i84teen

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah huh...I know what he is charged with and really don’t see how intending to kill someone doesn’t involve premeditation. 

Someone premeditates a crime by considering it before committing it. 

If in the course of arresting and subduing a suspect and you kneel on his neck for 8 long minutes the possibiity exists there is "intent" there. "Pre-meditation" implies that you thought through the murder prior to having the opportunity to do so, ie., like Chauvin thinking about killing Floyd while drinking his morning coffee. Premeditation indicates a time span between establishing the intent and realizing the opportunity.

Got it now?

Think about the word felony, that word is key in the 2nd degree murder statute Chauvin is charged with. Also key is that for 1st degree murder a prosecutor would need to prove premeditation (or pre-planning) and there is zero evidence of this in the Floyd incident. It will be much easier to prove Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1) as the state needs not to prove intent but argue his actions may have caused the death.

Let me know if u want me to explain further.

53 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I said that.

To be clear, 2nd degree murder has both intentional and unintentional statutes and Chauvin is charged with 2 murder counts,  one of which is:

Second Degree Murder - Unintentional - While Committing A Felony (Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1)). He has an additional count of 2nd degree manslaughter and one count of 3rd degree murder as well. What differentiates 2nd degree from 1st degree is premeditation, NOT intent.

Interesting that some legal experts insist there is a strong likelihood of a guilty verdict for 1st degree murder charge in this case.

Anyways, not necessary to prove intent based on the 2nd degree murder charge in this case.

6 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

What's the difference between second and third degree murder?

2nd degree is "unintentional", causing death while in the commission of a felony. Example is killing instead of harming a victim. There is 2nd degree with "intention" but does not apply in this case

3rd degree involves death while committing any action or act and takes "depraved indifference" into consideration. An example is the cop Derek Chauvin should have known his actions could be dangerous and cause death to the suspect (G Floyd).

Different states have differing degrees of mental and physical input to reach the definition of the class of murder. I have used minnesota statutes.

actus reus / mens reus

6 hours ago, candide said:

Hair splitting again. Expelling diplomats is a sanction. The FBI did not mention Flynn discussed  the executive order, just "sanctions".  The account of the calls, as made by the FBI, also does not hide what the content of the calls was.  During calls, Kieslav also did not distinguish between the two forms of sanctions. As far as I remember, Flynn never acknowledged he discussed the expulsion of diplomats either.

Yes, it is hair splitting, difference between black & white, lying or truth and in this case, as submitted in a previous post which obviously did not read but instead expect readers to believe everything you spew, so here it is again, two separate events and actions:1. sanctions and 2. expulsion of foreigners both well documented in this and all the other details posted here:

" I have sanctioned nine entities and individuals:  the GRU and the FSB, two Russian intelligence services; four individual officers of the GRU; and three companies that provided material support to the GRU’s cyber operations.  In addition, the Secretary of the Treasury is designating two Russian individuals for using cyber-enabled means to cause misappropriation of funds and personal identifying information.  The State Department is also shutting down two Russian compounds, in Maryland and New York, used by Russian personnel for intelligence-related purposes, and is declaring “persona non grata” 35 Russian intelligence operatives."

quoted by Barack here: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/29/statement-president-actions-response-russian-malicious-cyber-activity

If you read the link I sent u previously you would have seen this, as well as all the references in cnbc news link.]

The DOJ/FBI decided to stop Crossfire Razor due solely to the fact that Flynn did not commit any articulable crimes, and instead set the perjury trap except now its shown Flynn did not lie as the State Dept's expulsions ARE NOT sanctions. If you think otherwise u need to show something tangible to support that or you should move on to something less complicated. if you are perhaps uneducated then I can understand your obtuse rhetoric and lack of comprehension.

33 minutes ago, candide said:

This is hair splitting.

Both were sanctions whether they were included in the executive order or not. When diplomats are expelled, it's not a reward, right?

 

I have to disagree. Expulsion of the 35 russin diplomats and the sanctions against the intel offices and 4 russian spies listed in the EO are two separate actions and events. You even sent a cnbc write-up detailing it as separate actions. So, if the feds are mumbling to Mueller about sanctions, Flynn talked about 35 expelled russians and not the sanctions against FSB and GRU.

I think you need to understand from Flynns perspective is the expulsion order of 35 Russians and Sanctions are two very different concepts and anyone thinking otherwise is obtuse.

Here, this is what you sent earlier. (now stop bothering me please, I am busy).

Sanctions: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/29/russia-retaliates-to-obamas-sanctions-cnn-reports.html

“President Barack Obama announced on Thursday a decision to expel the 35 Russian diplomats suspected of spying and to impose sanctions on the two Russian intelligence agencies over their alleged involvement in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election”

“Washington sanctioned two Russian intelligence agencies, four officers of its largest intelligence agency, GRU, and three companies that supported GRU’s operations on Thursday. Obama also expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two Russian compounds in New York and Maryland.”

“The U.S. sanctions also closed two Russian compounds in New York and Maryland that the administration said were used by Russian personnel for “intelligence-related purposes.”

“President Vladimir Putin ruled out on Friday expelling anyone in retaliation for Washington’s decision to throw out 35 Russian diplomats and impose sanctions on two of the country’s intelligence agencies.”

5 hours ago, candide said:

Lol! The biased article (from the Federalist) that you link is based on the ridiculous assumption that expelling diplomats were not considered as a sanction, so Flynn did not talk about sanctions. Sorry, but they were part of sanctions, and Putin perfectly understood it.

"Putin says Russia will not expel anyone in response to US sanctions"

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/29/russia-retaliates-to-obamas-sanctions-cnn-reports.html

 

The transcripts clearly show that sanctions have been discussed several times, and that there is no way Flynn could have forgotten about it.

 

Judging from Putin's reaction, Flynn's calls have been particularly successful.  It is quite surprising he did not talk to his bosses about this brilliant achievement.

 

 

Easy now, I'll lay it out here in simple terms for u to finally grasp:

The expulsion of the 35 Russian diplomats on Dec 28/2016 occurred under Obama’s directive based on Persona Non Grata status in United States and NOT under the Executive Order (Sanctions) 13757 of December 28, 2018. The sanctions contained in EO-13757 affected only 4 named individuals and is separate from the persona Non Grata status imposed on the 35 other naughty Russians. Sanctions are never used nor needed to expel persons considered non Persona Non Grata status in the US.

Herein is the proof then that Flynn did not lie to the corrupt cops conducting a hoax investigation based on corrupt practices. It’s well documented for all to see. That’s why the bungling feds and DOJ are gonna get nuked over this nonsense and probably on or before Aug31/2020.

https://twbrian.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/diplomat-expulsions-and-obama/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-30/barack-obama-orders-expulsion-of-russian-officials/8153682

https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13757.htm

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Where is your proof of that?

How about your proof, u have none, u just playing games here.

9 minutes ago, riclag said:

I can't stop thinking of the   repercussions of these  riots

 "Activists staged another round of protests on Saturday in at least a dozen major U.S. cities coast to coast, including Seattle, Los Angeles, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Atlanta, New York and Atlanta".

You can kiss the hard work of Americans efforts in stopping the spread of covid, goodbye. Whats gonna happen to the brick and mortar, ma and pa and retail stores in these cities not to mention the spread by ruthless mobs

I want to see Marshall law imposed,now!

 

 

 

 

If these cops are acquitted I believe the worst is yet to come, making the recent events look like a barn dance. The propensity to turn into a major meltdown is quite high. Not good.

5 hours ago, alex8912 said:

It boggles the mind more that you think this is a normal event and that people who used counterfeit money are treated like this even once before. Then you insinuate that a suspected murderer would be treated even more harshly. 

Think back to the pre-dawn FBI SWAT team (32 strong) raid on poor ole Roger Stone for a simple process lying to feds crime.

Lol. But seriously, Mpls cops will play nice if you cooperate during an arrest but if you present certain behaviors that are uncooperative with an arrest process, all things considered, they will come on strong with force. They don't mess about, in the "cities", (Mpls/St Paul). Unfortunately this cop Chauvin was WAY overboard and 3 other "bros" ignored the pleas of G Floyd and a routine (or not so routine in this case) fraud take down turned deadly.

6 minutes ago, Pib said:

For Android TV there is no Speedtest.net app on Google Play....when you use Google Play on an Android TV device it will only show you compatible Android TV apps.  You can go to your Google Play acct using Windows speedtest.net and it will also show which of your devices are compatible....all my regular Androd devices are compatible....but for my two Android TV devices it says the devices are non-compatible/grays out the capability to install for those devices.

 

I did sideload Speedtest.net one time on my Nivida box....it was not fully compatible...would not do a download test and would freeze up the box occasionally.  So, instead, a person downloads some speed test apps from Google Play that are Android TV compatible.

 

Sorry, dude, OpenVPN works just fine and fast on my Android TV boxes and my regular Android devices like my smartphones.   

 

As already mentioned, VPN apps for Android predominately use OpenVPN...those apps would not be doing that if OpenVPN didn't work well on Android TV and regular Android operating system/devices.  Explain why your VPN.ac Android app only offers OpenVPN.

 

 

 

 

 

You are a terrible liar. I can see right thru your dishonesty. Grow up man, stop trying to be something you are not.

Anyways, I use or rather I am testing VPN.ac for their IKEv2 and Wireguard protocols all on the android platform. I connect to their IKEv2 protocol with Strongswan android app and the and Android Wireguard app. You should experiment with Strongswan and Wireguard on Android. I care not about OpenVPN anymore as it is outdated, clunky, slow, and required hardware accelerated devices and CPU's.

That said, I just connected to expressVPN's seattle server and tested the ToT speed, about 56Mbps (see attached) and ToT speed w/o VPN (see attached). Test were done on android box, ookla app, Cat6 and expressVPN seattle server. I have tested 100's of servers / locations with many vpn providers all on android boxes and never have seen a speed higher than 90Mbps with my 500/500 fiber service or on a 3BB gigabit connection, and neither have because your claim is ludicrous and just plain false. Don't bother wasting my time anymore if you cannot be honest.

33 minutes ago, Pib said:

OpenVPN works just fine and fast on my Android boxes, Android TV OS (two different boxes) and Android OS (a box I use to use).   In fact, OpenVPN is the default protocol and sometimes the only protocol offered when running an Android VPN app.    Different than VPN apps for Windows which usually offer a variety of other protocols like IKEV2, L2TP, SSTP, etc., in additional to OpenVPN 

 

Like ExpressVPN for Android TV and regular Android....only offers OpenVPN.   PureVPN for Android TV....only uses OpenVPN.  And PureVPN for regular Android offers OpenVPN and IKE2V....nothing else. 

 

Now I don't have a VPN.ac subscription like you do, but I do have their app loaded on my Android smartphone and VPN.ac only offers OpenVPN.  Now maybe it might offer more protocol if having a subscription, but when not logged in only four variants of OpenVPN is offered.  

 

I guess what I'm saying is typically VPN app for Android TV or regular Android use OpenVPN.  Android smartphones and boxes.....and Android TV boxes are more than powerful enough to easily handle OpenVPN...and I expect that is why most VPN apps for Android-type devices predominately use OpenVPN. 

 

For example below is a speed test done on one of Android TV boxes (Nvidia Shield 2017) to Seattle using ExpressVPN OpenVPN on my Air  Fibre 700/50 plan.  I would say 350Mb speed proves my Android TV box can easily handle OpenVPN.

 

 

 

tse tse tse...oh ohhh...now you are telling a big phib pi Pib. Android box with OpenVPN protocol, or ANY vpn protocol can NEVER manage cipher overheads from a vpn, particularly OpenVPN and produce that speed. MAYBE with pfsense appliance or a powerful laptop, but not on android boxes from your location connected to Seattle OpenVPN server.

Now, on your shield, install the ookla app from the playstore and show us a speed test with ExpressVPN server of your choosing and lets see you backup your claims.

Not nice to try to mislead people here, shame on you.

Waiting for some reasonable speed test as proof.

15 minutes ago, Mahks said:

@i84teen Where are you located?

 

I'm trying to find the range of the problem, Those near me that work with servers are all having the same issues. I suspect there are boundaries within which the problem occurs. Once I know where (or if) they exist, I may be able to convince TOT there is a problem.

BKK, srinakarin road, near Seacon square.

okay, either way, android television or and android TV, the point is about installing apps in the case vpn apps on android tv platform which is a sub optimal method and largely impractical it seems due to unsupported apps. Feel better now susco?

555. I think you are looking for the gotcha moment after u lost face last night. You'll be okay, deal with it.

10 minutes ago, Susco said:

Yes I'm pretty sure about that

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_TV

 

 

Android TV is a version of the Android operating system designed for digital media players, set-top boxes, soundbars,^[2] and TVs and developed by Google. Serving as a replacement for Google TV, it features a user interface designed around content discovery and voice search, surfacing content aggregated from various media apps and services, and integration with other recent Google technologies such as Assistant, Cast, and Knowledge Graph

LoL....ok. Me thinks khun Pib was referring to an android television (AKA Android TV), that would be my understanding from reading his comments.

2 minutes ago, Susco said:

Android TV is an operating system installed on Android boxes

u sure about that? Please fact check and revise this statement.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/android-tv

1 hour ago, Pib said:

I've had been thinking about giving VPN.ac a trial run by buying their 7 day trial period for $2 because reviews of VPN.ac are usually pretty good.  And the app looked like the kind of app I would like using.   If the trial period gave good results maybe I would switch from ExpressVPN when my current subscription ends in another year or so....I also have a PureVPN subscription good for several more years.

 

But the best I can figure VPN.ac does not offer an app for "Android TV"....they have an app for regular Android but not Android TV.   When I do a Google Play search from my Android TV boxes for the VPN.ac app one is not listed.  And when checking Google Play from my Windows laptop it shows the VPN.ac Android app is compatible with my regular Android devices like my Samsung and Lenovo smartphones/tablets running a version of regular Android, but incompatible with my Nividia Shield Android TV box and my Mi Android TV box which run Android TV.

 

So, since I use these two boxes running the Android TV operating system all the time to stream content which needs a VPN connection, VPN.ac not having a Android TV app make them a non-starter for me.

The last place u would install OpenVPN or other vpn protocol is on an Android TV with a woefully under powered CPU. They are not up to the task, your router is a much better option if you need your TV routed thru the VPN.

Any app in google play store can be sideloaded on your android tv using several different methods. Also, you could use any one of a number of free VPN Clients on the play store instead of a the native apps from expressVPN, VPN.ac, etc and they will all work but in all cases they will under-perform significantly due to lack of processing speed of a tv. I have installed several vpn's on android streaming boxes, shield, formuler, and others as well as a Sharp android TV using IKEv2, Wireguard, OpenVPN protocols and the performance was abysmal and underwhelming. I use VPN on an Asus router with Merlin for all TV's and streaming boxes at my location and with the proper setup the speed and performance is 10 times that of android TV with OpenVPN speeds up to 250Mbps. If you have Asus and Merlin u can also install script based ad-blocking called "Diversion" and you have no more ads, on all websites and now on Youtube as well.

VPN.ac offers OpenVPN, IKEv2 and Wireguard protocols and performs quite well compared to most I have tried.

2 hours ago, Pib said:

I was looking thru some past speedtests on the particular computer I'm using right now....it always on a Wifi connection....below is some typical results in my tests to Seattle "with a VPN connection" as I was checking out the speed of ExpressVPN with a Seattle VPN connection....as you can see I was getting in the mid 190ms ballpark...with one test as low as 181.

 

Now on my other, more horsepower laptop which I use with an ethernet connection sometimes I can many times pull 300 to 450Mb VPN connection speeds to the US west coast....at other times only around 250Mb.  I'm on an AIS 700/50Mb plan.

 

 

 

  

Tonight, speed test from TH to SEA using OpenVPN on ToT 500/500Mbps: >600Mbps, higher latency. The test beneath is IKEv2 protocol (VPN.ac) from TH to Seattle as well. Both tests on macbook, Asus AC86U, Cat5e, Cat6, while streaming HD sports @ 60fps.

Perhaps all those who subscribe to gigabit connections in TH and end up whining, moaning & whinging about domestic d/l speeds should switch to a lesser pkg with ToT or whatever else is available in your loction.

A couple of weeks back my neighbor asked me to assist with setting up an iMesh system in his house which has 3BB 1000Mbps pkg and I tested the speed from an old netgear router on ethernet Cat5e and the speed was right up there reaching 980Mbps. So, yes, I would say 3BB is delivering the stated gigabit speeds, at least for some users.

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

That is an extreme fast speed, especially for TOT, which is considered the worst ISP in Thailand for international connections.

 

Your latency is also low. Normally get around 260 - 270ms to US, and I thought VPN would always increase latency

ToT is considered the worst ISP in TH? Says who, you?

Why is it the worst, whats the criteria in arriving at your assessment?

1 minute ago, Susco said:

Under 200 to EU is normal, US is a tad further, so same latency is realistically not possible

Huh? I just showed you 193 ms to Los Angeles. Just because you can't get this performance doesn't me other don't. Maybe get a proper setup and try to improve your situation. It's possible as I have shown.

Try this: do a trace route test with and w/o VPN and take a note of how many servers are given on the WAN (w/o VPN) connection. May explain how the latency improves with a good vpn service.

4 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

That is an extreme fast speed, especially for TOT, which is considered the worst ISP in Thailand for international connections.

 

Your latency is also low. Normally get around 260 - 270ms to US, and I thought VPN would always increase latency

Well, proof's in the puddin. I see latency under 200 to eu and US locations most of the time.

33 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

I would love to see such a EU or US speed test result of 400 - 500 Mbps.

 

Would you mind to post one?

On this test to a server in Sri Lanka conducted moments ago, I actually exceeded the stated ToT fiber pkg speeds (500/500Mbps speeds.