Well done Portugal.......joining many other countries now with NO QUARANTINE and also a simple vaccine OR negative PCR test requirement.   

Portugal will welcome British holidaymakers from mid-May, tourist minister says | Reuters

Lots of countries now opening up without any quarantine - well done all of them - and hopefully they get lots of tourists  - whilst those countries insisting on banning people or making them undergo quarantine - remain without tourists !!!!!!

Turkey starts the ball rolling..........

No vaccination certificate.

No negative PCR test.

No quarantine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/14/turkey-plans-first-country-accept-british-holidaymakers-without/

Welcome tourists of the world !!!!!!!  The race to get the tourists back is on..................the losers will be those who dont welcome them back with open arms.

Turkey starts the ball rolling..........

No vaccination certificate.

No negative PCR test.

No quarantine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/14/turkey-plans-first-country-accept-british-holidaymakers-without/

Welcome tourists of the world !!!!!!!  The race to get the tourists back is on..................the losers will be those who dont welcome them back with open arms.

Simply.........

AZ offers an effective not for profit vaccine.

The corrupt people of the world see no way to make a profit from this..............so they dont want it and trying to find reasons to not use it, delay it...........in their world better people die and they make profit......than everyone gets vaccinated and they make no money.

The UK has given over 10 million AZ and 10 million Pfizer vaccines.

Number of blood clot related events:

AZ = 13

Pfizer = 15

These numbers are no higher than what is seen in the general population (no increased risk).

And yet the PROFIT POLITICS OF CORRUPTION say that the "not for profit" AZ is "a danger and we need to review more........in the meantime buy those expensive vaccines that make lots of profit" which can have middlemen and commissions and corruption involved.......

Just to add to the convo........

Moderna is forecast to make $18 billion this year alone selling CV19 vaccines.

See why the fight over vaccines is so..................well.............profit orientated

On 3/5/2021 at 6:48 PM, sdweller said:

Strange that some on this forum somehow believe that vaccinated people should NOT be allowed into Thailand?  Do you really believe that someone who has an approved vaccine is STILL a threat?  Time to get over your irrational fear, because that is all it is.  The chances of a vaccinated person getting/spreading Covid is minuscule. Time to come out of your cave.

Vaccine efficacy varies between 60% and 95%.

That means for 60%, then 4000 in 10,000 vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus.

That means for 95% then  500 in 10,000 vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus.

How is that miniscule ??????

Vaccinated and non-vaccinated need to be treated exactly the same - test - quarantine - test - test

4 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

It is still quarantine. Nobody will take up the offer.

 

Thailand can either insist on quarantine, and accept there will be no tourism, or allow vaccinated and tested people to enter and travel within the country. The only two options.

Just accept that as long as you are requiring quarantine you will not receive any significant tourism

Being vaccinated DOES NOT mean you will not catch or carry the virus and become infected/infect others.

Depending on which vaccine you get, you have somewhere between 40% and 5% chance of getting infected and spreading the virus.  No vaccine gives 100% protection.

Its therefore crazy to suggest special treatment for vaccinated people.  Everyone, vaccinated or not, has to be treated exactly the same else what is the point..........will it suddenly be ok to let vaccinated people spread Covid in Thailand ??

The only way forward is to test, test, and test............. Test before flight, test on arrival, quarantine for 5 days with a further test on day 3.

Thats the only way forward until all those at risk people are vaccinated.

What Thailand has to do is to eliminate the crazy  CoE and F2F certificates and all the other paperwork - just make it that you have to have a valid visa for entry..........along with a negative PCR result.

Simple

And I will remember who treated me as a human being in future.  And who treated me as a "diseased dirty foreigner".

Thailand, Singapore and many other countries are very low down on my list of airlines to use, places to spend money now.  And I am/was Platinum on Thai Royal Orchid Plus.

Sad...........but very true !!!!!!  

People will remember..........and their future plans will be made based on the current experience.

Or just fly via Dubai.

No hassle, all you need is a PCR negative within 72 hours.  None of this fit to fly nonsense........and Emirates gives you FREE 30 days insurance if you fly on one of their flights !!!!!!!!!!!!

Enjoy the airport, restaurants, freedom.........the real world with FREE insurance given...........NOT DEMANDED.

Dubai and Emirates will become the worlds preferred airline/airport.  Star Alliance is going to be in trouble..........  Changi and SQ already suffering badly.

13 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

Quote from link:

 

“In response to the Brazilian clinical trials, Sinovac Biotech has defended its vaccine. They said that the participants in its Phase III trial in Brazil – the largest one for the vaccine undertaken worldwide – were medical workers who tended to COVID-19 patients, arguing that they faced higher exposure to the highly infectious pathogen.

"The vaccine's ability to protect medical workers in active outbreaks could significantly improve if they are administered between 21 and 28 days," said the company in a statement.

Experts also agreed that the overall result is good enough considering almost all the trial participants in Brazil were high-risk front-liners, as reported in the Global Times.“

 

https://theaseanpost.com/article/chinas-sinovac-results-doubt

The Global Times is the Official mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party to spread CCP propaganda all over the world it is strongly suggested.  Do you believe anything in the Global Times ?  I dont.

Latest breaking news is Oxford/AZ works against the nasty Brazil variant, but Sinovac ones does not??

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/health/1484467-exclusive-oxford-study-indicates-astrazeneca-effective-against-brazil-variant-source-says

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Current quarantine requirement for the "island" countries.

Indonesia     5 days

Philippines   7 days

Thailand      14 days

So far it looks like Bali opens first and with just 5 days quarantine, so far, Bali and Indonesia will look to be the big winner here.

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No program requiring quarantine will ever succeed in attracting more than a few thousand tourists. Nothing is being done to address prior problems, or elevate the tourism experience here. Much improvement and reform is needed. And sacrifices need to be made. I do not hear ANY discussion about what sacrifices Thailand is willing to make, to get the tourists, and that multi trillion baht cash cow back. No luxury or wine taxes are being reduced. Combined with a bloated baht, inconsistent and draconian immigration policy, major international egg on the face from recent decisions pertaining to the youth and opposition protestors, no way forward politically, horrendous air quality and environmental policies (or lack thereof), and a truly regressive dinosaur government, Thailand is losing its appeal for many. 

 

A good place to start would be the submarines. Give them up. you going to do with them anyway? Who will pilot them? No subs for 60 years, and all of a sudden you have the expertise to pilot and maintain them? Hello. Show the people you care.  22 billion is the official number. But, since the first one is already up to 13 billion, the numbers simply do not add up. As usual. What about experience? Thailand has not had a sub for over 60 years. Who will pilot this sub? Who will maintain it? How much is the projected annual bill for repairs, and upkeep? Do you army clowns care one iota about the people? Just be honest, for once, and admit that you don't. 

If a tourist wanted to venture to an island destination, they are all devastated by this shutdown. Was recently in Samui. 85% of the hotels were closed. Most restaurants, alot of bars, shops and other businesses were closed many permanently. Granted, there are some great hotel bargains right now. But, that environment is fairly depressing, seeing so much hardship. So, the lame authorities here need to wrap their minds around that. Tourists would be coming to a hugely diminished destination. Free quarantine? Might be a good place to start. Make some sacrifices, you incompetents. These issues and problems were becoming apparent long before Covid. And none were being addressed. That is part of my point. Tourism had been declining for years already. The numbers were up. But the quality of tourist was way down. And according to everyone I spoke to last year, the year before and the year before that, income was way, way down. So, "this blame it all on Covid scenario" is somewhat disengenuous. Sure, Covid is huge. And the drop now is stunning. But, my point is there were plenty of issues prior to Covid. And are any of them being addressed? Quantity over quality is never a good thing, unless you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. It just lowers the quality of the experience for all.

 

There does not appear to be any end in sight for the Southern Islands. Domestic tourism has now been wrecked due to a very poor reaction by Anutin and the administration, with regard to the need for a total shutdown of Samut province, which happened far too late, after the latest outbreak. It was total and abysmal failure. Oh, can I go to prison for saying that? Prayuth is largely to blame for this, as he was obsessed with the optics of a lockdown, even if it was only one province. This has led to thousands of cases, the loss of millions more jobs, and an utter demolition of the domestic tourism industry. As far as international tourism goes, it is anyone's guess when that will start to revive, and how many years it will take to even get back to 20% of the former levels. I am guessing no more than 5 to 8 million tourists annually, even four or five years from now. 
 

And the longer they wait, the more Thailand WILL be forgotten. Plus, as usual the lack of vision, wisdom, skill and talent, prevents them from realizing that their primary market of lower to middle income Chinese, Malaysians, and Indians have been financially decimated by Covid. Plus, changes in attitudes regarding long haul travel, alternative travel spots and more.

Expect 300,000 to 500,000 tourists in the 12 months following the end of restrictions. 2 million the following year, and no more than 5 million tourists a year for several years after that. This is realistic. International tourism here will never be the same, post Covid. And in our lifetimes, Thailand will never see close to 40 million tourist again. Game over. The door has closed. The world has changed, and you are not adapting. 
 

Its an important point that you make...........people seem to think that the worlds tourists places are the same as before.

They are not.

Most hotels offer terrible service.

Buffet meals are gone.  Its all "new normal Covid service" now.   Its awful.

Most places are shut.

Its depressing.

Anyone thinking they fly into Phuket and its party party party............no its not.  I am quite sure WHEN the first arrivals get to see what its like now they will all say that had they known most places were shut and service levels terrible in the new normal, they would not have bothered with the expense of coming.

It will take years to recover, and until quarantine is eliminated and people can travel in for a weekend or few days.......things will never recover.

The race to open is on.  Bali will be opening soon.  Already Indonesia is down to 5 days quarantine only,

So would you like to spend 14 days in quarantine in Thailand or 5 days in quarantine in Indonesia............  if you must do it, obviously Indonesia wins.

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Wow........ in your quarantine hotel you will be able to mingle with other potential Covid carrying quarantined guests, therefore allowing you to become infected yourself....................

You Can Still Spread, Develop COVID-19 After Getting a Vaccine

You Can Spread COVID-19 After Getting a Vaccine (healthline.com)

Any so called "Vaccine Passport" is completely useless......... it is nonsense to suggest that a vaccinated person should be able to travel without PCR testing and quarantine.   Vaccine or no Vaccine should be treated exactly the same.