vinny41

4 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

first @vinny41 we need to be careful with %; it's a hell more complicated : there are different locations, different species, the fact that fish population change and their location too makes it very complicated.

 

nonetheless what I understand is Barnier offered to return around 25 percent of the current EU fishing catch in British waters to the UK. While that was originally 15%.

 

It probably means the EU keeps the lion's share of the catches (like 75% ?), but even then the UK will be responsible for putting plenty of fishermen out of business.

 

• This will cause a lot of resentment against the UK. The same coastal communities are the ones who work day-to-day with English and Scottish fishermen.
• So the sons and families you ruin are the custom officers who will be responsible for the new border, they are the cops patrolling the beaches against immigrants, they are also the guys buying british fish and then selling it to the rest of the EU.

 

 

 

You do not need divining skill to know that some of these small fishermen "boats under ten meters" will be forced to come into british waters, were they will be met by british gunboats and we'll get another series of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

 

so in the future there will be a lots of tensions and sanctions and counter sanctions. And the present deal will end in seven years;

 

So if the fish wars are avoided, in seven years this brexit circus will start all over again

 

 

What do you think?

 

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I think the number that the EU should be starting with is 5X to get an agreement with the UK

it would appear that the EU is not ready for Brexit, You would have thought that EU fisherman knowing for the past 4 years that you can't have the same access outside the EU club would have sought out alternative places to fish. France has the largest eez zone in the world.

Personally I favour sealed bids where both sides submit their best offer and if both offers are within a 10% margin they should continue talking if either of the sealed bids are more than 10% apart they should simply walk way

I think both Barnier and Frost are skilled negotiators so they both know the contents of both sealed bids without opening them

24 minutes ago, david555 said:

you made the reference .

Once again I ask you to repost where I stated  some of your fellow countryman were busy rounding up the jews for payment Henneike Column and taking Jewish property

If you are unable to repost and we both know you can't thats means you are incorrect 

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

You said that already once , it happened all over occupied Europe ....,  call yourself lucky that your wars are always fought not on your territory  (appart from air raid  bombings) 

 

This remark shows how a little man you are  , blaming a whole peoples for actions from few ..... there is bin taking proper actions on those by the liberations  ..... executions after court martial ....

 

Please repost where I said anything about the  some of your fellow countryman were busy rounding up the jews for payment Henneike Column and taking Jewish property

Because I know I didn't and therefore you telling porkie pies

Also please know that I posted some of your fellow countryman not whole people as you have stated

On 12/18/2020 at 1:30 PM, spidermike007 said:

Total nonsense. Any program requiring quarantine will attract at most, 50,000 tourists per year. The $100 billion (yes, about 3.3 trillion baht!) Thailand takes in from tourism annually reverberates out in countless ways. Countless business employing many. To say it is insignificant, is a blatant misunderstanding of Thai economics. Thousands of hotels, restaurants, countless airlines and many tour companies, also benefit. Sorry to inform you, Prayuth. But when you run a nation built upon a foundation that only protects the elite, the super wealthy, those that are well connected, those in power, and a spectacularly corrupt army, and then you reach out to nations that observe the rules of law and order for help, you get ignored, scorned, and ridiculed. Nobody is listening to you these days, much less Interpol. You are NOT a serious man. 90% of Thailand knows this, and most of the world does too. 6 years has proven that time and time again.

This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. Millions will remain out of work, possibly for years to come. And they are assuming when they finally do open up, the tourists will come flooding in. The old TCU (Thailand is the center of the universe) mentality. Not so. The longer they wait, the harder it will be to get them back. 20 million at most, during our lifetimes. If they are fortunate. That means thousands of hotels will go under. It will have a minor effect on some very wealthy people. But, who will carry the burden of most of this? The common man.

The authorities should be begging the tourists that are here to stay. And others to come. Free, unlimited visas, 10,000 baht hotel vouchers, and free meals. An immigration officer will come to your hotel to renew your visa, to show our appreciation, of your continued support. Half price air tickets for domestic travel. Princely treatment. Thank you so much for helping to rescue our economy and our people. Are these nitwits even capable of learning and evolving? It would appear not. A truly regressive administration.

What can one say? Desperation is setting in. Heads are going to roll. Just returned from Samui. Utter devastation. 90% of the businesses on the beach road were closed, and hundreds of hotels are closed and for sale, at half price. Trillions of baht are going to be lost here. Annually. Tourism will NEVER recover. Not in our lifetimes. Too much timidity. Too much cowardice. Too little juice and creativity. Such small minds.

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists. First they need to figure out a way to attract tourism, WITHOUT quarantine. That is fairly simple. A very reliable lab based test in the home nation, with test results before you board the plane. Then a simple antigen test at the airport. It takes 15 minutes for results. Sure, Thailand would have to invest in the test kits. Some general would have to be willing to part with a few million dollars. Each test itself, only cost $5 with the new Abbott test, which is available now.

Then they could get on to reform. Sacrifices need to be made. I do not hear ANY discussion about what sacrifices Thailand is willing to make, to get the tourists, and that multi trillion baht cash cow back.
 

These are the countries most reliant on your tourism dollars

Thailand comes in at 21st with  9.82% GDP ( this is international tourism figure with is seperate from domestic tourism)

Source is World Bank

https://qz.com/1724042/the-countries-most-reliant-on-tourism-for-gdp/

This article talks about European  Holidaymakers to blame for Covid 2nd wave and subsequent lockdowns all over Europe

European holidaymakers to blame for COVID second wave, says health expert

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/28/european-holidaymakers-to-blame-for-covid-second-wave-says-health-expert

There are question marks over how accurate and reliable these rapid tests are

1) They aren't meant to be given to everyone only for symptomatic people

How accurate are rapid COVID-19 tests?

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/health-care/how-accurate-are-rapid-covid-19-tests.html

Why Trump’s Rapid-Testing Plan Worries Scientists

Experts were already divided on the right way to deploy new coronavirus tests. Then the White House barged ahead.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/10/do-rapid-antigen-tests-have-accuracy-problem/616681/

52 minutes ago, david555 said:

Yes....Resistance organizing ...example trying to get shot down RAF  personals in safety . And trying getting them to unoccupied Spain as an example ....so they could  reach England again ...

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And some of your fellow countryman were busy rounding up the jews for payment Henneike Column

and taking Jewish property

http://erijswijk.blogspot.com/2011/07/henneicke-column.html

It seems that Ireland grows the wrong type of  Potatoes for chips as the Irish  Potatoes are high in sugar content and not good for frying

Irish fear loss of British potatoes post Brexit

UK spuds ideal for chipping and deep-frying face import ban when transition ends January 1.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-potatoes-ireland-fear-loss/

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

The big difference is the weather.  Thetis no winter here this cutting down on body rust. I do agree though that while buying new is a good thing you will lose 25% of value driving it off the lot

 

I have seen mutiple reports of rust on cars in Thailand so rust is still an issue some models were more prone to rust than others

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Scotland is not ready for Brexit, the UK is not ready for Brexit either 

 

this is the report https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/366/committee-on-the-future-relationship-with-the-european-union/news/138023/concerns-remain-as-the-uk-prepares-for-new-arrangements-from-1-january-warns-committee/

 

 

And it would appear that the EU is not ready for Brexit, You would have thought that EU fisherman knowing for the past 4 years that you can't have the same access outside the EU club would have sought out alternative places to fish. France has the largest eez zone in the world.

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

Confusion ???? !..... about which Ireland you referring to as our E.U. member Ireland has no problems in any way for exporting to E.U. as it is not a third country ....

Its the Republic of Ireland which is an EU member but their irish Farmers Association wants exports to the EU to be suspended

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

ONLY in the British press. In the EU hardly a word, as is just a 0,1% of GDP of the "Northsee" & Atlantic" countries . The REAL stakes are in the "make" industry and the financial services of the City of London ( 6.9 %). When all €uro-transactions have to be under control of the EU = ECB, it is quickly over with the City.

There is plenty of European media doing daily reports on Brexit fishing for French reports you need to search pêche au Brexit

Pointless providing links here as the forum removes any links that aren't in English

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Of course trade will continue, only WITH customs check, WITH veterinary control, WITH specific certifications, with WTO-third country import duty. And all these things cause delay and price increase.

 

The UK’s largest beef, lamb, pork and chicken processors have warned that if Brexit preparedness efforts aren’t accelerated, trade volumes of products of animal origin could drop 50-75%.... Read more

It seems Ireland wants to stop all beef imports into the EU in the event of brexit no deal

Mr Cullinan told the Oireachtas Agriculture Committee that he would be very concerned that the UK could do a deal in beef imports with a third country in the event of a no-deal.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1208/1183180-beef-import/

17 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I think the EU will just camp there and wait, hoping that negative of fishing are so small compared to the benefits of a deal that Boris will have to cave.

 

Now the ERG could cause trouble

 

and it would be like when Theresa May was PM all over again

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/20/conservative-mps-threaten-rebellion-on-brexit-deal

 

*sight*

 

I think we can be optimistic the will be a deal : unlikely tonight, probably before 31/12 with provisional application certainly in January

 

 

but then

• will this deal be vetoed by one or more EU nation?
• Will it pass the EU parliament?
• And on the UK side, will it bring back a degree of peace?

Good Luck with that I think the EU will be in for a long wait

This report highlights that the EU is next to useless when it comes to management of fish stock

EU set to miss targets on sustainability after agreeing fishing quotas

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/17/eu-set-to-miss-targets-on-sustainability-after-agreeing-fishing-quotas

I suspect at some point there will be a deal but not on EU current t&c

8 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

the problem with this nationalist scenarios is they simply cannot happen. The tabloid of @Pattaya Spotter might say "let's just leave" sorry LETS JUST LEAVE but, capitals or not, that's cannot happen even with UKIP.

 

apparently Barnier has been too generous with 25%, even the Irish would veto

 

 

 

Anyway given the "rapport de force", the EU just has to wait and to let the current government deal with recession, covid, traffic jams, layoffs for a while.. given the career of Boris Johnson there is no problem here; It can be disastrous for the country as long as Boris can spin it and look good.

 

 

in the the CER end of year podcast: Reflecting on 2020 I think it's Christian Odendahl who compared the process of leaving the EU to the process of entering the EU.

 

There are a series of conditions, they are very predictable and laid out in advance and you have a choice : if you are compliant, you get the deal. If you are not compliant, you wait at the door.

 

 

apparently the EU exit door looks like the front door

 

 

as we see it now, the EU red lines laid out in 2016 did not move.

 

If anything, the EU is predictable.

 

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In my book 40% for EU fishing  is better than nothing , Boris has already told the EU 25% is unacceptable

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

You can convince, for a very short time, the man in the street, that decisions are make out of principles, but may influence negatively his wellness. 

You can't use that on and on. He won't buy it. 

 

The rest of your post is irrelevant. 

 

However I am agree there were good/brave people, but also others, during the occupation of Belgium. 

It was the case in many occupied countries. 

 

 

 

No the rest of my post is relevant some of your fellow countryman collaborated with the Nazis for "economic reasons" and I am sure some of your fellow countryman would do exactly the same today for "economic reasons"

53 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

Why is Boris still negotiating? that's the real question hard core Brexiteers should ask themselves

 

we all know he will do a 180 on Dec 31st at 10:59pm GMT

 £39 billion reasons 

Michel Barnier concedes that payment of £39 billion Brexit bill could guarantee UK-EU trade deal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/07/michel-barnier-concedes-brexit-bill-could-linked-uk-eu-trade/

8 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

So if the E.U. gives in about this fish thing, the U.K. will considered it as a triumph. 

 

As it represents economical nothing, they should better do, and ask something really valuable/profitable for everyone in the E.U., in lieu of. 

For some people its all about money and nothing else, for other people its about principle and doing what they believe is right

If we look at the History of your own country identifying and assisting the Nazis if rounding up and deporting the jews some people in your country considered it 

The report "Docile Belgium," commissioned by the Belgian parliament, said the state collaborated with the Nazis for "economic, as well as ideological and legal-administrative" reasons

It should be said that Many Belgians tried to save Jewish people but other Belgians looked at primarly from an economic point of view or maybe they thought they would gain brownie points from the Nazis

https://www.dw.com/en/report-belgium-collaborated-with-nazis-in-deporting-jews/a-2351064

45 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

any deal yet? or are we getting a new extension ? ????

France wan'ts to carry on talking

Brexit trade talks may continue after MEPs' deadline, says France

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/19/brexit-trade-talks-may-continue-after-meps-deadline-says-france

17 hours ago, Susco said:

 

I think you misunderstood his question.

 

He didn't ask for companies that export to the EU and have EXIted BRitain

10 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

So to cut the story short, it is obvious now that you are NOT fluent in English, maybe you are an English import?

 

Because this is what I said

 

He didn't ask for companies that export to the EU and have EXIted BRitain

 

Did I say ALL these companies have exited? I don't think so.

 

By the way, sarcasm is seemingly also not your strongest gift, similar to most leavers.

Your post implied that you were referring to all companies in the op's posts if you wanted to highlight that your post only meant (Dyson and  (Ineos) you should have made a reference to those companies only which clearly you didn't 

Just now, Susco said:

 

I thought you were a Brit, and were fluent in the English language, so I assumed you could read exactly the same as I do

 

James Dyson (Dyson) Moved to Singapore

 

Sir Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos) Moving car production to France

As I suspect Telling porky pies 

Sir Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos)  never had car production in the UK,  but was offered a purpose built car factory which  was built for  450 million euros in 1998  and I suspect going for a song as  Daimler  was going to spend three-digit million euro amount for the restructuring/dismantling in Hambach

meanwhile Ineos which has locations all over the world still has 13 locations in the UK( its diffcult to relocated to oil and gas platforms)

https://www.ineos.com/locations/

And seems while James Dyson has moved overseas his company still has a presence in the UK and is expanding

Dyson reveals £2.75bn investment in robotics and artificial intelligence as it plans to double its product range

Company will grow research on Wiltshire campus in 'new chapter in Dyson's development'

Dyson employs some 4,000 people in Wiltshire working on new technologies and new products.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/dyson-reveals-275bn-investment-robotics-19354180

And in your post you stated that these companies have EXIted BRitain

Dame Helena Morrissey (Legal & General)

Anthony Bamford (JCB)

Tim Martin (Wetherspoon) 

Simon Wolfson (Next)

Richard Tice (Quidnet) 

Clearly they haven't so in summary your entire  post was a factual incorrect and misleading

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Like to see a drone cut up a trawler...

Drones are capable of  producing images and relay those images back 

If you are interested in buying fish related products after January 1st can I suggest Gardein Golden Fishless Filets

100% free of fish

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Each ship having to cover 20,000 sq miles..........pfft.

They do have more than 4 ships you know

7 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

They wanted to regain their sovereignty but now find themselves hostages to the goodwill of the French, Belgians and Dutch for their vital supplies.

The old story of the watered sprinkler that's starting to cost me dearly in popcorn.

Dear English friends, you must now learn to ask and ask again, without forgetting to politely add please to each request.

I write English conscientiously because without doubt the other nations that make up UK will want quikly to free themselves from the Westminster mafia and its unelected bureaucrats.

And then you woke up and found that you were dreaming