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10 minutes ago, david555 said:
Here let me help you out about that norm , and when the cars have to be under it , and how long the under Euro norm 6 can still drive ...... (probably can still drive after but heavy taxed ..... as Tax money talks ???? )
euro 6d cars can still drive after January 1st 2020 cars that don't meet the euro 6d emissions can't be sold
From the beginning of January 2021, the Euro 6d emission standard will apply in the European Union. This means that the currently offered cars must find buyers by December 31, 2020, because after exceeding this figure, they will not be able – as a rule – to hit the market.
https://tekdeeps.com/dealers-in-poland-can-stay-with-several-thousand-unsold-cars-moto-tu-i-teraz/
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1 minute ago, david555 said:
Not under single market rules .... as " no deal rules the waves " ....???? for that it is the E.U.'s 0%
So the EU and the UK will still trade under wto rules
I read that in most EU countries they have millions of unsold cars that have to be sold by December 31st 2020 as they don't meet the new Euro 6d emissions standards that come into force January 1st 2021
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28 minutes ago, david555 said:
Probably 0% access for your fish on E.U. markets ....( start looking new recipes for fish as you have to eat them yourself mostly ....???? ). and 0% common market trade i guess
Does that mean the EU wouldn't be selling anything to the UK
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14 minutes ago, Hi from France said:
Yes AFAIK EU asks for 80% while the UK would accept to cede 30%
@vinny41
Now the really interesting question is: what did the UE propose to give in exchange for this fishing quota?
there are reports last week that state the UK offered 40% to the EU
Barnier said the UK demand for annual negotiations on catches could be conceded, but that there would have to be a means to put tariffs on certain stocks if access was denied to EU boats.
I wonder what is the view of French fisherman take 40% or gamble and end up with 0%
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1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:
It’s still a mistake and time will show.
In your opinion others think differently
each to their own
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12 minutes ago, Surelynot said:
A no deal outcome does little to address the concerns that led many fishers and coastal communities to vote for Brexit in the first place and, if anything, it could make things worse.
By Dr Christopher Huggins, University of Suffolk, and Drs Arno van der Zwet, John Connolly and Craig McAngus, University of the West of Scotland.
Here the link that you forgot to post
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-does-a-no-deal-brexit-look-like-for-fishing/
And a different group has a different view
Why ‘no deal’ is a good deal for the UK fishing industry
https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/why-no-deal-is-a-good-deal-for-the-uk-fishing-industry/
Norway and Faroe Islands
The UK government has signed continuity agreements with Norway (on 30 September) and with Faroe Islands (on 15 October) to allow UK fishermen to continue to access and catch fishing quotas in Norwegian and Faroese waters from 1 January 2021.
My understanding is Norwegian and Faroese fishing boats will still have access to Uk waters after January 2021 regardless of deal or no deal
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9 minutes ago, Hi from France said:
@vinny41by the way, do you know what the EU is offering in exchange for fishing in UK (Scottish mainly) waters?
It was recently reported that the EU would allow the UK to retain between 15-18% of their fish stock if the UK agreed to allow the EU 10 year unfettered access to the UK fishing grounds
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52 minutes ago, Surelynot said:
In the event of no deal the status quo remains re: fishing.....can't see wel'ard Brexiteers being happy with that.
Prepare your fisheries business for changes from 1 January 2021
Access to UK waters
Non-UK vessels, including EU or EEA registered vessels, will not be permitted to fish in UK waters, unless there is an access agreement and the vessels have the appropriate licence.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prepare-your-fisheries-business-for-changes-from-1-january-2021
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18 minutes ago, Phulublub said:
So it is Scottish and Irish Leave votrs who are to blame. Who would have thought? Should please the Little Englanders who can transfer their ill founded ire and hate for the EU to another group of "others". Not their fault, obviously.
I am a little confused though that if we were to discount the Scottish and Irish Leave voters, we should still count the Scottish and Irish Remain voters - who were rather larger in number.
PH
Who said they were to blame I merely pointed out that the leave majority was achieved through the combined Scottish and Northern Ireland voters without their leave votes the UK would still be in the EU
for Scotland remain votes were 1,661,191 leave was 1,018,322 difference of 642,869
for Northern Ireland remain votes were 440,707 and leave was 349,422 difference of 91,265
If it is your opinion that the Scottish and Irish Remain voters - who were rather larger in number. it can be stated that the Scottish and Irish Leave voters - were also rather large in number
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4 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:
It is unlikely that Scotland would have been forced to leave the EU as they were already a member of the EU already (Scottish citizens were EU citizens regardless) - it was just regional division of a state within the EU. The EU would have likely had a transitional period to which the EU and an independent Scotland would negotiate on a final status within the EU. The scare tactics (project fear) is often though the route that Nations take when confronted with such an issue (it works in the short-term but can be problematic in the long term). UK traffics in fear with regards to Scotland vs Scottish Nationalists are selling a dream...
EU made a statement
Independent Scotland would have to reapply to EU, NATO, officials say
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Scotland would have to reapply for membership of both the European Union and NATO if Scots vote to leave the United Kingdom in a referendum this month, officials said on Monday.
“If part of the territory of a member state would cease to be part of that state because it were to become a new independent state, the (EU) treaties would no longer apply to that territory,” Barroso said, meaning an independent Scotland would no longer be part of the EU.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-scotland-independence-eu-idUKKBN0H31FK20140908
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1 hour ago, sandyf said:
Therein lies the fundamental problem, is the UK a single entity or not?
Arguments both ways, but the rhetoric from Westminster indicates it is only a single entity when it suits.
In the run up to the Scottish referendum, David Cameron promised Scotland a voice at the EU table, should that now be forgotten.
Maybe time for the single entities to be identified once and for all.
Wishful thinking by the SNP
Cameron rejects giving Scotland veto in EU referendum
“We are one United Kingdom. There will be one in/out referendum (for the EU) and that will be decided on a majority of those who vote. That is how the rules should work,” Cameron told the Westminster-based UK parliament in response to Sturgeon’s proposal.
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42 minutes ago, sandyf said:Quite, the referendum bill meant brexit was always going to be an English decision.
No other country in the world holds a referendum across states without taking states into account, but then there is democracy and English democracy.
The Uk is leaving the EU is due to the Scotish and Northern Ireland voters that voted leave, without those votes the UK would still be in the EU
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26 minutes ago, sandyf said:
Therein lies the fundamental problem, is the UK a single entity or not?
Arguments both ways, but the rhetoric from Westminster indicates it is only a single entity when it suits.
In the run up to the Scottish referendum, David Cameron promised Scotland a voice at the EU table, should that now be forgotten.
Maybe time for the single entities to be identified once and for all.
Link please regarding David Cameron promised Scotland a voice at the EU table
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On 12/2/2020 at 7:25 PM, puipuitom said:
Therefore... do not make any agreement with Boris the Liar. Only a new referendum, with at least 75% of all British voters in favour for a new membership of the EU, no special rights anymore, accept the €uro, Schengen, and right lane traffic. And no new Brexit anymore the coming 100 years.
49 minutes ago, Hi from France said:I know a majority of the British voters regret Brexit, and that another 2016 referendum would not go the same way, but I do not know the current state of the opinion about a "rejoining", which is obviously very far away.
Anyone has data?
Cough cough
a reunified Ireland is likely, but 20 years away.
An independent Scotland is still a complicated and remote possibility.
If the requirements of joining the EU are the standard eu accession process plus Only a new referendum, with at least 75% of all voters in favour for a new membership of the EU, no special rights anymore, accept the €uro, Schengen, and right lane traffic
and a further requirement that for the 1st 20 years of membership the new member has to be a net contributor to the eu budget I think you will find some countries would no longer be interested in joining the eu
I think you will find that once Poland becomes an eu net contributor instead of an eu net beneficiaries there will be growing calls for Polexit
Polish Euro-enthusiasm is very shallow” as some 181 billion Euros have been transferred to Poland over last 16 years
This is where the Polish EU membership is after 16 years: Poland is half-in, half-out, and unsure if it wants to place the second feet inside
https://political-europe.com/2020/05/01/polexit-in-5-steps/
If anyone vists Turkey they will find very good roads, bridges brand new trains all funded by the eu taxpayer
EU financial assistance planned for Turkey from 2007 until 2020 through the Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance (IPA) amounts to over 9 billion euros
Does anyone in Europe know when they will received a return on their investment
Looking at the news its unlikely that Turkey will be joining the EU anytime in the near future
Erdogan expresses hope that France will 'get rid of Macron' as soon as possible
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1 hour ago, Hi from France said:
Last hours..
From this article, fishing is not the dealbreaker but LPF.
The Brits want to access our market without the contraints European nations have, while the EU does not accept that and wants to be able to hit back as soon as the British start cheating... A thing which is, alas, very likely to happen.
This article says different
EU Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, this week “wasn’t worried about anything else but fish”
10 years unfetted access to British waters is never going to fly
if fishing isn't the deal breaker agree fishing terms and that just leaves LPF
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15 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:
What??? The remainers are not reluctant to admit that they lost the vote!!! It’s pretty obvious to everyone that they lost the vote! That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a mistake, though!
Quite often the losing side think the result was a mistake on a number of issues ranging from a referee awarding a disputed penalty that resulted in the losing side losing the match.
In 1980 Labour were planning to take for the UK to quit the EU without a referendum just give the EU notice
1983: In their election manifesto, Labour, under leader Michael Foot, pledge to begin negotiations to withdraw from the EU "within the lifetime" of the following Parliament. Labour lose the election
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18 minutes ago, 7by7 said:It's not the EU who asked for an extension in October 2019 after promising a month previously that he would rather be dead in a ditch than do so!
We can walk away any time we want; so can the EU. But whilst the EU want a deal, we need one.
Have you forgotten that Boris was forced by law to seek an extension
The Benn Act – or the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019 – is an Act of Parliament that provided a statutory obligation for the government to prevent a no deal Brexit on 31 October 2019 by requiring in the Prime Minister to ask for an extension of Article 50. The only way this could be avoided was the House of Commons approving a motion on a withdrawal agreement agreed with the EU by 19 October 2019.
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Here the timeline for Campaigns for a European Union referendum
Since 2004 Labour, Lib dems and the Conservatives have being promising a referendum on EU membership
22 January 2013: In a long awaited speech Prime Minister David Cameron says that if the Conservatives win the next election they would seek to renegotiate the UK's relationship with the EU and then give the British people the "simple choice" in 2017 between staying in the EU under those terms or leaving the EU.
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41 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
Whereas you have used them to support your viewpoint.
Rather you have used 10 year old ones to try and prove what people think now!
So go on; show us a current poll with a result that shows the majority of British respondents are in favour of Brexit.
Or will you admit you can't find one?
As we both know polls can be skewed depending on how the question is phrased and its pointless asking the question about remaining in the eu as that is no longer an option since the UK left 31st January 2020
so for the dates between Field work dates: 4 February 2020 - 9 November 2020
The question was asked
Should the United Kingdom join the European Union or stay out of the European Union?
As we can see from the results here for join ranges from 31% to 37% and the ranges for stay out are from 33% to 39% with the don't knows ranges from 28% to 31%
so a small margin in favour of staying out over the past 4 months vs rejoining
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36 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
Yes, many people, not just those you mention, did support appeasement; for the same reason previously mentioned for Chamberlain. To try and avoid the horrors of total war which wiped out almost an entire generation of European young men just two decades previously.
But to compare that to being pro EU is a sign of the utmost desperation.
No sign of desperation from my part merely an observation
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18 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
I posted results of a poll taken just one month after the referendum.
I have posted a poll from YouGov; a company much favoured by Brexiteers until their results started showing that, having discovered the truth, most respondents were becoming disillusioned with Brexit and if offered the opportunity would now vote to Remain!
Which that poll, which gives results from February 2012 to October 2020, clearly shows.
But, of course, I am talking about now; not 2016, not 2012, not 2010.
So go on; produce a poll from now which shows that the majority still support Leave.
Pointless as you have already stated you don't believe in polls
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11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
No.
Who do you think Chamberlain was appeasing if not Hitler and his Nazi party?
If you look at the groups that supported Appeasement and the groups that are staunch Pro EU you will see they are similar
Appeasement was strongly supported by the British upper class, including royalty, big business (based in the City of London), the House of Lords, and media such as the BBC and The Times
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24 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
When in doubt, bring up the Nazis!
Chamberlain was wrong; for the right reasons. He wanted to avoid the carnage a whole generation had suffered in the trenches of the Great War. He failed in this because he underestimated Hitler's true aims.
For arguments for and against, see Was Chamberlain Right to Appease Hitler?
At the end of the second war, Western European countries wanted to avoid such devastation again. This led to the formation of, among other organisations, the European Coal and Steel Community. "The ECSC was the first international organisation to be based on the principles of supranationalism and started the process of formal integration which ultimately led to the European Union." (Source)
are you saying that these British groups of people were all Nazis's
Appeasement was strongly supported by the British upper class, including royalty, big business (based in the City of London), the House of Lords, and media such as the BBC and The Times
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35 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
I'm a Brit, and I, too, like many of my fellow countrymen believe that the 2016 decision was the wrong one.
Even as early as July 2016, many who voted Leave had started to think the same as the true effects of Brexit and the post referendum U-turns by Vote.Leave became apparent: Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result
Though to be fair, it also says
If there was a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, how would you vote?
Note how ever since the actual referendum, Remain has been ahead in nearly all the polls. In the latest, 19/10/20,
- Remain 46%
- Leave40%,
- Don't know 8%
- Would not vote 6% .
I would have thought by now you would have given up on this topic as we both know that polls always come out in favour of the sponsor and therefore are not reliable or should i repost the polls that go back to 2010 where the majority of people that answered the polls voted for leave
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Britain in 'final throw of the dice' as EU trade talks set to restart
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it doesn't appear to be a big deal
But this is not to be confused with critical dependency. The UK relies on this source of power because it is marginally cheaper most of the time, not because it lacks alternatives.
The National Grid says it has the back-up capacity to handle any crisis that arises. “In the highly unlikely event of no interconnector flows between Great Britain and continental Europe we have the tools and capabilities to ensure security of supply,” it said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/13/eu-hints-brexit-energy-blockade-power-blackouts-hollow-threat/