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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:
There is a subtle but important difference.
The EU investigation is aimed at getting to the truth.
In the case of the ‘hill billy Dad or right-wing host who said COVID wasn’t real and then died of it’..... The truth got to them.
My point was that I would think most people here would be interested in this story, while Jeffr2 seems to think it’s irrelevant to the conversation.
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3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
Posting articles like this doesn't help. Not sure why some feel the need to do so. Crazy.
Personally, I think this article is at least as relevant as all the ones about some hillbilly Dad or right-wing radio host who said covid wasn’t real, and then later died from it… but that’s just my opinion.
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12 hours ago, Purdey said:
I have to show proof of nationality when crossing borders. Proof of identity when flying domestically. Proof of membership at my Club. Proof of having had a yellow fever vaccination in certain countries. Proof of basic ability to drive with a driving license. Proof of identity when entering certain offices in Bangkok. Proof of membership when borrowing books from a library.
One more doesn't matter.
If it were just another card in my wallet that I had to show when I crossed a border, it wouldn’t be so bad. Showing your passport when you enter a country is one thing, but would you choose to live in Thailand if you were required to show it every time you entered a restaurant?
Having the mobile phones and apps involved makes it that much more off-putting. Yes, I know my phone is tracking me all the time, but I can still leave it on the dresser and go out for dinner.
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12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
More drama.
As for ‘The freedom of the individual should surpass everything else.’
Utter nonsense.
Your freedoms are founded on the past and continuing sacrifices of others.
Just go get the jab, you’ll only feel a small <deleted>.
I think there’s a lot of people out there, myself included, who have had the jab, but just don’t like where the level of surveillance is going.
Once this system is in place, it will be here to stay, even if COVID completely disappears. Watch the seasonal flu become the next boogeyman, when it inevitably returns and kills a few hundred thousand a year, like it always did.
It’s already started…
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1274355
I’ve never had a flu shot in my life, and I don’t remember anyone ever worrying about whether I had. My Grandma always got one every year, because her doctor told her it would most likely keep her from getting seriously ill, but nobody ever expected it to eradicate the flu.-
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12 hours ago, wensiensheng said:12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
More drama.
As for ‘The freedom of the individual should surpass everything else.’
Utter nonsense.
Your freedoms are founded on the past and continuing sacrifices of others.
Just go get the jab, you’ll only feel a small <deleted>.
I think there’s a lot of people out there, myself included, who have had the jab, but just don’t like where the level of surveillance is going.
Once this system is in place, it will be here to stay, even if COVID completely disappears. Watch the seasonal flu become the next boogeyman, when it inevitably returns and kills a few hundred thousand a year, like it always did.
It’s already started…
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1274355
I’ve never had a flu shot in my life, and I don’t remember anyone ever worrying about whether I had. My Grandma always got one every year, because her doctor told her it would most likely keep her from getting seriously ill, but nobody ever expected it to eradicate the flu.
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22 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:
What’s the point of that?
The government is (rightly) focusing on the serious cases where people are being admitted to hospital. What does adding symptoms to a list achieve?
I think the point is to inform people that if they’re fully vaccinated, but are experiencing certain symptoms, then there’s a chance that they have a breakthrough infection, and could be contagious. They should self-isolate until they can be tested.
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25 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:I'd be interested in the numbers from countries with universal health care. Most children get vaccinated against most things that will harm them as a matter of course.
Other stuff from travel clinics depending on where they are going.
Most anti-vaxxers have had all of the usual childhood vaccines too. Their issue with these ones is that they are so new, are only approved under emergency circumstances, and that the pharma companies who manufacture them are not currently liable for any damages. Plus people just don’t like being told what to do.
To be clear, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I’ve had the Jab, I think it’s safe, and I would tell others that I think they should get it, but I’m not in favor of forcing it on anyone.
The statistics show that your chances of having a serious reaction or dying after getting the vaccine is very low, but there have been enough documented cases to cause concern for a lot of people. If they are coerced into getting the shot, and happen to be one of the unlucky few who suffers a bad reaction or dies, their family will understandably be very upset. If governments are going to make these jabs mandatory, then people expect to have some recourse if someone they love dies as a result.
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50 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but most antivaxxers seem to be from the US
There are anti-vaxxers all over the world, including in Thailand. The media just focuses on the American ones because it’s become a political talking point.
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On 7/28/2021 at 3:09 AM, Phoenix Rising said:Except for the fact that even asymptomatic persons can infect others.
And apparently, so can vaccinated people.
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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:
Slightly incorrect: While vaccinated people ‘can’ transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus after exposure, they do so to a far lesser degree for a far lesser period of time as the virus does not replicate as readily in their body, they carry far less viral load, due to an absence of symptoms they sneeze & cough less also minimising transmission.
Ultimately, unvaccinated people with symptoms contribute to the spread of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 to a far greater degree than those who are vaccinated.
Vaccination significantly reduces the probability of developing symptoms.
Wrapping it up... vaccinations are imperfect, no vaccination offers 100% protection from illness, but they do offer a high percentage of protection.
A vaccinated person still does not want to be unnecessarily exposed to SARS-CoV-2 because there is a possibility that they fall within that small percentage for whom the vaccine is ineffective.
There are also people who for medical reasons are unable to take the vaccine, thus when considering the the population on a whole, vaccinated people (and anyone) may consider that these people also need protection through herd immunity, i.e. with more people vaccinated in a community there is reduced possibility of spread of SARS-CoV-2 through that community, thus potentially protecting those unable to protect themselves through vaccination.
We’re seeing reports of an increasing number of cases among vaccinated people, and there is mounting evidence that vaccinated people who are infected can have similar viral loads to those who are unvaccinated, and can still spread the virus to others as well.
But you’re right, that the vaccines offer a high level of protection against serious symptoms and death, so the vaccinated shouldn’t have much to worry about.
It’s looking like these vaccines may not be capable of getting us to herd immunity, so people are eventually going to have to learn to live with covid, and be satisfied with the protection they get from being vaccinated. The people who refuse vaccines will be accepting greater risk to themselves, but judging by these latest studies, they shouldn’t be any more danger to others than a fully vaccinated carrier would be.
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On 8/10/2021 at 6:43 AM, Jeffr2 said:
Variants will keep popping up until more are vaccinated. The current increase in cases in many countries with high vaccination rates is primarily among the unvaccinated.
If we're going to get this behind us, get the jab. It's the right thing to do.
- About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.
- The new data, published in the U.S. agency's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.
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10 hours ago, MrJ2U said:
Unvaccinated people are pools for the virus to mutate.
All of the information I’ve seen says that vaccinated people can still get infected. Wouldn’t that mean that the virus can mutate inside their bodies?
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3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:
The unvaccinated will allow variants to keep cropping up.
You remember all the battles to get helmet laws enacted? Seat belt laws? Drunk driving laws?
Seems anti vaxxers fall into these groups. If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. Just pay your own medical bills. LOL
What about the vaccinated people who are getting infected? Can’t they cause variants too?
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16 hours ago, DavisH said:...and all ICU admissions in Australia at the moment are primarily the unvaccinated and a few having had one dose (az or Pfizer). Thailand just gave stats today that mirror those results, but in terms of deaths. The writing is on the wall. I don't think we need peer reviewed papers to point out those results. Of course, the vaccinated can become infected (juat head thr neighbour's brother got infected, even though he is fully vaccinated). We know this already, but they generally have fewer and less severe symptoms.
I agree that the vaccines seem to be doing a good job of protecting people from serious symptoms and death, but the part I don’t understand is why so many people care whether anyone else gets vaccinated or not. As you say, the vaccinated can still be infected, which means the virus is replicating inside their body, and if the virus is replicating, then isn’t it just as possible that it could mutate in that vaccinated person? This assertion that unvaccinated people are solely responsible for any new variants doesn’t hold up in my mind, but maybe there’s something I’m missing here.
The point is, that if you’re vaccinated, you are protected as well as possible for the time being, but the variants will continue to pop up, and most experts agree that covid isn’t going away, and that we’ll have to learn to live with it. The way it looks to me, is that the people who can’t deal with their own fears want to control other peoples behavior in order to soothe their own anxieties. If we let the most fearful in society dictate the policies, then I think we’ll be wearing masks and avoiding social contact forever, regardless of what percentage of the Earth’s population we manage to vaccinate.
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On 7/5/2021 at 4:19 AM, Kanada said:
Very few cases of the flu this last year and a half compared to years before because people are wearing masks and washing their hands etc.
I’m not a virologist, so please set me straight if my thinking is out of line here, but I have to wonder if we will see a massive spike in flu cases as the masks come off and distancing rules are relaxed. Much of the world’s population has spent the past year and a half shielding themselves from pathogens that they would normally encounter on a daily basis. Hasn’t science established that living in an over-sanitized environment weakens the immune system?
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20 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:
I am afraid I have pretty much given up on the mainstream even looking at Ivermectin. It makes no sense. I have listened to the arguments against it, mostly they say they don't accept the studies as being scientific enough. Doesn't matter the results are always positive. Now it's progressed to Discrediting anyone who proposes it for covid treatment or prevention. It's sad the people I have followed on this subject are mostly doctors they're only interest is in saving lives and yet people want to attack them and discredit them. These people are not anti vaxxers they are simply proposing a cheap option to countries like Thailand that don't have vaccines. Personally I salute them for trying, I don't believe there efforts will work though. Too many people can't think for themselves and rely on mainstream media to tell them what to think.
I agree completely. It’s strange how dismissive/aggressive some people become at the very mentioning of Ivermectin. This drug has been used for decades and has been proven to be safe. Why not at least try it? The worse case scenario is that it does nothing besides killing any parasites that might be living in the patient’s body.
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15 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:
Cherry picking a bit are we? Without mentioning why infections are on the rise in Peru? Come on.
The US did about the worst. No lockdowns. UK wasn't far behind. Then came the variants.
No easy answers here.
The US didn’t do the worst though, there’s a bunch of countries which had higher per-capita death and case rates, and some of them were wealthy, developed European countries.
This is what I can’t understand: So many people want to blame Donald Trump personally for each and every death that happened in America, but they seem to have very little to say about the leaders of other countries who’s results were just as poor, despite them apparently doing all the right things. This isn’t a defense of Trump’s handling of the pandemic, I’m just pointing out the inconsistency; I haven’t heard anyone hysterically screaming that the leaders of Belgium or Peru have committed genocide.-
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How can a cross of two separate variants come into existence if viruses don’t breed with each other to reproduce?
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1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:No. Just because you had it one time, doesn't mean you can't get it again. Even if fully vaccinated, you can still get the virus and pass it along.
So if being fully vaccinated doesn’t protect against reinfection, and recovering from the virus doesn’t give sufficient immunity, then how do we get out of this?
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8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:
It's one of the numbers scientists are pushing around as the rate we need to get to in order to stop the virus. Some say even 80%.
Should I assume that they have taken into consideration the millions who have already had covid and recovered, as well?
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Why not just wear an N95 with no valve? They’ve been available in the hardware stores where I live for months.
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1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:Hospitals get overrun due to covid. Just look at the US, Brazil, Italy, India, etc, etc etc.
Hospitals do not get overrun due to road accidents.
Again, impossible to compare the two. For a variety of reasons.
Road fatalities in the US, about 40,000 per year. Covid deaths, almost 600k. An counting.
That’s a perfectly fair point. I have no objection to restrictions when case numbers are high and hospitals risk being overwhelmed. What I disagree with is the one size fits all approach to restrictions, even when cases are basically at zero in a given area, as well as all the silly stuff, like having to wear a mask into a restaurant, only to take it off as soon as I sit down at a table.
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3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:Well put. Some just don't get it.
You’re right, I don’t get it.
Road accidents aren’t contagious, but they are often a random occurrence. You can’t catch a road accident, and you can’t be involved in one if you never drive, but you can still get hit by a car while you’re walking down the sidewalk.
The only way anyone can guarantee that they stay safe is to avoid roads altogether, which doesn’t seem like a very realistic thing to try to do.
Road accidents kill a lot of people in Thailand every year. Covid has killed relatively few in Thailand, yet you still see families of four on a motorcycle; all of them wearing masks, but none of them wearing helmets.
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1 hour ago, cmarshall said:
The reason is that the standard public health measures that were applied conscientiously in the successful Asian countries are quite capable of containing a still more transmissible variant if discipline is maintained.
I don’t believe that these health measures are necessarily capable of containing the spread, even when applied with discipline.
The city I live in has had a mask mandate in all public spaces since October, along with all kinds of additional rules at most work places. I’m seeing a much higher level of compliance here than I ever did in Thailand; I don’t remember the last time I saw someone without a mask on outside of my own house. Despite all of this, cases have kept going up and up. Shouldn’t we see at least some noticeable reduction if the measures are really as effective as we’re led to believe?People will keep blaming the guy who they saw walking his dog without a mask on an empty soccer field for all of the cases that keep popping up, but I’m not buying it.
I think you’re probably on to something with your theory that Thailand and the rest of East Asia (also Australia/NZ) were dealing with a less contagious strain the first time around.
Your Covid 19 papers, please
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Speak for yourself. When I’m in Thailand, I have zero reason to carry a smart phone around with me - it stays at my room.
My Thai SIM card goes into a $20 Nokia. That’s the phone that comes with me if I need one, and unless I’m leaving my neighborhood, it usually stays home too.