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It’s his mother I feel sorry for. I genuinely do.

She’s an American Citizen and at the time of being trafficked for sex with Andrew Windsor and others was a minor under US law. The US like the UK extends the jurisdiction of its courts globally where sex crimes involving their citizens are involved, either as perpetrator or victim. The US court has jurisdiction. It is US law the court considers not UK law. A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult, an adult performing any sex act with a minor is a crime. Paying the minor in cash or in kind does not make the minor complicit in the, the minor is not competent in law to consent. All that aside, this is a civil case that will be settled on whether or not it can be reasonably demonstrated that the allegations against Andrew are true or not. It also appears from statements made by Giuffre’s legal team that she is not going to settle out of court. I think it’s fair to say, Andrew’s not feeling the love right now. (With all due respect and all that).

If he were entitled to diplomatic immunity he would have played that card already. Meanwhile, back in the UK he’s been stripped of his ‘HRH’ title, stripped of his military Commands and you is under increasing scrutiny from the press and public. What a mess he’d gotten himself into.

Rules are for everyone, including those who believe themselves to be responsible.

From the OP: “If you get the call don't come at 8. Come at 11. Thai time.” And make a detour via BPH (or other private hospital) to get your own test first.

His title means ‘Jack’ in a US Court Room.

["He did not reasonably believe she was 18." Do you have evidence for that statement? "Irrelevant to this case". I don't agree - seems important but it's just MHO] This is a civil case, not a criminal case, what ‘The Andrew, formally known as Prince Andrew’ believed at the time is an irrelevance. The case will be settled on what ‘The Andrew, formally known as Prince Andrew’ can be reasonably shown to have done, not what he believed he was doing.

“vaccines are helping to keep people alive, but we are in worse shape now in terms of hospitals being overwhelmed than we ever were before vaccines were available.” Because of the arrival of the very much more infectious Omicron variant, which is creating higher numbers of hospitalizations in a shorter period while at the same time infecting hospital staff and thereby causing staff shortages. A solid argument against relaxing public health policies until this Omicron wave has passed.

In terms of the crimes committed against her she was a minor. It’s not a grey area.

I did say you were the only one, bad news (in your linked case ‘bad news opinion’) sells.

A mess of Andrew’s own making. But blame his victim why don’t you!

We already see governments acting to reduce precautions with the Omicron variant, arguing it is a virus with less serious outcomes. The idea that governments wish to impose public health precautions for any other reason than the virus being a threat to public health is an ‘Anti-Vaxxer/Anti-Public Health measures’ conspiracy theory. The public health precautions will disappear when the virus is no longer a threat to public health.

Nonsense, vaccination has freed millions of people to be able to return living a more normal life, has enabled businesses to re-open, facilitated travel, protected people in vital service jobs and massively reduced the load on health services. Let alone the countless lives vaccines have saved.

In the meantime vaccines have saved countless people from serious illness, hospitalization and death and too the immense related impacts of misery, grief and healthcare costs.

Also added in large quantities to food here in Thailand.

Already debunked in the thread addressing this very news item.

Nobody infects others with obesity simply by breathing near them. And I quite expect the same people arguing against vaccines would get in line to argue against the means to combat obesity.

What was it you said earlier?: “No, I can’t provide a link, it’s just my own pessimistic prediction,“ However, you could look at the past history of pandemics and observe the fact that they eventually disappear as the virus that caused them mutates until it eventually ceases to be a public health treat and/or disappears. But of course that would not fit your predilection to ‘pessimistic prediction’ and certainly undermines your ‘endless booster’ doom mongering.

“They will also never accept that the vaccine is ineffective, you just need more boosters.” Of course, not because claims of the vaccines being ineffective are a lie. The data demonstrates the effectiveness of vaccines, fewer serious illnesses, fewer hospitalizations and few deaths.

That didn’t take long: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/13/veterans-ask-queen-to-strip-prince-andrew-of-honorary-military-titles

Endless booster shots for every is a figment of your own imagination.

No it’s not. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

Neither, but if you think the ‘court of public opinion’ doesn’t exist and doesn’t matter, watch what happens to Prince Andrew. He’s already losing his positions as head of charities and foundations. He’s in a world of hurt right now and almost all of it relates to the impact of this case on his public image and the image of an institution into which he was born.

He’s not being tried in a criminal court (well not yet anyway). He is however on trial in the court of public opinion and his efforts to avoid a civil hearing, failed as they have, are not helping the commonly held verdict against him.

“So the number of "from Covid" deaths would be about 32,500 in the UK and the "withCovid" would be 150,000 if that is correct. “ The UK’s ONS, who’s job it is to collect and present the data have stated the actual death count exceeds 175,000. Perhaps you’d like to explain the disparity between your statement I have placed in quotes above and the ONS data. The UK’s procedures for recording cause of death are available and you might want to make reference to them when making your reply.