Chomper Higgot

We know the IDF did lie, we know war is dirty, we have the video footage recovered from the phone of the body of a paramedic gunned down by the IDF and dumped in a shallow grave. The Ted Crescent’s calls for an international investigation are entirely reasonable.

Which of the 30 victims in these reported air strikes in a bakery, hospital and refugee camp were participants in any of the heinous crimes you refer to?

You’ve obviously not been reading the reports from both sides in this war.

There’s more where they came from.

The ‘axis of evil expands’. Russia, N.Korea, and now China. “In parallel, Russian Foreign Ministry officials are set for talks with U.S. counterparts in Istanbul, signaling attempts to address broader diplomatic issues between the nations, including the normalization of embassy operations.” With Trump eager to get ‘on side’. Not a ‘Devastating Consequence’ in sight.

I’ll leave all that to your imagination Nick. Refer top of the thread for the actual topic of discussion: Gaza Medic Killings: Israel's Shifting Stories Under Fire

I comment on a wide range of topics on this forum, to say I am ‘focussed on Israel’ is patent nonsense. Here we have a topic examining Israel’s misrepresentation of truth wrt to the killing of civilians by the Israeli military, it’s topical this week on account of the IDF gunning down paramedics and lying about the circumstances of the killings. The forum management have chosen to post this topic which is open for members to discuss. I’m a member and I therefore may discuss this open topic. I trust that’s OK with you?! You and one other member have offered up whataboutary to this topic If you don’t like the topic of discussion, pass it bye or take your objections up with the moderators. I personally have no say in what topics are chosen for the forum but I am pleased to see this very typical subject open for discussion.

But but but… Whatabout… Syria… Yemen…. But but but.

But but but. Whatabout…. Dresden… Coventry… but but but.

The video footage found on the dead body of a Paramedic gunned down by the IDF and dumped in a shallow grave isn’t lying. So let’s dispense with your whataboutary.

And yet nobody has produced any verifiable evidence here. Odd that, don’t you think?!

Agree entirely. I would only add their motives and the benefit they themselves ‘receive’ is worthy of close examination.

“People are asking for verifiable proof / evidence etc.. which is impossible when they can turn around and simply say the IDF was lying.” Well apart from the video footage recovered from the phone of a paramedic gunned down and dumped in a shallow grave by the IDF and the actual statements made by the IDF which are contradicted by that video evidence. The statement ‘The IDF lied’ is a statement of fact.

I’m pleased to report they do. I’ve been checked twice at 5am driving out of Pattaya to go cycling. Stone cold sober both times but nevertheless checked.

I doubt very much they care.

Clearly we do not. The known and verified facts I listed are part of the truth which includes the indisputable fact that the IDF lied. Lying wrt to the killing of paramedics is not a ‘small irrelevant point’, especially when it is the killers doing the lying. You really should have stuck with your fist post in this thread, hatred of the victims is all you have.

The opportunity to determine truth of what actually happened obviously bothers you as much as it does those who attempted to cover up their actions with lies.

The IDF lied about this incident and have made statements for which they have provided zero evidence. The Red Crescent has called for an international inquiry. This is entirely reasonable.

It’s important to note the IDF have issued explanations that are demonstrably false and then changed those explanations when solid evidence shows up. The IDF have also made a number of other statements regarding this incident for which they have provided zero evidence. I’ve listed, known verifiable facts, you’ve responded to that post with unverified assertions. There is obviously good cause for an independent investigation and very clearly the IDF are not a credible source of information in these killings.

Here’s what we know as facts. 1. The IDF gunned down paramedics wearing high vis paramedic uniforms in/at Ambulances that had their lights on. 2. The bodies of the IDF’s victims were dumped in a shallow grave. 3. The IDF issued statements on the killing that are demonstrably lies. 4. The proof that the IDF are lying is video footage recovered from the phone of an IDF victim exhumed from the shallow grave. 5. In the face of the video evidence the IDF changed their story. 6. The IDF have made statements regarding 6 members of Hamas being in the Ambulances, the IDF have produced zero evidence to support that claim. Those are facts. I suggest you keep it simple, stick to your first defense of this atrocity, it relies on nothing but your own hatred of the IDF’s victims:

Is it too much to ask that the IDF should not gun down paramedics and then lie about it?

Your evidence is a statement from Lt Col Nadav Shoshani, who has already been demonstrated to have lied through his teeth regarding the curious inability of IDF forces to know if Ambulances have their lights on. Moreover this same Lt Col Nadav Shoshani claimed: Zero evidence to back the IDF claims has been produced. Zero!

You have provided no evidence to substantiate that claim.

Please provide a link to this otherwise unattributed statement.

Provide it here and evidence that the claim is correct.