RayC

Yes where would we be without Brexit. 8+ years since voting to leave and approaching 5 years since we formally left, we're reaping all the promised benefits: Free trade deals in abundance, UK firms conquering the world, all that unnecessary EU legislation piled on the bonfire, our universities thriving, our newly formed research establishments - free from EU bureaucracy - are leading the world ... oh ....

And neither are the overwhelming majority of other nations potentially facing Trump's tariffs. But when have facts mattered to some posters in this thread?

Who precisely is this meant to be directed towards? Which post(s) in this thread display this "thinly disguised smug attitude towards his release"?

Unless you can somehow demonstrate how China has shaped Putin's attitude to Ukraine then the relationship between China and Russia is irrelevant to the discussion in this thread.

This thread is effectively about what can be done under current UK legislation to prevent this odious individual planning/ carrying out more terrorist activities. I don't see anyone on 'The Left' defending terrorism here.

What about it? China is tangential at best to any discussion about Putin's attitude to Ukraine.

Phillips should adhere to the timescales set by parliament, but do you have any evidence to suggest that this is any more than another late-filing misdemeanor?

Again, I agree with your sentiments but, in the short term at least, I'm not sure what the Justice Secretary can do other than order (increased) surveillance? Any change to the laws would require parliamentary approval. Given what the article says, it seems very unlikely that this individual will mend his ways. It may seem a bizarre thing to suggest but, perhaps, the best we can hope for in this case is that he is caught planning another terrorist incident at an early stage before any damage is - or will be - done. In that way, he can then be put behind bars again.

I'm pleased that you have decided to call an end to your claim that I am gaslighting. Thank you. Just a shame that you felt the need to post the false allegation in the first place. You have a great day as well.

Ahh gaslighting definition #1: "Psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence ..." So what shall we settle on? Gaslighting claim #5 or #8? I'm easy. You choose. This thread is about free speech, Jonny, but you are the one who introduced a racial element into the discussion, so why be surprised when those who disagree with your contention offer counter-examples to your claims? From page 3 of this thread (recognise the words?): "Just pay your taxes and shut up. Or jail awaits (but only if you're white working class of course)" I've got more but that's enough for now.

I agree with your sentiments but until the law is changed what choice was there other than to release him?

Agreed I would imagine that surveillance of suspects requires a specialised set of skills which not all officers possess. Therefore, transferring officers to the surveillance units might not be as easy as you suggest. Naughty, naughty Jonny☹️. As you well know I have replied numerous times to you about your gaslighting in the appropriate thread.

As do I. https://www.statista.com/statistics/284677/police-stop-and-searches-in-england-and-wales-by-ethnicity/ Accusation of gaslighting #5 in this thread alone. You are doing an excellent job of making yourself look like someone gaslighting https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting

Then that will require a change to the law as the article clearly states. Until such time as that occurs there is no alternative but to release him. Sigh ..... Some might call this gaslighting.

You keep calling out a lot of things that don't exist; my gaslighting is just one example.

Ahh .... Gaslighting Part 4. This one's got legs

😂 If you really believe that nonsense, Jonny, then I'd keep looking behind.

Presumably this is the NYT article to which Sputnik is refering (and distorting)? The paper described by the NYT does not remotely resemble a proposed, initialised agreement. It is more akin to 'Notes of a meeting', which illustrate areas of fundamental major disagreement. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

Got a link for that?

Of course they threw the evidence out of the car when they were out of sight. What other explanation could there be for anyone driving away hurriedly when they knew that they were being followed by an unmarked van?🤦 We white people in the UK do have it hard. Unlike non-whites we can't play the race card. Funnily enough, during all the millions of encounters that I've had in the UK over the years - whatever the situation, whatever the profession/ personal circumstances of the individuals I've interacted with - I've never personally experienced any anti-white discrimination anywhere in the UK. I guess that I must be the lucky exception.

As Dos Santos stated, and as is clear from the video, the cars parked on the left-hand side of the street make it impossible not to cross the central line. There was no indication that the van was a police van when Dos Santos realised he was being followed. The video also shows that Dos Santos' car was out of sight when the lights on the police van were switched on and he pulled over at the next junction. How can you know that the couple's colour could not be seen from the police's first vantage point?

If they had something to hide then they did a very good job of concealing the evidence as nothing incriminating was found either on their person or in the car. I very much doubt that they would have not been st a search no matter what stage they pulled over.

The UK is clearly not a police state as evidenced by the fact that individuals have freedom of expression and the ability to protest. Note that I said 'protest', not 'riot'. Nor is there a 2-tier (policing) system which discriminates against white people.

Meloni heads a coalition government. It's unlikely that she has free rein to implement all the policies she wants to.

Two sides to every story as the BBC link and attached video makes plain. Sky's analysis suggests that Williams' partner was guilty of driving at 32mph in a 20mph zone. Not good but given that he realised that he was being chased by an unmarked van, quite understandable in the circumstances. Now I'm race baiting. Makes a change for gaslighting I suppose.