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  1. 3 minutes ago, RayC said:

    I stand corrected (assuming The Guardian has got it right).

     

    Nevertheless, given that EU and UK regulations will be in alignment on 1/1/21, why would the UK government reject the transport offers? To do so risks chaos for businesses and probable shortages of goods for consumers.

     

    (I can understand why the UK might reject the Fisheries offer)

    as stated its never a straight foward deal with the EU there always add-ons/extras

    The commission also said its offers on road and air transport would depend on the UK providing "fair and equal opportunities", adding: "A level playing field requires that, even after the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom continues to apply sufficiently high and comparable standards."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

  2. 1 minute ago, Hi from France said:

     

    side noteit saddens me to see the UK referring to itself as "independent coastal state", since when did the UK stop being a world power to self-define as "an independent coastal state"?

     

    There are more ambitious things to do in today's world for the UK than to deny access to fishing quotas

     

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    My understanding the EU was offered 40% from British fishing waters and the EU said no we want 80-85%

  3. 24 minutes ago, RayC said:

    You are incorrect.

     

    There is no mention of this offer being contingent upon the UK agreeing to anything else.

     

    Moreover, it is not a question of accepting all three measures as one package. The UK can reject the Fisheries offer and accept the other two.

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2368

    EU makes fishing and transport no-deal offers in return for 'level playing field'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/10/raab-eu-must-make-substantial-shift-for-brexit-talks-to-succeed

  4. 4 minutes ago, RayC said:

    The EU have already agreed to let air and road - and I assume Eurostar - services continue post-transition.

     

    Why wouldn't the UK reciprocate? Notwithstanding the enormous economic consequences of not agreeing to do so,  it would potentially leave thousands of British nationals stranded in Europe. Wouldn't that be callous and vindictive; an accusation that Brexiters usually level at the EU?

    No the EU has suggested a proposal to let air and road continue so long as the UK agreed to the level playing fields

    The problem with the EU is any trade deal is never straight on the EU side there always add-ons

    If I sold apples to the EU and I bought oranges from spain that a straight trade deal

    when one side attempts to add extras into the deal then its no longer a straight trade deal

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  5. 5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

    Gloomy forecast, I hope we do not come to that. 

     

    Now: we in the EU just want a reasonable deal in exchange for giving access to the single market: mostly a level, competitive playing field, access to fishing quotas that our fishing communities have used for centuries, and serious guarantees in case the UK does not respect our deal. 

     

    So there is no capitulation needed, its mostly common sense. 

     

    Ursula von der Leyen, the European commission president, said: “We understand that the UK aspires to control its waters

    UK to strengthen sea patrols to ward off post-Brexit fishing wars

    The Marine Management Organisation, responsible for English waters, can obtain a further 22 ships in an emergency, and is also considering whether to take on two extra surveillance aircraft to help cover the maritime area.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/05/uk-to-strengthen-sea-patrols-to-ward-off-post-brexit-fishing-wars

     

    Four navy ships to help protect fishing waters in case of no-deal Brexit

    Exclusive: two vessels to be deployed at sea with two on standby in case EU fishing boats enter EEZ

     

    Strange statement for Von der Layden 

    I could understand Spain aspires to take control of gibraltar as it has for a number of years

     

    Reply from number 10 The spokesman said it was a "fact", not an aspiration.

    He said: "We've been quite clear on this. As an independent coastal state, we are ready to conduct an annual negotiation with the EU on arrangements for 2021."

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  6. 40 minutes ago, RayC said:

    The UK will become a '3rd country' in the EU's eyes on 1/1/21. The US is a 3rd country and its citizens are currently banned from entering the EU for non- essential reasons. Why should the UK be treated any differently?

     

    I'd imagine that each of the individual EU member states have processes dealing with the repatriation of their nationals.

    It will be diffcult if not impossible for a single European living in the UK  if there are no air,boat or train transport links between the UK and Europe 

  7. 14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

    The issues are not about who can fly where, they are about recognising safety certificates from the respective authorities, aircraft cannot fly without a valid certificate.

    The Channel Tunnel safety certificates will expire by default on 31 Dec.

    There must be a legal arrangement by the 1st Jan to ensure all critical documents are still recognised by both parties.

    The worst case scenario is staring us in the face.

    Holidaymakers from Great Britain barred from EU after 1 January under Covid rules

    European commission indicates Britons will face ban on non-essential travel at end of Brexit transition

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules

     

    The EU needs to keep open the Channel Tunnel and the airport routes to allow the 4 million EU citizens to return home for what ever reason

    Unless they plan to tell their own citizens when one of their relatives is ill or dying, sorry we can't help it was your choice to live in the UK

    and the UK must be punished for daring to leave the Great Project

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  8. 2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

    Walking away was always a delusion.

    Whether you like it or not the UK will have no option but to make contingency deals with the EU.

    Apart from the obvious transport arrangements that need to be made, do you really want Bojo to walk away from the security issues, or does sovereignty take priority over security?

    50/50 or ask a friend.

    the EU contingency plan are just proposals nothing more, The UK can accepted them , rejected them or seek amendments

    Number 10 has already stated that the fisheries proposal is a non starter in its current form

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  9. 2 minutes ago, david555 said:

    Posting and quoting is a different case ...in posting i am the editer , in quoting i am not , only highliting in bold is no color ....

    You should know when you cut and paste from a news article your asked to post as plain text as that removes the large fonts and text that is in bold some of your posts take up an entire screen when viewing from a mobile phone

  10. 12 minutes ago, david555 said:

    I learned something today from you ...thanks ....lol

    so to avoid when  posting a very accurate line from whoever ....i shall take it as mine as it is impossible to keep a library of those  whenever  would need it to mention  to people who need for whatever a link  lol.... as you should know  for article i always give full links and dates and journalists names as i know brexiteers in last ressort of hopes use that question to save face ...."link ?" 

     

    And i never  be ashamed to show i read the oppositions ammunition  story's ???? as sometimes very helpful to use in the opposite direction ????

    No problem you are welcome also could you refrain from using large fonts and highlighting your text in bold 

    its hurts the eyes

    Forum Netiquette
     
    1. Please do not post in all capital letters, bold, unusual fonts, sizes, colors or use unusually large emoticons. It can be difficult to read.
    https://forum.thaivisa.com/terms/

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  11. 23 minutes ago, david555 said:

    Fish not any more number 1 as Merkel has a more difficult thing for demand ...

    But first read this post i found on a Brexteers comment site 

     

    The UK fishermen need also to have access to the European market, and the European fishermen need to keep access to their fishing rights."

    UK fishermen currently sell 80 percent of their catch in Europe, meaning a no deal Brexit could also hurt those north of the English channel

     

    5 minutes ago, david555 said:

    Good luck in finding it in those 269 posts as no direct link possible to post 

    EU’s Common Fisheries Policy has become the 'most horrible swear word' in the fishing industry (telegraph.co.uk)

    I think most people know the Telegraph as a UK newspaper not as a "Brexteers comment site " as you described maybe it was a case that you were shy or ashamed about reading the telegraph but thanks for the link

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  12. 2 minutes ago, david555 said:

    Fish not any more number 1 as Merkel has a more difficult thing for demand ...

    But first read this post i found on a Brexteers comment site 

     

    The UK fishermen need also to have access to the European market, and the European fishermen need to keep access to their fishing rights."

    UK fishermen currently sell 80 percent of their catch in Europe, meaning a no deal Brexit could also hurt those north of the English channel

    My understanding of forum rules if you quote from another site you have to provide a link or your post will be removed

  13. 2 minutes ago, david555 said:

    As before taking of to Brussels diner . he made it look as an final ultimatum ..... again he had to change his tune and climbing down ... poor blundering Boris 

    Questions in H.O.C shall  waiting him ????

    No reason for Boris to climb down the Uk made a generous offer on Fishing to the EU, which the EU declined

    It seems the largest concern for French fishermen is

    Margolle said French fishing grounds would be overrun by boats from other European nations if access to British waters ended.

    “There will never be enough room for everyone,” he said “Fish stocks will be wiped out.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-fishing/french-fishermen-could-scuttle-brexit-trade-deal-and-their-livelihoods-idUSL8N2IP3MG

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  14. 7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

    Oppose to the Leavers who have the monopoly of the expression " Project Fear ".

    Or is it a Hard Brexiteers privilege ?

    Actually "Project Fear" background

    "Project Fear" is a term that has entered common usage in British politics in the 21st century, principally in relation to two major referendum debates: the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, and then again during and after the 2016 UK referendum on EU membership (Brexit).

    The phrase has been used to characterise unfounded claims of economic and socio-political dangers–primarily those that would result from a change to the existing political status quo–as scaremongering and pessimism.[1]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Fear#cite_note-7

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  15. 5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

     

    yeah

     

    do you think Boris understood that common market means common rules?

    It would appear France has problems following the rules 

    Infringement decisions 2640 records

    and when we compared that to the UK Infringement decisions 2233 records

    France wins more Infringement decisions against France compared to the UK

    https://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/infringements-proceedings/infringement_decisions/index.cfm?lang_code=EN&typeOfSearch=false&active_only=0&noncom=0&r_dossier=&decision_date_from=&decision_date_to=&EM=FR&title=&submit=Search

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  16. 3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

    Not me that suggested the UK could use allotments and back gradens to grow food post January...maybe you should talk to your fellow Brexiteer who brought it up as an idea.

     

    PH

     

    42 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

    Someone hacked your account and posted this did they?....

     

    There is over 300,000 allotments in the Uk Around 87 per cent of UK households have a garden and estimates suggest that private gardens cover an area about the size of one-fifth of Wales. so plenty of opportunity to grow their own...

    No mention of growing food post January that statement only exists in your head

    You should know that people have been growing food in their back gardens and allotments for years

  17. 14 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

    What percentage of those who voted leave, ever considered that we might end up having to use our back gardens to grow our own food?

     

    PH

    Maybe you should go and ask the 300,000+   allotments in the Uk  which way they voted in the 2016 EU referendum and also ask the 87% of UK householders the same question

    Its well known that Jeremy Corbyn has an allotment and grows food on his allotment

  18. 3 hours ago, Proboscis said:

    So the British are not going to eat? The Russians have a lot more opportunity to grow their own food and substitute for French products whereas the British do not. Sure, the French may sell less but the market will not disappear overnight.

     

    3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

    There is over 300,000 allotments in the Uk  

    Around 87 per cent of UK households have a garden and estimates suggest that private gardens cover an area about the size of one-fifth of Wales. so plenty of  opportunity to grow their own food

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/13/how-brexit-made-the-allotment-cool-again

     

    55 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

    So THAT was what you all voted for!  I had no idea all you wanted was to be able to grow your oewn food.  Not entirely sure how being innthe EU stopped you doing that before, but still.

     

    PH

     

    39 minutes ago, RayC said:

    Is this meant to be the UK version of the CAP post transition? 'Buy/ rent an allotment and grow your own'. Call me pernickety, but I had hoped for something more substantial.

    Your posts are idiotic and pointless as they have no bearing to the original post that implied that the British are incapable of growning their own food

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