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1 hour ago, webfact said:
Bans are still in place in Phitsanulok, Pathum Thani, Buriram and Petchaburi provinces after their governors decided not to follow the government's lifting of the rules
Isn't alcohol used to destroy the virus? And that is banned? Sounds counterproductive to me
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58 minutes ago, smudger1951 said:
No point in putting those signs up if they are not enforced, but for thais as well as farangs please !
No point in putting them up because no point in banning the beaches anyway.
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15 minutes ago, time2093 said:
Assuming it was an actually bail bondsman, But with out seeing any kind of ID that he was one or an receipt he paid to one it sounds like an old fashioned Pattaya police scam as the bondman was more likely a cop or a friend of the police as who knows especially to the french man and his wife who were victims of Pattya's finest.
Exactly, the same old story, once again.
Do you know that such a Policeman has to pay a huge amount to be assigned to the good places, such as Pattaya or in Bangkok around Nana Plaza or similar. Usually their family takes a loan, so after that they have to get that money back.
With the lack of tourists and the lockdowns that is a problem now. The pressure increases, the payments for the loan must be paid.But then heaven/God/Buddha sends this 80 years old stupid guy, to make a big contribution to the loan payment.
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7 minutes ago, jimn said:Yep if he gets fined 20,000 he is still 30,000 under what it could cost him, or even 1 year inside.
How do you know that he will get fined 20000 and not 100000?
Are you in on that extortion and know already what was decided?-
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Funny to see how many here think that it is ok that you get locked up in a dirty hole, where there is just 1 public toilet in the room, where there is no place to sleep, where the room is usually cramped with other arrested people, and then processing gets delayed, you have to stay another night there, or the weekend, in an unhygienic hole. And then a friendly guy tells you he can get you out now if you pay a fee of 50000, no receipt, under the table.
In my eyes this is not ok, this is a bad example of corruption, this is extortion. But it happens in Pattaya for years, I've seen quite a few such cases.
On top of that, the guy is 80 years old. C'mon, have the months in your private lockup without alcohol and bars already made you that cruel to wish bad on an old grandfather?
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1 minute ago, jimn said:The notice on the beach clearly states offenders "could face 1 year imprisonment or up to 100,000 baht fine". He got off light
He "got off light" by paying 50000 "expedition fee" without receipt on top of whatever fines are still coming? Seriously?
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33 minutes ago, Oldie said:If I understood it correctly he did not pay a fine yet but just a bail. They are no "lowlifes". They are here to enforce laws. This is their duty. Otherwise the government could send them home.
You misunderstood. If it would be bail, they would get a receipt, and the bail paid back to them who they appear at the court date.
This is extorted money, corruption. "Sorry, you stay locked up, court is closed now, on Monday the judge can look and decide on bail. But if you pay 50000 under the table, you can go home right away."
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2 minutes ago, jimn said:They were repeat offenders. There everyday flouting the ban. In fact they were also moved on about 30 minutes before but came back when they thought the police were gone. Its people like this who ignore the regulations, who will ultimately influence whether we return to some sort of normal
And that justifies to extort 50000 THB corruption payment from them?
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2 hours ago, webfact said:She said police were rude and offhand and would not allow her to take pictures of documents for evidence purposes. She found this most irregular.
Then she said that a bail bondsman suggested they pay 50,000 baht to him to expedite matters. He told them they wouldn't get this back and the matter would go to court. They paid but got no receipt.
This 50000 is not bail, and not fine. Do not misunderstand.It is nothing new, but the usual game they play in Pattaya: catch a foreigner, for whatever reason (usually working without work permit or something similar), lock him up, and if he does not want to stay locked up in that dirty hole in Soi 9 until Monday morning then offer him to get out immediately after paying a fee of 50000.
This is extortion, corruption, but not bail or fine, no receipt.-
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21 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:
Swedes don't "rage" unfortunately, not since they were vikings anyway ????
One of the reasons why Sweden is such a nice place to live - may be except of the long and dark winters.
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3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:
The tests include antibody tests and antibody tests cannot confirm an infection. Exposure to the virus and infection are not the same. How do you know the test "often gives false results"? You are confusing the multitude of newly released antibody tests, with the active infection diagnostic tests.
You might not have understood that antibodies are the result of a previous infection.
So if there are antibodies then there was an infection.
3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:Where does the 90% value come from? No one knows for sure since reported infections are a function of the number of diagnostic tests. The current estimate is 80% and that is just an estimate not a definitive value.
This is what the studies with antibody tests now show, the real number of infections has been magnitudes higher than the cases found with PCR tests.
For that it does not matter much if the antibody test is 100% or only 90% accurate, it shows that there have been many more cases. In some areas apparently 20% and more of the population had been infected.A magnitudes higher number of cases than counted with the PCR tests alone means a much higher number of the infected did not get sick. Probably even much more than 90%.
4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:PCR molecular tests sourced from the western countries have been hitting 99%-100% accuracy.
Please provide a source for this number.
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21 minutes ago, webfact said:Chief of Defence Forces General Pornpipat Benyasri on Sunday (May 3) expressed his disapproval of the large number of people rushing to travel to other provinces on Friday and the long weekend.
About 3,000 moved out of Phuket after being locked down for a month, as they had lost their jobs because of the shutdown of tourism-related businesses.
People should avoid interprovincial travel unless it is essential, he said.
No job, no income, no Corona, but you cannot go home. No income means also problems to pay for accommodation. What are they supposed to do?-
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Interestingly an Israelian Top mathematician, Prof Isaac Ben-Israel (head of the Security Studies program in Tel Aviv University and the chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, head of Israel’s Space Agency) sees a similar pattern to what Professor Michael Levitt describes:
Quote... simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.
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14 minutes ago, Russell17au said:When you look at it Thailand has been lucky to have so few cases and I believe that it is because of the restrictions compared to America, Australia and other countries who refused to bring restrictions in.
No need to look so far away, Thailand's neighbor, Cambodia, had no curfew, no draconian lockdown, no alcohol ban, most shops could stay open (not KTVs etc though), and, surprise surprise, zero cases for 3 weeks now, and no deaths.
Therefore I think that the restrictions in Thailand, as much as they had been understandable at the beginning, turned out to be much more than really needed, and should be mostly lifted now.-
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Let's see what another Nobel Prize Winner, Professor Michael Levitt (Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.”) has to say about the Swedish approach:
QuoteI think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn’t practise too much lockdown and they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity. I see the standout losers as countries like Austria, Australia and Israel that had very strict lockdown but didn’t have many cases. They have damaged their economies, caused massive social damage, damaged the educational year of their children, but not obtained any herd immunity.
There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.
QuoteHe describes indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake,” and advocates a “smart lockdown” policy, focused on more effective measures, focused on protecting elderly people.
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8 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:
I thought all furriners were ordered to leave. An American acquaintance living in Siem Reap decamped to Laos.
Where did you get that from? Must be a misunderstanding. If I remember correctly the embassy of the USA did ask the USA citizens to go home, but as far as I know there was never any request by Cambodian authorities for the foreigners living there to leave.
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2 hours ago, Oldie said:You must be a funny guy. Laws are not only enforced if you see the need for them. Or do you have a different experience?
A law is not a universal and eternal truth. If laws don't make sense or don't make sense anymore they need to get questioned, discussed, and changed, adapted to the reality.
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2 hours ago, Russell17au said:
Who said we had the funds. We still have to pay the rent for the shop with no income
I'm sorry to hear that. I feel with you, I really do, this is a terrible situation.
I promise you I will continue to advocate for a quick end of this useless lockdown, and hope that you and all the other shops and businesses can open again and survive.-
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4 minutes ago, Russell17au said:
For your information our shop was closed on the 18th March and is still closed and will be until around mid July as things stand now
Good for you if you have the funds to survive that, congratulation.
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22 minutes ago, Russell17au said:The bar owner knew the law and that all bars are closed and he took the risk and ignored the law of the day and as such he should have his liquor licence cancelled for a minimum of 5 years for breaching the liquor laws and the emergency decree.
You seem to be a very law abiding person, never breaking any law, any regulation, no matter how senseless they are, and therefore qualified to amend and increase the laws and punishments. Where do you stop? Death sentence?
I hope for you you never come into the situation that your business, your job, your income gets closed, forbidden, without you really seeing the need for it, and you start to worry more and more how to pay the rent, your staff, food for your family.-
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5 hours ago, Logosone said:
And yet it would appear that Sweden's figures are better than the UK's. Then we look at Japan, another country where neither enforced lockdowns or mass testing were done, and again there is no apocalypse of the kind people like Neil Ferguson predicted.
So the key question really is, are enforced lockdowns necessary? Mike Ryan of the WHO has said clearly, no they are not and Sweden, not the UK, is the model for the future.
Exactly, stop the scolding of Sweden for not locking down all and be happy that there are countries trying ways without disastrous lockdowns, and be even more happy if these countries do not show the millions of dead bodies the scaremongers predicted (or should I say "wished on them").
Let me add besides Sweden and Japan also another country to look at, Thailand's neighbor Cambodia, where there are zero new infections for weeks, zero Corona deaths, despite no curfews, no lockdowns, no fines for no masks etc, many bars open, soccer teams training, school kids playing soccer together, etc etc, and just limited closing of businesses (as discussed in some other threads here).
Unless you want and enjoy the draconian lockdowns I do not understand the insisting in them, and the scolding of everyone trying different ways.
Shouldn't we all be happy if it turns out that Covid 19 can be controlled without killing the economy and locking up the population?-
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6 hours ago, Stygge said:
I can see persistant argument appearing freaquently among the posts here.
1. Sweden should be compared to neighbouring countries Denmark, Norway and Finland.
Yes. But. Finland for sure didn´t count death in nursing homes. The other ones I don´t know.
Compared to Norway the experts point out that much of the difference depends on the fact that Norway has been able to protect their nursing homes better then Sweden. Take away deaths on nursing homes and the difference is negible. There are serveral reasons for this failure that depends on different structure and organization of the countries nursing homes. One of these differences is that in Sweden the nursing homes are much larger units with many more old people living close togehter, which help the virus to spread quickly to many. Also Swedish laws doesn´t allow restraining patients with dementia, which allowes them to move around infecting other patients. There has also been insufficient testing and precaution by the staff allowing symptom free personal to infect patients. All these flaws are now being corrected but its effect can still be noticed in high number of deaths in nursing homes.
2. Swedens high numbers depends on low testing.
There is hard to understand how great numbers of testing would improve the situation. The important thing is to registrer the death in Covid19 correctly and compare them with the total population. Much more important is also to test for antibodies for the virus. Now this test is available and reliable and massive testing for this will be done now.3. Still, the numbers don´t lie. Sweden has higher deaths then similar countries.
Yes, but again, take away the failure of protecting the nursing homes the figures are not alamingly higher then any other country. And again; One must compare Sweden´s death rate today with countries soon opening up. The general belief is that when locked down countries open up their death rate will increase.It means we must wait a month or two to do an actual comparison. By the way; experts predict Sweden´s final death rate for Covid 19 to be about 8-10 000 people. The time period for this is 1-2 years ahead, depending on the arrival of a dependeble vaccin. An effective antiviral medicin during this period can also bring the numbers down. I think these numbers will be considered low in comparison with many other countries during this period.
4. Sweden´s economy will hurt as much as the rest of the world.
Only half right. Sweden has a hight proportion av big multinational companies, and is in general a very export dependent country. An impoverished world, mainly in lock down of course hurt the Swedish economy greatly. Therefore the bleak forecast the coming year. But the national economy remains largely unhurt when remaining restrictions are lifted. Since restaruants, self eployed and small businesses has been able to stay open during this period they can quickly recuperate. Sweden also has a lagre proportion of tech companies not suffering much from present worldwide self inflicted depression. As a whole the prediction is that Sweden will come out of this ordeal comparativle much better then the surrounding world, with less economical and emotional agony for its population.
I fully agree, thanks for this summary.-
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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
I advise everyone to take vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc during the time of the pandemic. There are many lines of evidence that vitamin D boosts our immunity against influenza.
Let me add drinking some green tea, there are serious studies in Japan that among the school children there getting influenza there were none which had the habit of drinking green tea.
Quote„Our findings thus suggest that the consumption of 1–5 cups/d of green tea may prevent influenza infection in children.“
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/141/10/1862/4630528
And then again, this has not much to do with the pandemic, getting enough vitamins is good at anytime.
Everything which is good against influenza is with very hight certainty also good against all other Corona viruses.-
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3 minutes ago, Upnotover said:
It's bacause retaurants transform into bars, cheese sandwich and 14 Changs please.
And what would be wrong with that?
I haven't heard yet that you get infected with Corona or anything by eating cheese sandwich and drinking Chang.
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WHO does a 180, now lauds Swedish model
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And again, you're trying to compare a snapshot in time, not the end result (which we do not know yet, obviously).
As in sports, the winner is known at the finish line, not a few minutes after the start.
I wish Sweden and it's neighbors that this nightmare is over soon and that they all have a minimum of deaths and a minimum of destruction of their economy, no matter which strategy they chose.