UncleMhee

26 minutes ago, law ling said:

This seems one possible solution:
2. Is it a certainity that I can get, and if I do get, a re-entry permit, I can re-enter and be stamped in (as per the original OA visa) for 12 months?

If you think you might fall foul of the insurance law that is definitely an option as outlined in another thread with first hand experience, photos and quoting immigration law.

However your visa was issued well before 31 October and you're now on a second entry and technically shouldn't require insurance IMHO.

If you go the route outlined the only thing I see you're not clear about is how long you'll be stamped till. On a purchased RE Permit until July 2020, your existing stay. On one of the ME's connected to your visa; 12months until December 2020

27 minutes ago, Michael Norman said:

gave me my TM6 Departure card. What do I do to complete the online TM30 since I do not have my TM6 Arrival card

TM6 Arrival/Departure Card. Same card, same data entry number for both.

Unless you lose it, get a new one and then try to depart before you arrive on the new one I guess! If that's the case, keep whichever one the IO gives you back. IO's love joking around.

11 hours ago, looking for LIFE insurance said:

I paid 1M BHT or $25,000 for my lifetime "DUMB" Visa.

 

Do the math , I am in/out of the airport in a golf cart within 40 minute.  In/out of CW in under 40 minutes.  I have a visa for life.

 

Let's see how long you last..

Ten years of saving and planning a retirement strategy on the correct official visa, O-A; sourced from home country with all the checks and balances, basically blown out of the water by new regulations in the first eighteen months of being here. I was never going to be one of those guys that needed an agent. Guess what?

So Good Luck with all that! TIT

2 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Is that the official view from Immigration? 

It's what was told to me, and allowed on one re-entry this past January, as attested to by the attachments #1267 and laid out in the immigration act in the previous post by @lkv so yes; I'd say that's more than a view, that's official.

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

You will probably mot be allowed to enter on a RE permit as your OA is still valid.

@Sheryl as I explained to @Chill27 in post #1267, it worked for me. Was told by IO RE permit trump's current valid visa with ME. 

Photos attached.

8 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

He could have a permit to stay beyond the visa validity date.

He could.... however if the visa validity is still active i.e. before the enter before date has passed; he can't.

Eg. If my visa expires 30 April 2020....I have been in and out with a permit to stay date of 15 August 2020. If I want to kill the O-A now in November 2019; I can't because my ME's won't be invalid till after 30 April 2020 and that's the soonest it can be done.

2 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

So if he leaves within the first year, how does he cancel that permission?

He can't!

16 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Many base their stay on a lie. 

Personal reasoning can be so subjective though; whereas lies are deliberate misrepresentations.

7 hours ago, Chill27 said:

if I fail to then buy a ME permit from Immigration and leave the country, when I try to re enter my visa will be invalid?

Correct.....what you will be looking at buying though is a; Multi Re-entry Permit at immigration, Bht 3,8-900.

Thanks for your good wishes. Hopefully the dust will have settled.

1 hour ago, Chill27 said:

So am I correct in thinking that if I exit again next July then re enter Thailand again before the expiry of my original Non Imm O A visa, I'll be stamped with another year, which will take me through to July 2021?

Yes.......that entry will be on an original ME and may or may not require insurance.

1 hour ago, Chill27 said:

every time I depart and re enter during the first year, I'll get stamped with a fresh one year stay on re entry?

Without a RE Permit.....Yes. Possibility of insurance requirements.

1 hour ago, Chill27 said:

If that's the case I may try to circumvent the insurance issue by purchasing re entry permits every time I leave the country until July 2021

I was unsure of the whole ME deal, was wrongly told I needed a permit and bought a single no worries, no questions asked. Though there are many posts here that say RE Permits cannot be bought with live ME's still on the visa i.e. before your "Enter Before" date. Your expiry date.

Eg. I first entered in May 2018, got one year. Bought permit August, went out for a month Dec-Jan, stamped back on RE till May 2019. Visa expiry April 2019, went out prior for two days, got stamped back in till April 2020. April 2020 is my next hurdle.....will I or won't I need insurance for an extension.

Note:- After July 2020 buy a multi RE or you will void your visa 

9 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Does every IO at every border reason the same?

He's going to the UK in December for five weeks! I think as far as we know, Swampy, DMK & CNX may or may not ask for insurance on ME; but won't on RE Permit.

All other border crossing would be irrelevant I think. My experience was in C-M.

4 minutes ago, Chill27 said:

Or are references to the "re entry permit" the same as the multiple entry that was included when I obtained the Visa?

The more I read, the more confusing it gets!

Thanks, if someone could clarify for me.

O-A issued in August shouldn't require insurance. However using one of your multiple entries may require insurance. That will be an entirely new entry of one year so it's a distinct possibility. To keep your current trip you will need to buy a re-entry permit which won't require insurance if you enter on that. Your likely to be told you can't buy a re-entry permit because your visa is still valid. I have previously bought one in the same scenario though and entered on it. The IO told me the RE Permit trumped the ME.

Clear as mud I know and, up to you.

1 minute ago, Max69xl said:

7 minutes ago, el jefe said:

 

3 days? Haven't you heard about Fly'n'ride to Savannaket and back? You're back in BKK the same day. And how did you come up with the number 12k? 

Was wondering the same things but you beat me to it. As for my friend; yes it is great for him actually, he loves getting out and about every ninety days, has a place here he's lived in for twenty years. Good luck to ya!

12 minutes ago, elviajero said:

The only way to truly verify the income is to get confirmation direct from the source of the income.

Which the Australian government could have easily done for pensioners at least. They still could; because they are happy to certify original documents i.e. Centrelink income statements directly off of a MyGov app. I know this, because I  asked. They told me they could do that, just not a Stat Dec not for use in Oz.

But without the combo method it's all rather moot!

7 hours ago, el jefe said:

That's exactly correct. And they could effectively be stretched for 15 months. Those ME-O visas were great for people who spent a lot of time in Thailand but traveled often and returned to their home country at least once a year. If I could still get one of those, that's what I would be using.

A friend gets exactly that visa every year in Savannakhet; and has done so for many many years. This year as well!

7 hours ago, el jefe said:

While it's sad that some people failed to plan, if they have no assets and no insurance those are exactly the expats the Thai government wants out. They're the cause of this mess.

It's got nothing to do with failing to plan; it's directly at the feet of the Junta led, Thailand 4.0 Government. Good guys, i.e. Rich guys in.....what a load of! I've got rich countrymen living here I wouldn't give the time of day too; simply because they're <deleted> mobsters. Even with today's exchange rate an aged pensioner can make a good life here for himself and any Thai family he may have. Lay the blame directly where it belongs.....at the feet of greed, government and big business; the same as everywhere else in the world. I wish all of you "rich" good guys the very best if you can meet requirements, and get to stay; you'll need the wishes in the long run, believe you me!

Caloo callay......a visa application issue. Nothing to do with immigration. I like the sound of that!

15 minutes ago, lkv said:

On that logic, anybody that enters with a non O-A after the 31st October will be given a 30 day stamp in lieu of insurance.

Unless of course like the posted photo shows, the visa was issued on 13 Sept, or approx 6 weeks prior to the entry on 31 October, thereby negating the insurance requirements.

1 hour ago, Maestro said:

1 hour ago, farangchuma said:

...Give 15K agent fee or ever increasing yearly fee starting from 50K to get your useless insurance...

 

Does your trusted immigration briber do this for all of Thailand?

I don't believe there's any bribing going on.....if your stuck Grace pleads individual cases to a senior IO who has the power to extend or not as the case may be; but to answer your question; yes she does. Send & receive by EMS or go to her office by appointment.

14 minutes ago, jackdd said:

18 hours ago, Thaidream said:

and even more going the agent route

This is exactly what they want people to do, provides a nice income for the IOs

At last more voices of reason! Sxxt went down, many lost out.....how to get it back? "Ahhh...drive the western devil back into agent's arms". Brilliant really.

If you know where you're staying and put that on your TM 6 (entry card) it should be accepted. You may have to show equivalent to Bht 20,000 to enable payment for your stay. You can extend your visa exempt by 30 days at immigration for Bht 1,900. 

As for unlimited visa exempt at airports; lots of luck with that in the current climate.

What type of multi-entry visa have you got? Are you sure you need to go out to get your extension?