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On 1/24/2024 at 6:46 PM, retarius said:

Honestly we need to grow up a bit. My guess is that Pita is like every other politician...a self serving liar....yes he's new and fresh like Thaksin was in 2000 or whenever. Young people don't know that power corrupts everybody and as soon as Pita gets power he will do a 180. It is the law of people and politics.

Total rubbish, no facts, no supporting evidence, yawn.

3 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Mmmm!

I have a very good friend who's has had PR for 20+ years, currently working in Lao.

Each year he confirms his address at the local Immigration office, although this may no longer be enforced, it's just habit for him, but every 10 years he has to replace his 'red' book.

 

Different courses for different horses?

Does he 'confirm his address...'or does he get a new exit / re-entry permit every year? (new exit / re-entry stamp is not an annual official requirement but most PR holders who travel abroad frequently get a multiple entry exit / re-entry permit every year.

The multiple entry exit / re-entry stamp has a life of one year then it lapses. Bu there is no regulation to say it must be immediately renewed. Renewal is at the discretion of the PR holder.  

By the way the Thai police is one agency which keeps records of where PR holders are living, through the RED police registration book which must be updated every 5 years (updated means new photo and if needed update the residential address of the PR holder). This is separate to the immigration bureau records. The RED police book is NOT an official record of holding PR.

Records of residential address / changes of residential address is also handled using the Tabien Baan book process which is handled by / the responsibility of the Amphur office system (administered by the Interior Ministry). The Tabien Baan book or it's ultimate database is NOT intended to be an official record of who holds PR. 

Just now, Liquorice said:

I'll stand corrected, it was some time ago he explained it.
It may well be every 5 years, although I'm sure he stated 10.

I reconfirm, must updated every 5 years at the police station where the specific foreigners file is held. Mine is at the big Police Centre in the old city in Chiang Mai. Previously at the big police center at Banglamung (chonburi).

Just now, PJ71 said:

Hold on, hold on......we have a 'red book' too? 

 

The plot thickens, does this trump the yellow book and pink ID card?

Yes for PR holders (only). Read further in this thread and be informed.

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

1. I have never in 27 years confirmed my address or any other detail to an immigration office, except when my C of R book has been full (full of outward / inward passport stamps) and therefore needed to be replaced. I've replaced my C of R book 3 times, every time at immigration (CW) they asked 'has any personal detail changed?' No further process.

 

This was raised before and it was confirmed there is no annual reporting requirement.

 

The RED book is a police registration book (not an immigration process), purpose being  for PR holders to give the local police notification of their residential address, it's not an immigration book / matter.

 

The RED police registration book must be updated every 5 years (updated means: new photo and update (if needed) of residential address). This book is not 'replaced' every 10 years.

 

What are you confused about, please share and someone will explain to you in simple words.

2 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Mmmm!

I have a very good friend who's has had PR for 20+ years, currently working in Lao.

Each year he confirms his address at the local Immigration office, although this may longer be enforced, it's just habit for him, but every 10 years he has to replace his 'red' book.

 

Different courses for different horses?

1. I have never in 27 years confirmed my address or any other detail to an immigration office, except when my C of R book has been full (full of outward / inward passport stamps) and therefore needed to be replaced. I've replaced my C of R book 3 times, every time at immigration (CW) they asked 'has any personal detail changed?' No further process.

This was raised before and it was confirmed there is no annual reporting requirement.

The RED book is a police registration book (not an immigration process), purpose being  for PR holders to give the local police notification of their residential address, it's not an immigration book / matter.

The RED police registration book must be updated every 5 years (updated means: new photo and update (if needed) of residential address). This book is not 'replaced' every 10 years.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

100% Agree...   no idea what he's written though as he's one of just two users I have on my ignore list after lacking the intelligence to ever post anything of any intelligence, usually abusive....     an utter womble. 

He's now also on my ignore list.

7 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

Did your wife break out the special red panties when you got the much coveted 'yellow book' and 'pink ID card' or are they kept for special occasions like visa extensions and the likes?

Members who post comments like the final paragraph above should be banned for life. 

6 hours ago, transam said:

Yes, isn't strange that a bloke asks for advice then odd-balls come out of the woodwork to post cr@p, to put off members from asking questions....🤔

 

In this case, most of us with a yellow book have found it useful, plus very little effort to get one......🤗

 

 

 

".... never felt the need for one".  I have loud old American living near me. He loves to cause arguments.

He heard about the yellow Tabien Baan book and the pink ID card. He took his Thai wife (speaks perfect English) to the local quite big Immigration office to possibly get both items.

As per usual he yelled abuse at the immigration officer (IO) asking why the IO could not speak English and threw his US passport at another IO.

Wife walked out of the immigration office and caught a taxi home. And she now refuses to accompany him anywhere re official documents or buying anything.

He continues to NOT have a yellow book and NOT have a pink ID card. 

And of course both of these items are not issued by Thai Immigration but I'm told that the American insisted they go to the immigration office..

5 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Correct.

 

Slightly off-topic, but the Thai definition of 'lifetime permanent residency' is IMO somewhat misleading, as if you leave the Country, you still require a re-entry permit to keep your 'permanent residency' status valid. Submit annual reports to Immigration and renew every 10 years.

Some points not quite true:

1 - It's commonly called Permanent Residence (PR) (including by immigration officers) however the correct official wording is 'Certificate of Residence'. And yes the term can be confused, there's also a letter issued by the Thai Immigration Bureau with the same title 'Certificate of Residence' used to get a Thai driving license. The letter states the address of the foreigner, nothing more. This is not the same as the small book issued to PR holders called 'Certificate of Residence', which is proof of lifetime Certificate of Residence / lifetime PR. The small PR / Certificate of Residence book does NOT have an expiry date. 

Yes you do need an exit / re-entry stamp if you do leave thailand and you have lifetime PR. Not the end of the world, and not difficult to get the stamp, and while on this point, the exit / re-entry stamp is a simple administrative exercise, there is no interview or re-consideration of the actual PR status.

2 - PR holders are NOT required to report* to the Thai immigration Bureau every year:

           * Not personally

           * Not in writing

           * Not by any official immigration form (no such form exists).

3 - PR is issued for lifetime, there is no 10 year renewal. There is no renewal ever.

4 - PR automatically cancels on the death of the holder. 

Re items 2 and 3 above - I've had Thai lifetime PR for 27 years, I have never done an annual report nor actioned a renewal of my PR status because both are NOT required - in fact there is no such process.  

On 4/20/2024 at 8:56 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Correct...   So they were experienced...    She [the Amphur Officer] seemed extremely fastidious which may have made her slower, and of course, I have no frame of reference as to how quick the process should be as that was the first and only time I've been through the process.... Although she took a shine to my Mother In Law (who was our Witness) and they were having a little chat through the process. 

 

It would be interesting for new people about to go through the process to know how long it's taken for others.

- Yellow Book: about 2 hours) / Pink ID: about 10 mins

 

 

- And the slowest part was getting the Translation of the Embassy Verified Copy of my Passport approved by the MFA, which had been carried out a couple of weeks before hand. 

 

 

 

 Just to clarify, foreigners with lifetime permanent residence are recorded in the standard dark blue covered Tabien Baan book for the place where they reside (not in a yellow covered book).

4 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Usually prefixed with the number '6'.

 

 

It was the issue number I referred to, which is displayed under your photo.

 

One other point, my ID number starts with 8, I was told this number indicates a foreigner with lifetime permanent residence. 

47 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

''Multilingual signage and information brochures: Providing clear instructions and information about hospital procedures in multiple languages, including Russian, can help manage patient expectations and avoid misunderstandings."

 

One loaded precedent...

How many languages, how many procedures?

 

Oh yes, the procedure about giving your name at the reception, getting a cue number, and waiting for your turn.

All these confusing steps that people of different culture and language seem to understand by intuition....

I've seen kiosks in other countries where a person can key in their question in their own language and request an answer in a specific language and in one case (in China) the question and the answer also appeared on screen in Chinese characters. And there was a button to get a print out of all the languages involved in that query. 

In reality just basic translation work and no brainer printing.

Many / most translation providers (e.g. Google) nowadays include translations for all / 99% of the languages across the whole world. 

On 4/20/2024 at 8:15 PM, Liquorice said:

That sounds as though they were inexperienced with the process, hence the initial resistance and the time taken.

We visited the Amphoe with no appointment. Templates on the computer, no different from printing a Blue house book.

Address details then personal details, book in the printer, flip the page and print again, took no more than 20 minutes, then down the other end of the room, photo, thumbprint, and ID card printed, another 10 minutes.

 

Underneath the photo on your pink ID card, you'll have two numbers

The first number identifies the Province and the Amphoe.
The second number identifies the issue number, for example mine is 0000000004, meaning I was the 4th foreigner to be issued a pink ID card from that Amphoe.

 

That was 11 years ago, when the bureaucratic process was much easier than now.

The ID number is constructed same as for Thai people  x   xxxx   xxxxx   xx   x

23 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That applies to far too many people suffering from any LONG term illness, not just COVID!

Maybe so, but the real point is the enormous numbers of folks who caught Covid- 19 and in a fairly short timespan died.

On 8/22/2023 at 11:12 AM, stoner said:

i think we can all agree that thai or foreigner it matters not. child trafficking is vile. 

Agree child trafficking is vile.

Let's not forget the enormity / frequency of family incest in all countries, just as vile.

I have 2 university colleagues / researchers (Thailand and Australia) who have pent many years researching this activity.

Amongst many comments both have mentioned 'the public has no idea of the enormity / regularity of incest inside families, in sociology terms often classified as:

- Mothers and daughters, mothers and sons (in both cases daughters and sons well underage and well above legal age)

- Fathers and daughters, fathers and sons (in both cases daughters and sons well underage and well above legal age).

- Uncles ....

- Brothers and sisters in all the under / above age profiles. Brothers all age profiles.

- Brothers and sister required to perform all the various types of sexual activity whilst parents watched. Brothers required to perform same as above.

and more... 

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Nearly a million Americans died from Covid- 19, trump, because of his ignorance and deadly stubbornness and his less than adult claims and comments and his way way less than adult thinking about how to cure covid- 19 was responsible for about 95% of the deaths.

Further, just wondering how many poor Americans ended up in hospital with Covid- 19, accumulated hospital bills in the thousands / tens of thousands of $s, then died.

Now their families still trying to clear these huge debts? All because the ignorant idiot trump and his GOPS goons refused to cover costs of medications, buy extra ventilators etc., and the clown made comments about 'drink bleach, that will cure it'. And at the same time to her face on TV the clown abused / intimidated highly qualified and respected expert doctors.  

Then we have jokers here in his thread trying to say trump gets blamed for everything and it's not fair.

Wow. 

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

People have known for ages what they are... what confuses me is why do they continue to put up with it?

-Fear? Even fear of violence.

-Need the handout for family to survive, so that kids have schoolbooks...

12 hours ago, Soondae said:

A Swift transfer from U.S. bank is a flat rate of $45, WISE will charge you much more than that. Do not allow the INTNL Bank to perform the exchange to baht as you will lose out big time. Have them send in your native currency and let the Thai bank do the exchange at the current rates, you'll save a lot of money that way. And as another has stated this is a garuntee for FET transfer of funds proof.

 from above...

-  from USA SWIFT standard flat rate US$45.

-  from Aust. SWIFT standard flat rate AUD$15. 

On 4/16/2024 at 7:42 AM, JonnyF said:

The trouble is they have nobody to replace him with. The number 2 is Kamala Harris. Let that sink in. Kamala Harris.

 

Joe and Kamala are the top 2 talents in the Dems.😃

I don't believe that and I doubt your post/comment is honest.

16 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

How about a bit of sympathy for a man clearly suffering from mental health issues?

 

How about some anger and punishment for trump, the lying divisive idiot who generated this mands total delusion?

 

 

Are you that far down the rabbit hole that you find this stuff amusing?

8 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Why not simply state it as you did, without a hyphen in between.

 

It's still factually incorrect.
All Thais must be registered in a Blue house book, but they don't necessarily reside there.
The registration of all Thais in a Blue book serve as an ongoing 'population census' for the government.

Yes, multi functional...

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Personally, I would not waste my time with a woman as old as I.

For me, the perfect age is either 42 or 24, depending on my mood.

 

I like to look at 24's. But, I like to talk to 42's.

 

Any older than 42, and women become too saggy and baggy for me to wish to start up with them some sort of unconventional new relationship.

 

For me, the best option, and I have thought about this often, would be this:

 

a. I move to a new place with twice as much land as I now have.

b. I move into the big house.

c. I build a prefab type bungalow on the opposite side of my property, something comfortable but not too big.

d. Then, I just install an intercom system between the big house and the slave quarters, and I bet I will have it made in the shade.

e. I don't like to share time with a partner when I would prefer to be alone.

f. I could just buzz her if I felt like having a game of Chinese chess, or a cup of tea, or a massage, or almost anything.

 

This would be the perfect setup for me....A "big house" with slave quarters on the same property.

 

I am confident that I would be able to easily find a few 42's to occupy the bungalow.

But, I also think that setting this up might just be too much trouble for me, at present.

 

  

Sick...