Metropolitian

1 hour ago, champers said:

Ron and Paul Futcher? Luton, Chester, Man City, Oldham and Barnsley. Not necessarily in that order. They are twins.

Good catch ! But not te answer I am waiting for  ????

I checked Ron and Paul; For Luton, Manchester C and Barnsley they were in the same team together.  But not sure about Chester and definitely not Oldham.

4 minutes ago, Oldie said:

 

I wanted to do this in a rented object long time ago. And I was told that everything that will be installed fixed will belong to the owner of the condo. 

Fixed?

The solution: ????

It's getting offtopic but on the other hand an interesting point, perhaps for the OP too.

- What if tenant want to replace the AC. Who gets the ownership of the new product?

I think; tenant have to talk with the landlord about this, he the landlord can agree or not with taking away the old AC for a price or even taking the ownership for new installed aircon for a shared price.

Or landlord installs the new aircon and rises the rental price.

Or just say no, don't touch it. 

Then the solution is, if landlord would accept drilling trough the wall if there is no other way out, having the tenant installing a new aircon which is theirs and taking when leaving.

Installed near the old aircon which isn't removed, so the situation would be like as the day the tenant moved in.

Totally depends on how long would tenant stay in it, I wouldn't bother when renting for a few months but if years then yes I do.

These few last posts.

Who learn from who?   ????

If I would rent such place out, I wouldn't hang up that aircon back to the ceiling.

No paying 3k and no 50k either. Rent would be just for the place, unfurnished.

Tenant, can if he want put a new aircon on the wall.

And take it with him if he insist, but leave no damage or no deposit back

Btw, If landlord has something fixed like aircon or old style windows.

New tenant buy new and replace it.

Who owns it? The tenant, ok, seems fair to me.. if tenant keeps the old aircon or old style windows and put it back when leaving. ????

On 7/23/2020 at 6:02 PM, Polarizing said:

 

You want them there?

Consider taking out or modify that square and put in a long wall mount box.
I have bought mine on Shopee at 'pjrelectric' ,

The box : click here

The plate: click here

Looks like a good place ?

And the extra switch for switching one of the outlets below, where you can connect the adapter for the led lights for the monster under the bed.

- Two brothers, played in five teams together. -

The winner gets a second question for the jackpot????

Give us more clues ????

Is he old now or just turned 23 ?

There are a few bad dog around here.  They are not all the same either.

One bad dog always went crazy when I drove pass, attempting to bite.

One day I had another bike, the dog totally ignored me since.

But once I drove with the first bike, yep there you have him again barking and biting (in my shoe and wife's handbag).

Another dog crazy and ugly as the night always try to attack when I'm out with my dog on the bike.

One day I walked and stopped at the dog with my dog, she totally ignored him when he barked and attempted to jump.

He gave up and walked away.

I have another dog who has not the heart to ignore and instead insist to walk away, an easy prey and the crazy dogs kept on provoking her.

They are all different, you have to learn them and yours and their actions.

On 7/22/2020 at 3:42 PM, AndyAndyAndy said:

60 000 000 Thais and not single of them has a problem with local dogs. 

 

...

 

What would a thai do? Took a stick, smashed the dog over the head. Throw a rock at it.

Do they have a problem with the dogs or not ? ????

That guy from France then.. Henry

Is it Ronaldo? He was there when he was young and before he moved to Spain.

2 hours ago, wilai said:

Anyway new one. Who has scored the most direct free kicks in the Premier League before his 22nd birthday?

Beckham, but not sure about the age.

The Alcoholic Beverage Control Act of 2008 states that it is prohibited to advertise alcoholic brands in a way which induct people to drink.

For displaying just the symbol from the company is allowed.

So a print on a thirt, a big Singha on a building or poster, which is all good.

But not on glasses or showing bottles in the adverts.

This would be allowed

This not.

In 2017 the ban on promoting in public was effectively enforced. Check this report .

In Netherlands there was a time where it was allowed to promote tobacco, now they are left with alcohol signs.

When the alcohol signs had to leave, how to promote... awful

Which is not ugly, this is one street, the Walking Street. But everywhere like this? No thanks.

Or were you planning to widen the alclove and accidentally drilled in the electrical tubes (right that one with the colored wiring) ? ????

9 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

EDIT Does one of the switches control the outlet? If so you're going to need a longer link wire, but the principle remains unchanged.

I think he is going to give up the two outlets below. Everything will be located at one point.

He need a 4x4 or two 2x1 electrical junction box for in the wall where the two pipes are.

But now I have read about a 8 styled hole (I assume two round holes drilled near each other? ' ''I created a 8 shape out of those wood beams'' ) .

I don't see it in the picture but what are you going to do with the alclove , @Polarizing?

If it wouldn't be used, then you can use that space to mount a junction box there.

Or where is the 8 shaped hole in the wood beam?

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

1.5 should be on no more than a 16A breaker, but there's no issue with running an outlet that's not powering your welder or the like.

Looks pretty much that these 1.5mm wire are the switching wires.

1 hour ago, Polarizing said:

@Crossy @Metropolitian
Some of the cables in the tube with white cables are indeed 1.5, very sharp of you.
What should I do with it? I guess to replace them would be too much of a hassle...
From my understanding, if a cable is thinner, there can go less amp through there? 

For feeding light from a light switch, 1.5 is perfect.

In my original country for simple light points 1mm is used, and 1.5 for 16 amp sockets and the 2.5 from the CU to the central junction boxes (star installation, no rings)

So, no need to change the wires on the size requirement.

But mark them. Do you have colored tape? If not, then marker pens will do.

You can write note on the wall , if you going to plasterboard the wall, so that in the future rebuilders will know the wiring situation

1 hour ago, Polarizing said:

I decided it might be a better idea to put the led adaptor not with the outlet and switch as it would be too cramped and I want to save space to leave the niche/ledge as wide as possible. So I want to install led strips under my bed and in the back of the niche, which will be connected with one of the switches.
I am not familiar with led strips wiring, how many wires and what kind should I leave in the white wire tube for this to work? This involves soldering right? As it will go from switch -> long wire to adaptor under the bed-> led strips-> wire to the niche-> led strips

Will the bed be positioned at that location? Consider keeping one of the outlets below, you can switch that outlet by adding one more switch with the other two (you can have 3 in a row).

And the setup for the led strip at that outlet below or the bed.

Many led strips are powered by a adapter, but there do exist led strips working on 220v.  Either way it is useful to have a power outlet near where you will mount the led strip.

Colored ledstrips has 4 or 5 (with warm white included) wires. DC distance over wire is best kept short.

16 hours ago, thequietman said:

16 hours ago, Yinn said:

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It's something that Thailand has never had. Citizens here cannot speak out against the government, and the defamation laws forbid even the truth.

BS. 

What part is BS?  Please tell us oh wise one. ????

19 minutes ago, Polarizing said:

Thanks for trying to understand my abstract artwork! this kind of answer was exactly what i was looking for!

-1 There should be at least 2 hot wires right? 1 for each of the lights? In which hole should I put it then? I never wired lighting before and do not fully understand that point.

-2. yes giving up the holes beneath
-3 Everything is on the same breaker, does this mean I can replace my old switch with a smart switch?

1. gimme a sec, will draw it for you.

3. location and function depends on the smart switch, they definitely need both live and neutral for the electronics to work.

8 minutes ago, Metropolitian said:

Not that much confusing ???? it made more clearly that those are two separated lines. Then another question will arise, are they both on the same breaker or different?

3 hours ago, Polarizing said:

-All of these wires are on the same switch in the breakerbox. 

Just to be sure, there was a reason there are two tubes coming down from the ceiling.. ????

2 minutes ago, Polarizing said:

How can I check it? 

Not to worry about now, it just look like it and could help with identifying if they are sized different.

But it probably isn't it would be obvious if they are by just comparing them with your eyes. (phone)Cameras does in fact little distorting of the image and perspective.

47 minutes ago, Polarizing said:

I actually think that this picture might confuse people even more haha...
 

Not that much confusing ???? it made more clearly that those are two separated lines. Then another question will arise, are they both on the same breaker or different?

This is important for the solution, as we wouldn't mess it up with shared neutrals, which will works until when you, or next owner, decide to replace breakers for rcbo's and the load of the wiring.

(Load of two live wires with both their own rated breaker and the flowback of both over one neutral line which has to be avoided. )

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The switch and the outlet from the upper picture comes from the left circle.
All 4 wires are pulled somewhere from the ceiling, since thais don't match colors they became all white, no surprise here.

I have testing gear, but what I am more interested in a step by step plan than to actually test it, because I drilled into a wire somewhere else in my condo and I did not fix that yet (same breaker switch).

and we dont know if the wrong socket is really wrong or not for now, but I know how to confirm that.

 

The steps are:

1. With the switches in 'off' position ; first measure which one of the white wire is the 'hot wire' and mark it.

   - If it is the one with the many black tape, then we know that that one was supposed to be the blue wire (in your case blue, in proper case it's brown or red). and also means that at the light points the fittings are neutral and switched-live.

2. pull the wiring out the new hole if you giving up the holes beneath, are you?

3. Forget the neutral in the left pipe just leave it here for future 'smart switch'

4. At the location of the hole use the wiring from the right pipe for the outlet. (Get a wall plate for both switches and power outlet.

For the right wire, to be sure about the wiring:

1. Measure between the blue and white = 220v

2. Measure between the green and blue = 220v

3. Measure between the green and white = 0v

4. Disconnect the neutral bar from the main switch (this turns off everything in home so do during the day and in the right order: mains off. disconnect. mains on)

5. Measure between the  green and blue = 220v

If step 5 is true, then the wiring at the outlet is ok and green is really the earth wire.

43 minutes ago, Polarizing said:

As far as I can tell, i see no thinnier wire here. All same sized. We don't know which wire exactly is.

It looks like it is.. or it's an effect of angle/fisheye from the camera ????

1 hour ago, Polarizing said:

(this one is leading to the socket that was wrongly wired that I posted yesterday)

Then I have to forget about the coloring in the CU. We can't rely on the wiring system, and coloring, in the CU and this situation outside.

Four white wires going to the unearthed socket and switches, one of them being neutral and one live and two switched live (or neutral..).

There must be a tap in the ceiling/wall where the blue wire became white.

Now I can't be sure that the switches are switching live OR the neutral wire.

And who can tell, that the 'wrong' socket is indeed wrong, maybe it is good but somewhere in the line the color of the wire changed.

With good testing and marking we can be sure.

Photos are getting useless now, unfortunately.