release. So maybe continuing the carnage is not the only way to secure the release of the hostages.

I expect it might be the ‘living in fear bit’. Nah. Go with the collective punishment.

Maybe the Palestinians don’t know where the hostages are being held. Maybe the Palestinians are living I fear of Hamas, which I think we all agree is a viscous bloodthirsty terrorist organization. You claiming they must know doesn’t mean they do and clearly you have no defense of your claim the Palestinians are holding the hostages. But you are doing a very good job at putting forward the argument for collective punishment, which fits well with your ‘no reason to complain when the carnage starts’.

I read your link expecting it would provide some statement from Hamas to back your claim: It does nothing of the sort. It’s an opinion piece. Your claim is unsupported.

Yes, holding hostages is a war crime and Hamas are doing that. I think everyone here agrees that Hamas are a blood thirsty terrorist group. You seem to be saying the Palestinians are Hamas. Would you like to clarify?

Well that, you tell us, is the view of Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization. What about you Brian, how many civilian deaths do you think is acceptable?

I must go back and review the discussion on ‘watch the [edited] video’

I certainly don’t. Which is yet another reason to permit the world’s news organizations to send their journalists into Gaza. Let’s have a view independent of Hamas and Israel. Any arguments against that?

Have you got a link to how many civilian casualties is acceptable?

Because you think women and children facing starvation is a cheap point scoring prop. But hey, when the ‘carnage’ starts ‘they have no reason to protest’.