ryandb

follow the thread for this conversation, someone stated resisting an arrest is a crime everywhere, this was just a rebuttal but we already know you don't like to wait to see all the evidence before you make a judgement

it's on the constitution site.... here's another then “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

The traffic offenses are not proven, and again you are just assuming that they just took the cop down and took his gun (which he had in his hand) without the cop doing anything to elicit the reaction.

Again for about the 50th time it depends what they were doing, was it their "duty' or were they infringing on rights, were they threatening to shoot the NZers, did they overstep the mark? Again just being in a police uniform doesn't automatically give you the right to do anything to anyone

yes but he said anywhere in the world.....

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

Why exactly? Because I believe in evidence before public lynching. It seems you guys all believe the police would never overstep the boundaries despite thousands of videos to the contrary in existence.

What's your obsession with Tiger Muay Thai, did you lose money betting against Petr Yan last weekend?

You nor I have no clue what happened before the video, but you seem so convinced they were not cornered into this situation. It's really mindboggling how some from a snippet of a video and the police statement think that they know the entire story.

I don't know whether it was, as neither of us know the real story of what led to the altercation, they do not look aggressive to me, there were zero strikes shown, his friend was not kicking the cop when he was down, they restrained and disarmed him. Again if the video included a man being disarmed without a uniform on, would you jump to these same conclusions?

I saw the tail end of an altercation with one man using grappling (no strikes) to restrain a police officer and remove his weapon (which apparently had one round missing), hand it to his friend who removed the clip and emptied the chamber while saying the cop attacked them (we don't know this to be true) What did you see exactly? and why did your blood boil? Also ask yourself would you get as angry if the cop was just a regular Thai?

Nope but clearly, you have a bigoted view of NZers, do you apply the generalizations to people who share the same race, religion, or sex also?

It's not, you don't comply with tyranny (not saying this was an instance of tyranny before you get confused) when a Police Officer does something to you that is wrong and the only way to save yourself is to defend yourself then you have every right to do so If you are fearing for your life which might be the case here, might not as well, would you rather die on your knees or die fighting?

This is what you said, and I completely disagree, like I originally replied, would you drop your trousers and touch your toes if the police asked you to?

Yes guessing the state of mind is by definition conjecture as we do not know it!! Ah I missed the recorded by the police, but it still doesn't change what the video shows which is the only evidence at this time but very weird if that was a cop why exactly they didn't draw their weapon (assuming they were carrying) especially when once the guy took possession of it.

I was thinking its a civilian tbh, but I don't know, if the video started from exactly the point we see which is might not it seems they are coming out to see what was going on (probably hearing shouting and the scuffle) which is why the other guy tries to explain.

It may end one way, but they you give a different outcome.... Again it comes down to what took place before, would you have blamed a Jew from fighting back with a Police officer in the 40s? How about a woman being sexually assaulted by a cop? Cops aren't Gods, just because they wear a costume does not mean they are untouchable.

Just drop your trousers and touch your toes eh? or you prefer getting on your knees instead?

You are referring to a small snippet of video of a much larger incident, we don't have the facts. We don't know who escalated the situation either, we only know the 2 NZers restrained the cop and took his gun and discharged it.

Well, you were replying to my comment so I stuck to the parameters of what I said. But talking about who was taking the video and trying to guess their state of mind is conjecture and does not add anything to the story right now, once they make a statement or their statement is released then that will enlighten us.

Na, just friendly advice not to call people idiots.

What does this have to do in any way with the point there appears to be no evidence of road traffic offenses besides what the Police said happened?

If you call people idiots, please re-read your post before clicking post.

Is there photos of them fleeing? evidence of the Road Traffic Offenses outside of the police statement of this right now? I've only seen video of them restraining the cop, I'm sure there will be some eye witness statements appear in time but right now there is no evidence of what the police stated happened before the video

Why do they have no right to do this here or anywhere else, you don't have the right to defend yourself from being robbed from someone because of their position or clothes? I hope you mean it's not the wisest decision