AndrewMciver

10 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

6) What debts?

You think Scotland will have no share of debts from the UK? 

I also don't think your idea of a hard border will go down well in reality. Especially if you join the EU, you will have to do have a hard border there. 

This is quite frankly nonsense. We've been through it once. 

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Why kick us out? No need for that - we cannot get away fast enough.

1) How do you plan on funding defense?

2) What currency will you use?

3) Will you accept a hard border ?

4) No guarentee on joining the EU - especially in regards to an open border to England. 

5) What do you plan to build you economy on? You have nothing, now that North Sea oil is at a rotten low. 

6) How do you work out the debts you owe?

Utter horse balony. You've also already had an election a few years ago. Best out of three?

Utter nonsense. Let them have their independence, kick them out of the kingdom. 

12 hours ago, polpott said:

It was halted in all countries when one person developed serious symptoms. This was investigated and found to be coincidental. Normal procedure when trialing any drug. A report was made and sent to all participating countries. UK, SA and Brazil were happy and quickly restarted the trials. USA didn't. Why? Trump wants an American company to be first across the line with a vaccine and, as Astra Zenica is way ahead of any other vaccine, is putting every obstacle in the way of the Astra Zenica trials.

 

The 6 months efficacy is complete nonsense.

You'd think in 'operation warp speed' we wouldn't see a halting of a vaccine for nigh on 2 months. 

Furthermore, we don't really know if it was just this one case. No one really knows. 

It's disappointing. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is also now on hold for an unspecified reason. 

Furthermore the 6 months efficiany is not nonsense. Go read up on it. You will need two injection that could provide up to 6-12 months immunity. It will be akin to an annual flu jab with the Oxford vaccine that is. 

The suite is different to the normal room. It's essentially a seperate living room area and a seperate bedroom. It is for 2 people. Most people who will book that room are 2 people. 

One way they could have avoided your nonsense was just quoting you the full price - INSTEAD of some confusion that it was meant for 2 rooms. After all we have not read all correspondence you had with them - so they may have assumed it was for 2 people. 

They do not have to honour any price because of an error with the quoting. 

Said it before - but it's wreckless allowing Indian citizens in at this time - even with a quarantine. 

China ? 

Horrific, a kick in the teeth. 

22 hours ago, lujanit said:

The big question is are these Chinese going to be made to go into a 14 day quarantine before they are let into the wild.  As well as covid tests, wearing of bracelets etc.  My guess is no and this pseudo government will come up with 'reasons' why the Chinese are exempt.

 

The same goes for the eight Chinese arriving by private charter.

 

One rule for their Chinese overlords another for dirty farangs.

Hang on ... are you saying these Chinese won't be doing quarantine?

Shocking if true, but i'll wait for your answer 

The UK have just invested massively in a test that takes around an hour. 

This one is cheaper - apparently no more than $5. 

DOH ! 

I keep hearing about state aid rules being a sticky point.

But what the hell has every country been doing during the pandemic - that's rite - 'state aid' saving most local companies. 

What utter horse manure. 

Also what the hell do we plan to invest with state aid. I keep getting told we want to invest in 'AI' etc - that this is somehow Dominic's brain child. But is this even viable? China, the USA, even India are miles ahead of us on these platforms. Do we have the education and population to even develop this sort of technology? We struggled with basic apps for covid. 

And fish? Something whilst it may be patriotic only makes up about 0.04% of the UK economy. To put it into comparission - lawnmowers give more to our economy than fish. 

Just sort out a fair trade deal. Half the xenophobic british population would be okay with curbs on immigration, the rest they have no comprehension off. 

Get a trade deal done and be done with. 

Isn't it about time they actually reviewed letting Indians in ?

The whole pandemic is out of control there. 

I have family from India, and they are desperate to get out. They will go anywhere that will let them. 

1 hour ago, 86Tiger said:

But 100% is OK.  And enforceable. 

 

Got it.

No is telling 100% to stay at home. 

What we are doing is mitigating the risk of transmissions. It's impossible to elimate it - but you can implement measures to reduce transmissions. 

44 minutes ago, QPRFC said:

No it ain't, it's a regular occurrence in Australia and NZ. Fully acceptable. 

Nonsense. Not in any proper establised restaurant. 

Are you talking Mcdonalds and Burger King?

Alot of these are football hooligans and thugs. 

Seen some clips on twitter - guess they haven't had their weekly fix of violence now they can't attend football games. 

Pathetic. 

11 minutes ago, VBF said:

What a ridiculous response!

 

When you warn an individual, you're also warning the family unit! 

They, as a family make the decision to protect the unit as they see fit!

 

In your friend's case, surely it's not beyond the wit and wisdom of the family to discuss and plan for themselves? In his case he might have to sacrifice some freedom for the parents he presumably loves....but it's a private matter for them NOT a basis for changes in law!

 

You STILL haven't read that I said that people who have pre-existing conditions should make their own choices...LIKE I'VE DONE!!!!!

 

Friends or family makes no difference because I have some dear friends who are elderly and vulnerable - I know I'm a potential risk, so I "socially distance" myself from them having discussed it with them.  My 81 year old neighbour who knows all about me and is as good as family, came in to my place for coffee last week - I invited, she CHOSE to accept.

No it's YOU who isn't understand how the transmissions works. 

My friend goes to work. Is cutting back on her social life. However if the virus is out of control and going through the population it will eventually catch her (at work, or a supermarket, etc) and she will then infect her elderly parents. 

The key is to cut the transmission down in the population, in the short term, as we search for treatments and a vaccine. 

What is about 'VECTORS' you don't understand? You are looking at this as a singular simple case - "Elderly person stays home. Young people get on with life". THAT IS NOT HOW TRANSMISSIONS WORK. 

12 minutes ago, VBF said:

You don't tell them (us) - you warn about the possible dangers and let us make our own decisions.

Personally, you can warn me all you like - I'm not isolating to avoid a virus that probably won't cause me much harm even if I am exposed to it.

 

And if it does..... nice knowing you all  some of you!

I repeat..."better dead than living under these stupid, needless suppressions."

You 'warn' them ?

Words are all well and good - but surely you would need some form of measures to protect these over 60's too?

Eg, my friend lives with his parents. They are both over 60, one with a pre exisiting condition. Does he move out?  Another couple i know, look after the husbands elderly mother. Do they stuff her in a nursing home? Talking of nursing homes - who works in these? Should we just seal them off from the world and leave them be in these homes? 

How about we get every over 60 year old with a pre exisiting condition and dump them on a island ? Would that be to your liking?

Incidentally do you have any elderly family members?

1 hour ago, VBF said:

Thank you. What was going to be my reply to @AndrewMciver would probably have seen me banned!

 

And, for the greater good, let the elderly and vulnerable make their own decisions - to go out and mix with possibly infected people or isolate. Meanwhile the world economies can start to recover. No good saving people's lives to go back to an empty planet!

 

Remember Charles Darwin..."The survival of the fittest"

Just re-read - these comments also serve as an agreement with @englishoak comment in #39.

 

And, I'm 65 with pre-existing conditions, not a "selfish yoof" - better dead than living under these stupid, needless suppressions.

Let us oldies make our own decisions - we've had a lifetime of practice, meanwhile freeing up the less vulnerable to get on with life!

How exactly do you tell 30% of your population (or say 45% in Japan) to isolate and not come out - because the young ones have had enough after 6 months of chilling (most western countries were paying wages to a huge majority to chill at home).

1) There will be massive effects to the economy from doing that also. The over 60's contribute more to the economy than the under 18's. 

2) What provisions would you make that the elderly don't suffer - be it mental health issues, hunger, health care, etc

3) Who will pay and look after the elderly - a large amount still stay with families. Also remember a huge volume of deaths in the UK came from care homes, where it is believed one cause was of the virus spreading was the workers were coming in with the virus. 

It's almost as if i've been transported back to the 1940's with the rhetoric some are coming out with. It's impractical and ill thought out - and just spewing ageist rhetoric. 

And no, i am not over 60. 

Just now, Cryingdick said:

You can’t enforce it which is the entire point of the article. You know what culls the weak more than COVID? Worldwide eco No mic depression.

You know what else culls the weak - STUPIDITY. 

The idea is not to wait a lifetime, but to give it a few months so we can learn more about treatments, and the holy grail a vaccine. You're acting like you've been stuck in some form of lockdown for years - it's been 6 months. 

We get it - you're horny, you want to get back to Nana Plaza - but killing millions to satisfy your needs for cheap drinks and sex is not the answer. 

2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

No but they are the ones that need to stay isolated. Otherwise there is nobody to care for them. Let the kids have a financially viable future or everybody is screwed. 

That's not quite how it works. 

You can't ask some 30% of your population to go lock themselves in a room and never come out till their is a vaccine.  How exactly would you even enforece something like this?

Furthermore, it's a collective responsibility. A 16 year old may catch it, be fine - but he could pass it on, and it gets passed down the chain until someone infects a vulnerable person. That's why it's vital you stop the transmission. 

56 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Love you too Scott.. Ill just stick with gov facts then

 

Statistics from the ONS is out... Since February related to CV19 deaths based on only those WITHOUT other conditions deaths is as follows. 

Of those in the age group under 20 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded to purely CV19... 4 those with an existing condition that died.  16 ... total 20

Of those in the age group under 40 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded to purely CV19... 39 those with an existing condition that died..181 ... total 220

Of those in the age group under 60 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded purely to CV19... 307

 

These arnt my figures or a guess or an interpretation, these are undisputed facts that anyone if they are bothered can read and add up for themselves.. the data is from the UK Office Of National Statistics, it is what the gov constantly uses for its data and is considered the gold standard, all related documents and numbers relating to above info and all manner of other charts can be found here. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datalist?sortBy=release_date&query=&fromDateDay=&fromDateMonth=&fromDateYear=&toDateDay=&toDateMonth=&toDateYear=&size=50

 

Look for yourselves and decide.

 

 

So shall we just let the over 60s die ?

Idiot 

9 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

With so many immigrants that likely cannot speak, read or write in English in Great Britain,

what do you expect? Then you have the 18 year old to 40 year old group who think

that they will only be sick and not die, so do not care, who are causing the 2nd wave.

Now its the start of flu season. Good Luck  UK, you need it.

Geezer

Only a certain kind of individual can you use a worldwide pandemic to mix in their racist views. 

14 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

How many people has this happened too, any source?

Plenty. Happens daily.