Bday Prang

No I am not. Neither are the "nongprue officials" who instigated this abomination, but what has that got to do with anything ? Do you think that most surgeons are circumcised due to there inherent knowledge,? I don't even think they use real surgeons to carry out the procedure, certainly not for the females.

And just how prevalent is penile cancer?, a lot less common than prostate cancer I would think ? Would you advocate the removal of that "non essential " body part ??

That is not true, and you know it deep down inside. Is that what your parents told you when you asked them why ?

I hardly think people need brainwashing to accept their natural unmutilated bodies although religious brainwashing is the fundamental reason for this (and many other atrocities), You certainly seem to have been brainwashed regarding your views on personal hygiene I think its called body dysmorphia and treatment (psychological) is available if you didn't know Ask yourself this, Why is any religion forced on all people from a very young age? could it possibly be that young minds are more easily corrupted ? Would it not be much more difficult to get a fully grown adult to believe any of these fairy stories ? "Backed by women" WTF ! I have NEVER encountered a woman who endorsed this practice "Safer as a baby" is that because they don't struggle in resistance as they don't know what about to happen? do they even allow the use of anaesthesia ? " Backed by science" if that was the case it would be highly recommended, or even compulsory for all, the matter would not be up for constructive debate, a bit like Covid vaccines and global warming "highly emotional" ? really? I think any right minded person would consider the surgical disfigurement of childrens genitals to be a somewhat emotive subject, at least they should do

"In order to bolster support and grant the practice its due respect and legitimacy, Nongprue officials have highlighted the various benefits of circumcision, particularly in terms of personal hygiene and cleanliness. By labelling the procedure as a contributing factor to overall health, they have effectively established a scientific and moral foundation for the cause." Way above both their pay grade and their level of competence in my opinion and that of any right minded person And from the linked article... Through providing access to essential religious practices such as circumcision, communities like Pattaya demonstrate the value of living in harmony with others from various cultures and faiths. As a result, this programme can serve as an inspiring example for other municipalities seeking to show their support for religious diversity and for fostering a sense of unity within their towns and cities. So presumably ,in line with the above, the enlightened officials will be leading by example??

Well there is, conspicuously, no mention of any lower age limit at all, just very vague terms like "older" (7 days old is older than one day old is it not) and "young" muslim males

And the moral duty of every civilised country to amend their laws and allow their courts to hand out severe penalties to those guilty of conducting or even encouraging this disgusting practice

A barbaric, medieval mutilation that should never be conducted on anybody without their consent. unless for emergency medical reasons ( if there actually are any ) For god's sake in the UK its illegal to tattoo somebody if they are drunk, as they are not considered capable of giving consent. How can a newborn baby possibly give consent? If a grown adult requests the procedure, fair enough, Up to them but they should receive some science based counselling beforehand to inform them of the consequences, in the same way that those requesting gender reassignment surgery do ( or should do) They should also pay for it themselves. why should the rest of society foot the bill? That is just wrong The reasons for doing it have nothing to do with "cleanliness" or any other medical reason, that is nothing but a smokescreen. One could argue that routine removal of the prostate would have positive effect , ie in preventing a common and often deadly form of cancer but I don't know of any society that advocates that Many non muslim or jewish Americans were circumcised in the mistaken belief by religious zealots that it would reduce masturbation something they obsess about (the same reason that cornflakes were invented lol) and before anybody asks here's a link https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade Almost unbelievable in my opinion ! I have yet to hear of any of these "muslim councils" officially explain the reasons for female circumcision or indeed denounce the practice. and don't try telling me it has anything to do with cleanliness. In most civilised countries it is forbidden, in the UK for example there are severe penalties for it but prosecutions are virtually non existent, one reason being a pathetic fear of upsetting "racial sensitivities" another being that is almost impossible to actually catch the hideous old crones ( it's always old women)who are flown in from places like Saudi Arabia, armed with their razor blades, specifically to commit this heinous crime Is their one adult male who who has undergone this "procedure" later in life who honestly "hand on heart" would extoll its virtue and benefits ? I very much doubt it, and they are conspicuously absent here! On the other hand its only to be expected that those who had it forced upon them as a baby would try to justify it, mainly due to brainwashing from their twisted parents who forced it on them and also as away of convincing themselves that they are not missing out on anything

For the sake of expats originating from the countries mentioned its probably better that they don't resort to economic sanctions. Regulations regarding Visas etc can easily be tightened up. Why would you wish for that? It would also have a negative effect on the Thai economy as a whole which would not be beneficial for anybody Personally I think they should keep their nose out of the business of a sovereign state its got nothing to do with them. How would they feel if representatives from ASEAN nations poked their noses into their countries affairs? Nothing but interfering busybodies

Unless you have have a multiple entry visa

In my experience that is not always the case. I had a close friend from belgium who died last year from prostate cancer. he died in his house, he was cremated 3 days later in his local temple, I can assure you his body went straight from his house to the temple and no autopsy was carried out Another close friend, this time from Germany died around 5 years ago from a brain tumour, again he died at home and went directly to the temple, however his cremation was interrupted literally at the last minute, they were actually carrying him up the steps to the oven when a police pick up pulled into the temple grounds, one of the officers after a respectful wai, halted the proceedings, the coffin lid was removed, and they took his fingerprints then they all waid again and drove off, it was a little surreall to say the least. but again definitely no autopsy Neither of those guys died in what could be considered suspicious circumstances, that is probably why no autopsy was required A bit off topic but there was another guy I knew well who was killed on his motorcycle, not sure if they autopsied him or not but I'm pretty sure he was not taken to Bangkok, however there was some problem with paperwork and his next of kin in Germany were difficult to find, causing him to be kept in the mortuary for about two weeks. His funeral was proceeding normally until it was time to put him in the oven, then one of the funeral officials noticed he was still frozen solid , and as such would have been impossible to burn, the solution was to leave him in his coffin at the oven doors overnight, and we were told to return at am 8 the next morning if anybody wanted to say a last goodbye, I didn't bother going the next day but those who did were a bit disappointed as they had already fired him up at 6am

That's all we can do here, hypothesise , how on earth do you expect any of us to have access to any evidence?

Correct, and without shame I freely admit that along with face tattoos I also have a deep suspicion, almost a phobia, regarding "pierced people" not just a normal earring or two that's fine, but the ones with 1" diameter holes in their ears, rings in their noses and rings in their eyebrows or anywhere else for that matter give me the creeps.

lol doesn't look like you have taken control of very much mr Newbie not even your bathroom floor, I repeat my advice give up trolling and insulting people, we have all been at it a lot longer than you

Is that the best you can come up with

And specifically (from the OP) "is there one idiot that we can point to who shoulder's the blame for choosing slippery tile for bathrooms? " in your own home lol

I agree with everything you said. Except your opening line. Surely the definition of "normal" implies fitting in with a set of parameters that are common to the majority of people, so most people, ie the majority of people would by definition be "normal." Whilst some people do suffer from depression I don't think it applies to most, and certainly most people are not suicidal even when drunk. It might sound a bit harsh but manic depressives are not "normal" If that was the case there would be a lot more drunken suicides. I'm having trouble expressing myself here but I hope you know what I mean, Maybe if you had said "everybody is not normal" it would make more sense to me Just like you I have a feeling about this story, something is not right, maybe it's because I don't consider those with tattooed faces to be "normal" for a start and being so out of control and accosting others at 5am in the morning is not what I'd consider normal either At the end of the day we will just have to wait and see, but we will probably end up none the wiser

I dumbed it down to help you! I even wrote it slowly so you didn't have to read it too fast, looks like I didn't go far enough, Never mind I'm off for a shower now you should take one too, If you dare If you are unable to retile your bathroom floor why not fit some grab handles to hold on to, either that or nail a pair of speedos to the wall and simply slip into them This whole thread brings to mind Michael Crawford in the 70's sit com "some mothers do have 'em" where he played an inept DIY enthusiast. He was renowned for doing his own dangerous stunts but I think even he would give showering in your house a miss after filling in a risk assessment. Sounds more dangerous than the shallow end of Michael Barrymore's swimming pool

Oh but the Thai police are very responsible, they are responsible for some things that you cannot even imagine

Sorry I misunderstood who's motive you were referring to. My theory (s) regarding the police's motive ...possibly they were a bit over enthusiastic when restraining him (its not difficult to suffocate somebody if sitting on them whilst they are face down on the floor) or maybe as I speculated in an earlier post he knocked out a senior officer in front of his subordinates causing monumental loss of face and they got a bit carried away with the retaliation. Either way a suicide is a convenient way out for those involved. The CCTV should help clarify if it was indeed suicide

Certainly got me beat,but that's not hard as I'm pretty thick myself, but cleverer than a lot of those who claim to be. At least I don't have a slippery bathroom floor, you should think about that and maybe praise me for my out of character demonstration of common sense

Al least I didn't specify or accept slippy tiles on my bathroom floor, how many brain cells did that take ? And what did you expect to achieve by posting about your mistake on here ? sympathy? I'd give up if I were you, I think you are out of your depth, Go take a cold shower, if you dare, but please be careful some tiles can be slippery when wet

Well the "schmuck" only built it, presumably to your spec and you paid for it, and have been prepared put up with it, Rather than moaning on here , why not just change the tiles it really isn't that hard

And a few select others

That would normally be the case, but something tells me its not so clear