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44 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:The 10-20k Non-Imm O Multi's hanging around are propping up 65M Thais and their economy? If you say so.
No, but they are providing for 10 - 20k families, with children to be brought up and very often elderly relatives to be supported.
For want of a simple pragmatic temporary solution to this problem, that 10 - 20k families are going to be severely impoverished if not left destitute.
In my case with a teenage daughter, abandoned by her mother, suffering from depression and undergoing psychiatric treatment, with no real alternative parent available, the result would be calamitous.
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1 hour ago, Bender Rodriguez said:
so what is your solution ?
I'm looking for one. At present I don't have one.
What I want is a non Immigrant type O, because I am a single parent caring for a child. I would settle for a single entry to get me through to the New Year, but would prefer a multiple entry.
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50 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:
Yeah, they know all the right things to say, but I can almost guarantee you they'd be happy to be similarly wealthy with similar power. Most Thais I have encountered, rich to poor, aspire to the same culture.
Happy to be as wealthy as the Red Bull clan perhaps, I'm sure we all would be.
Their anger was directed at the corrupt shenanigans by the bodies responsible for investigating and prodecuting. That is altogether different.
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8 hours ago, trainman34014 said:
Fail to see how keeping this Dinosoar alive is going to benefit anyone except the freeloaders !
Those calling the shots are from amongst the freeloaders!
It will surely be approved.
What will be more interesting to see is whether they will be extended bankruptcy protection in other jurisdictions - notably Europe. If it is not extended , especially in Europe, as much of their fleet is leased, will their route restructuring options be somewhat limited?
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1 hour ago, zzzzz said:amnesty does not concern me as am on a extension but i cant believe that 48%
checked this option;
Wait and hope for a further extension of the amnesty
Fools???? or just wishful thinkers
Possibly, like me and for various reasons,their options are limited.
I am on a multiple entry non O. I am still married, but separated now for 10 months. My wife has abandoned my daughter, who suffers from depression and needs psychiatric treatment and medication. I can not abandon my daughter. There is no alternative "parent" - her grandparents are in their 80s. I do not have ThB400K, and my income is less than Thb40k a month (although I have enough to live in modest comfort). The multiple entry non O issued in adjacent countries was, and remains, the only visa type for which I qualify. The authorities have always been happy to issue it to those of us who qualify.
I have not voted in this poll, I am looking for a solution; but I am neither a fool nor a wishful thinker. Nor I suspect are many others, who for a myriad of reasons, find themselves in the same position. As you cannot possibly know their reasons, perhaps you should not glibly label them as being either fools or wishful thinkers?
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14 minutes ago, vogie said:
I don't think another referendum would be the end of it though, the SNP live and breathe for separation, nothing else matters to them or their followers, they are a one trick pony. The only way to stop the cancer that is nationalism is to get rid of the SNP, it may take a while, but it surely must happen for the sake of the United Kingdom.
That is very true. They demand independence, but don't even have a policy on what currency an Independent Scotland will have!
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22 minutes ago, hugh mckee said:
another vote would mean those blue and white face painted loonies would have to shut up and would be then end of Nicola Sturgeon's career so maybe not such a bad thing after all.
I wouldn't bank on that! They will claim that things will have changed - it was raining last time, it is sunny now or something similar!
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"Morning Gents, excuse ranks, I am your PTI. This is your annual Fitness Test. To your front you will see a civilian protester. He has a thirty metre start on you. When I blow my whistle you will have 3 minutes to chase him, catch up with him, kick him to the ground and deliver as many blows to the head as you can until the time is up.
Ready? "Peep" go"
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1 hour ago, stevenl said:
The same procedure as happens if Trump gets incapicated ?? before the elections.
Come now, why should Trump become incapacitated? Is he not, by his own admission, amazingly fit for his age (and cheeseburger consumption rate!). It is not as if he cannot walk down a gently sloping ramp without assistance or anything like that?
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7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:
Rather than waffle on and enlighten us all to your own personal view on democracy and absolute margins, why don't you invest on reading about the US Electoral College system and why the founding fathers thought this wise. You might also read about The Tyranny of the Majority.
Very few countries use a simple majority to elect their President, PM, Chancellor or whatever title. The UK certainly doesn't.
From the (limited) reading which I have done, it is obvious that the "Founding Fathers" intention was absolutely not to to create a system whereby the popular vote, in a simple binary contest, could be overturned. That is what has happened. Similarly, I don't think that the "the tyranny of the majority" is remotely relevant, unless it is another way of explaining that the winner in such a binary (national) contest should not be acknowledged as such because you don't like her policies. A majority did, that is why they voted for her.
I know that we are very much of opposing views when it comes to "qualifying " electoral results. For me it is quite simple, the person who gets the most votes wins. It is not a parliamentary election, it is a simple vote for a President.
The rest of my post explains my views on the effects of the electoral college shenanigans. If you don't like them, feel free to ignore them.
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20 minutes ago, Kelsall said:If the election had been based on the popular vote, Trump still would have won. He would have run a different campaign designed to win the popular vote.
People want to change the rules after the election. It's like a football team that loses the Super Bowl saying, "yeah they got more points, but we got more yardage."
That is a pretty bold assumption. From memory Mr Trump's campaign was very largely based on very personal attacks on Mrs Clinton, leading chants of "lock her up" for example? I would have said that it was definitely aimed at the popular vote!
Anyway, you rather miss the main thrust of my post - why does not the popular vote have primacy over other considerations in electing the President?
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On 8/10/2020 at 7:34 AM, 2 is 1 said:
I recoment that buy machine whitch heat water also! Get clean clothes, i notice before that all my white clothes was ruined coz nothing spot go away after wash! Whit your budget you get that kind! I buy my last one from Home Pro. And off cource automatic machine, not that kind sht where have 2 chamber!
I have a bog standard Thai twin tub. My daughters white school shirts come out spotless, and believe me she is very particular! My shirts are fine. Thai washing powders/liquids are formulated to work with cold water.
The "kind sht where have 2 chamber" work fine...
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3 hours ago, Kelsall said:"Clinton, a Democrat, lost in the electoral college to U.S. President Donald Trump in 2016 despite receiving more votes than him nationwide."
LOL, more whining about the electoral college. ????
It is an entirely valid point - "whine" if you must. Mrs Clinton emphatically won the popular vote in a nationwide poll. Not by a narrow margin, she polled some 2.8 million more votes than Mr Trump. I am not an American, and certainly not an American constitutional scholar, but I simply cannot see how it can be regarded as a democratic process if the candidate with a clear majority of votes is denied the Presidency by an appointed electoral college. I have heard the phrase "prevent the tyranny of the majority" quoted many times, but what you have had for the last four years has been, effectively, a tyranny of a minority - the man with 46% of the vote was awarded the Presidency, the woman who won 48% (however jaundiced one's view of her may be - and mine is very jaundiced) was denied it. I cannot believe that the Electoral College was established with the intention of producing such a perverse result. If Venezuela, or Zimbabwe, or virtually any other country held an election, and endorsed the person who lost as, effectively, the winner then the USA would be at the front of the queue to condemn it as a false election.
So yes, anyone who believes in the democratic process cannot help but be struck by the perversity of this decision, and Mrs Clinton and those who are supported her campaign are perfectly entitled to continue to "whine". If it happens again, which some suggest is a distinct possibility, then the whines will, rightly, be louder, deafening perhaps, and any claim that the USA may have to be a leading democracy will have been thoroughly trashed,
Perhaps that really does not bother some, both on this forum or within the USA? It bothers me, and I'm sure an awful lot of others throughout the world. I am politically conservative, (fellow Britons please note the small "c") and I believe that a democratic United States (although they may have made some terrible mistakes) has been central to the post WW2 "settlement" in the world. Take that away, and it leaves a vacuum which could be filled with many unsavoury regimes.
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Declare it "fake news"!
Sure beats all the hassle of appealing to a higher court!
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2 hours ago, simple1 said:
At this stage with trump the indicators are trump will again not win the majority of votes, but will have to see what happens with the Electoral College process.
If that were to happen again, and if the USA were to have a further four years of a President who had again conclusively lost the popular vote in a national election, then we could only conclude that democracy has ceased to play a part in the election of the President.
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3 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:Time that Harris take distance from Clinton. Remember Trump got elected thanks to Clinton.
Ummh, didn't she get rather a lot more votes than him?
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18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:If I were Trump I'd have had him removed from the room and banned on ever returning. I know the left hates Trump, but have some respect for the position, if not the man.
It could be argued that Mr Trump has so thoroughly, consistently and vigorously destroyed, over the entire span of his Presidency ( starting perhaps with the blatant lies about the crowds at his inauguration) any trust in his office that he has also dramatically diminished respect for the position. One inevitably follows the other. Mr Trump's behaviour, and his more than somewhat fragile relationship with the truth reveals his own lack of respect for the position. Put bluntly, after four years of lies, it has become the "new normal" for the Presidency.
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I was in the company of a couple of educated professional Thais (senior nurses) yesterday evening when this business was being discussed on the TV. Their anger at the obvious corruption was palpable, as was their contempt for the police spokesman and frustration at the apparent inability to do anything about it.
As one said: " money, only money".
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5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:
Why would the EU not want an independent Scotland? Oil. Massive fishing rights. A stable country which already adheres to the EU's standards. A country which will be a net contributor
This does rather raise a number of questions.
Whilst the SNP has said that it would wish for an independent Scotland to join the EU, has the EU said it will allow an independent Scotland to join?
Would an independent Scotland meet the criteria required to join the EU - rather than expecting a special case to be made for them. Whilst the French might support them - anything to stick mud in the eye of the "Rosbiffs" - would the rest of the EU be so enthusiastic. It is perhaps unwise in the end, to rely too much upon the French!
What about the currency - the rock upon which so many arguments foundered last time round. If an independent Scotland is still (as seems probable) using Sterling, then they will not, by definition, be fiscally independent and therefore able to join the Euro.
However stable, prosperous and we'll endowed with oil and fish, will an independent Scotland meet the fiscal requirements of an EU application, and if it does will the economic measures necessary to achieve that be acceptable to it's people.
There are plenty more such questions which can be asked, and will have to be answered if you wish to realistically consider membership of the EU.
Personally I suspect that such an application will take quite some years to complete, and will require an independent Scotland creating and maintaining its own currency as a precursor. If the economic case for an independent Scotland is dependent on EU membership, that will cause major problems. Carts coming before the horse and all that!
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5 hours ago, potless said:As I am not an economist, I expect to be shot down in flames here. Why cant the Thai gov. just do the same as the west? Print money. Distribute the money to the unemployed which would help to keep local economies afloat and maybe take the edge off a strong Baht?
I am no economist either, as the most cursory of glances at my financial affairs would reveal. I am however a keen (if cynical) observer of the way this (my "adopted") country is run.
Could I suggest that the economy and it's rather splendid reserves are regarded as belonging to the small if very influential and wealthy section of society to whom this government is beholden, and whose wealth is often (mainly) deposited and invested overseas. Any move such as you suggest which may weaken the currency, would reduce their wealth, and is therefore a non starter.
Besides, the unemployed can always go back to their farms...
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7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:
Pretty sure he married into the family, and is but a director.
He's not going to prison.
Hmm, I had the impression that he was fairly central to the whole business, but it is only my impression.
I agree with your second point. No prison.
Lucky that there were no wild mushrooms in his panther willy soup!
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17 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:
if ferrrari boy gets away with murder of a cop, why would anyone go to jail for owning a gun ?
Just perhaps; some people of influence think that there is a chance that Premchai might be prepared to include part (or total) control of his very lucrative construction business, in any deal which avoids imprisonment?
Perhaps the Red Bull business is quite simply just a question of milking cash - the cashflow depends on the creature remaining out of prison - control of the business may not be on the table?
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37 minutes ago, Percy P said:
I'm a British person ethically English. I find Philippine people in general speak English phonetically good.
Or even well?
We are talking about English teachers after all!
End of visa amnesty may spell uncertainty for some expats in Thailand
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I would very much doubt that they would drop the ThB 400,00 requirement.
I think it is possible, unless they intend to cease offering the non O multiple entry visa under the present requirements, that they may offer further 60 day extensions at ThB 1900 a time, until the borders to the adjacent countries, where these visas can be obtained, are opened.
That would be a simple pragmatic solution, which would benefit the visa holders, and bring in an income stream for the immigration service. Remember such people (myself included) are not trying to extend tourist visas, but are bona-fida residents, using visas happily issued by the authorities for that purpose.