Chomper Higgot

I think most p pole understand the virus has no respect of national boundaries and needs to be denied victims everywhere. In the context of vaccines which businesses are suffering, certainly not those producing, filling, distributing and administering the vaccines. Tax payers paying to fight a virus that is a threat to them and businesses seems like a fair use of taxes.

As has been explained many times, it’s an incomplete truth, the part you omit being that which is inconvenient to your point of view. Not that that omission necessarily implies you are being deliberately dishonest, you might simply lack the ability to process nuanced arguments.

A little reading around the kinds of people who buy into anti-vaccine pseudoscience, conspiracies and faux fear mongering suggests these officers are doing their bit to raise standards in policing.

You just made the logical error you accuse jeffr2 of. That you personally have insurance in no sense negates anything jeffr2 said.

The basis of my premise (and one that TBL was very happy to see I hold) is that nobody should be denied medical care when they need it. Now you wade in with your off topic attempt at diversion waffling on about people who are overweight and smokers, and a number of others you are getting your hate up on.. Well yes it would be wonderful if these society wide health issues were not so society wide present, it would be even better if the risks they raise of serious illness, hospitalization and death could be drastically reduced by a couple of safe and effective vaccines. The topic is COVID-19 and the safe and effective vaccines that dramatically reduce serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19. You could ask the mods to open a sub-forum on the other issues that concern you.

Oh look it’s another conspiracy thread.

I find the HCA troubling. On the one hand letting people see the real outcomes of COVID is a god thing but on the other the HCA borders on mocking the afflicted. Don’t get me wrong, I see absolutely nothing wrong with mocking COVID victims who themselves have used their influence and often their power to undermine the fight against this wretched disease, by all means give them what they deserve, they’ve earned it. But I do not hold with mocking the very many people who they convinced with their lies and misinformation. Many of these people lack the intellect, education or have been directed away from science/medicine based advice, far too many others suffer emotional and mental health issues that have made them susceptible. The last thing these people and the families they leave behind need is mocking. Finally, I don’t think it helps pursued a single anti-vax adherent to take the vaccine. If these people aren’t able to start asking questions when they hear the talking heads on TV ranting against vaccines have been vaccinated, ranting against mandates work in organizations that have for sometime mandated vaccination and rant against masks in front of a camera crew all wearing masks - well no, mockery will not get to the parts logical arguments fail to reach. It’s time to stop indulging these people and mandate vaccination.

Contagious disease and car accidents are not comparable. Unless of course you have evidence of road accident victims infecting others with broken bones and other forms of bodily injury.

I’m very pleased to hear you are. Now perhaps you’ll accept its utter selfish lunacy of people being denied medical treatment because hospitals and ICU are unnecessarily full of people suffering COVID outcomes that they could almost entirely have avoided had they accepted vaccination. It’s past time to mandate these vaccines. Nobody should be denied medical treatment because of the selfish lunacy of others.

I don’t support denying the right to medical care to anyone for whatever reason

Did you miss the fact that approaching 5,000,000 people have been killed by COVID?

Actually in many places they did. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus Stay in school kids, there’s stuff like history to be learned.

Is that what passes for balanced, rational and reasonable argument, or is it you trolling again?

A DNR order will not keep you out of an ICU.

You need to back up that seemingly ludicrous claim.

I don’t know anybody who chose of their own volition to do so. Do you?

Because l, as you yourself demonstrate, science, facts, best medical advice and continually growing hard evidence are trumped in the minds of a minority by misinformation, conspiracy and allegiance to cult like articles of faith. Thanks for asking.

I think most understand the vaccines dramatically reducing the chances of being made seriously ill, hospitalized or killed by the virus while it’s still around.

OK, let’s go there: Please provide information from a trusted medical advisor who is stating the vaccines don’t make sense and the particular circumstances in which they don’t.

You need to hide that from your anti-vaccine chums. It’s an article of faith within the anti-vax alternative universe that Big Pharma are in in a conspiracy with Government against ‘the people’. Big Pharma getting big fines is evidence of what the rational amongst us already know. Another anti vaccine Hogwash conspiracy.

Billions?

And almost entirely owned by a single company ‘Sinclair Broadcast Group’.

“Sadly there are millions of people that aren’t clever enough to see thru his BS.” I don’t believe intelligence is the central issue determining adherence to the lies. I suspect it’s a two fold mix of allegiance to ‘tribe’, and living in a bubble of misinformation. I think both these need to be in place in order to produce the full blown anti-mask, anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine adherents. I note that of the two dozen plus Americans within my social circle here in Thailand all but two are definitely supporters of Trump and/or express rightwing views that are aligned with much of what he says. All, without exception have been vaccinated and many shared vaccine information on the availability of vaccines. I believe the reason why they have so readily accepted the vaccine is they are not surrounded by wall to wall anti vaccine propaganda from TV and talk radio. No matter how intelligent people are, if they are only receiving misinformation it takes a great deal of will and effort to think a straight path through it.

One is one too many. And it’s not just 4 cases is it? https://piper.filecamp.com/uniq/yyQHzDB8N11tCbpv.pdf

So people aren’t buying and ingesting a horse de-wormer? Hospitals are not treating people who have imbibed a horse de-wormer?