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4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats exactly what it seems like to me too... 

 

That said: Why is there no clear direct statement from this lady?.... 

 

I’m wondering when the police to obfuscate some more and file defamation charges against the actress. 

 

Can they really file defamation charges against her? Under Thai law they could. But I assume that she was out of Thailand by the time she posted her story on Facebook. If her story is true, it's not defamation under Taiwan law, or what's generally accepted internationally. 

So yes, they can file charges against her in Thailand. 

But those charges wouldn't hold up outside of Thailand, so I don't see how they can put in a request for interpol to arrest her, and extradite her. 

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Where did the lady state that the Police put a vape in her hands ?

 

The article states they she has claimed this ?...  where did they source that info if no other social or news outlet has this information?.... is it made up? 

... link to the the girl making their statement on her own social media page or wherever she made it ?

 

 

Seems very dodgy as if the Nation have been executing a smear campaign.....

 

 

 

Initially her story was posted on Facebook here http://www.facebook.com/taiwantopic

Posts are in Thai, but you can click on auto translate. You have to wade through a lot of posts to even get a sense of what's going on. 

Allegedly, one of her claims goes like: "she claimed that the police actually took her money, put a vape in her hands and took a photo".

That is not the same as she claiming that police "planted" a vape on her. It is likely one of those crime reenactment photos that police are so fond of in Thailand. And as insurance in case it becomes public ("she had a vape! Vaping is illegal in Thailand!") 

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

the actress has been lying about several things: Taiwanese actress who claimed extortion caught in lie on camera (nationthailand.com)

According to the article:

"The actress told Taiwanese media that Thai police put a vaping device into her hand and that she did not know what it was.

She alleged that she was charged with having an illegal e-cigarette device in her possession. Police subsequently took her into an alley and extorted 27,000 from her, she claimed. "

That is some wild, new claim by that article, claiming that police planted a vaping device in her hand. 

That article shows a number of still photos from CCTV showing her with a vaping device in her hand (not at the checkpoint, from days before). It's amazing that they can dig up those videos, but not the actual videos of the police stop. It's a classic case of obfuscation: can't win with the actual videos, smear her on other issues. 

8 minutes ago, happydreamer said:

Yes...this will be the outcome of this situation.  There will be a law made just like the anti-defamation law that says if you "out" anyone here you will be banned from the country for a set amount of time.  Totally expect this to happen within the next few weeks

She has already stated that she will never ever return to Thailand.

8 hours ago, persimmon said:

There is one of these at a house on our soi . It`s huge and I wouldn`t want to be anywhere in the vacinity if it ever got out . The main reason people keep these things is to intimidate the neighbours . The Thai media has christened them " kartagorn see kah " , or 4 legged killers - that`s just about right. The owners of these dogs that savage people should be charged with manslaughter and put behind bars .

Yes, criminal charges against the owner is the only way to stop this nonsense. 

In the absence of CCTV footage, I would say most likely scenario is along the lines of: homeowner confront thief, they have a scuffle, thief goes to ground but isn't incapacitated, homeowner kicks him a few times while he is on all fours.  Thief is then allowed to crawl away.  In this scenario, I don't see why the homeowner should get charged with anything.

17 hours ago, mikebell said:

No.  The home owner should use reasonable force to subdue the intruder not carry on kicking him to within an inch of his life.

There is absolutely no proof of that so far.  Is there CCTV footage showing the homeowner continuing to kick the thief after he had been incapacitated (not merely fallen down)?  When the thief was delivered at the police station, they sure didn't see it as him being kicked "within an inch of his life".  The thief himself apparently didn't see it as such either, as he waited 1 week to go to the hospital.  Non of his family did either.

13 hours ago, Nsp64 said:

Police threatened the homeowner with a month in jail but reduced it to a 500 baht fine . Now why doi you think they did that?

Now they are warning the relatives of the thief to leave it alone .

The whole thing stinks of bribery .

It wasn't the homeowner who was threatened with 1 month of jail and eventually fined 500 baht.  It was the thief!

"He was apprehended by local officials and taken to the Wang Sam Mo police who fined him 500 baht for fighting and let him go though he was initially told he'd have to spend a month in jail.

He went home and no one knew that he was coughing up blood after he was badly bruised. He couldn't walk and stopped eating."

2 hours ago, Huahinexpat83 said:

Hi, all.  Thank you for all of the advice.  I just went ahead and advance paid what we had used until we moved out.  I knew that I couldn't accept myself being that person.  I used it, I should pay for it.  I'm left with hoping I'll be treated fairly down the line, but not holding my breath.

I thought that part of the deposit was to cover for the utility bill of the last month, no?  I moved out of my last place (soi buakhao 15) on the 28th of the month, asked/told the agent to pay the electricity + water bill when they come out at the beginning of the month (as I too wasn't quite sure I would get my deposit back).  They were fine with that. 

After considerably longer than promised (at the time of signing the contract, it was "we will refund your deposit in 3 business days!"), I did get my deposit back minus the utility bills.  In the agency's defence, they did have to wait a few days for the utility bills to come out.  And there were a couple of holidays in between.  But still, it took 19 days and several times of prodding before I got my money back.  But still, I consider myself lucky to get my money back.

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

One question which was not asked is if people buy now more in total compared to pre-online times.

Personally, I don't buy more than before. Instead of going to shops I just buy it online.

But I guess there are lots of people who buy now more items and spend more money in total compared to previous times.

I buy roughly the same as before online shopping, maybe a touch more because some products I would not have been able to find before.  I spent less money though, as online shopping is way cheaper.

On 1/17/2022 at 4:12 PM, HexTree said:

You can just go to the right-hand side. I queued for hours with my own 'under consideration' stamp, only to be told to go back out and head to that desk.

I did that on Wednesday, and it is indeed true.  If you have your "under consideration" stamp already, no need to join the long line.  They do require you to accompany your passport with a photocopy of the photo page, and the "under consideration" stamp page now.

I was at the immigration office at:

Wednesday 8:45 am - line was enormously long, didn't quite spill out onto the street but it was close.

Thursday 9:45 am - line was enormously long again

Thursday 2:35 pm - very short line, only 7 people in the line outside.  Inside it was packed.  Risk is, if you get there late in the day, even if you make it inside, the front desk guy might tell you "no more number, come back tomolo"

20 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The right hand side was for 90 day reports previously...... did you get a plastic number? I have used that to get past the queue before, but the grumpy Thai guy tried to stop me. 

I am not there yet, will be there on Wednesday January 19.

10 hours ago, HexTree said:

You can just go to the right-hand side. I queued for hours with my own 'under consideration' stamp, only to be told to go back out and head to that desk.

Thank you for the info.  That is one thing in Thailand that absolutely baffles me: in situations with long lines, there are no clear signs posted as that what each line is for.  Same thing with the Covid vaccine lines at Central Festival mall.

I have my "visa under consideration" already.  When I go to get my actual visa stamp (covid extension), do I have to stand in that loooooong line?  Or can I hand it off to the people on the right-hand side (outside the office), where people come to collect their passports?

Yet another graph highlighting the incredible difference in deaths by age group.

2 age groups (75-84 and 85+) account for 6.9% of the total population, but they account for 55.7% of all deaths.

Children (0-17) account for 22.3% of the population, they account for a miniscule 0.07% of all deaths. (note: the 0.1% in the graph is rounded up from 0.07%, as you can see in my previous graph)

• Share of total COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So you would take the Covid vaccine when it has been around for some time? 

I have had 1 dose already.  I am not in the children's age group.  My point is (and the point of the OP), should children take a fasttracked/rushed vaccine, with their risk of serious illness and death being such a minute percentage of the total?

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

It is good for the kids. And even better for all of us. No reason not to vaccinate children. Even the FDA agrees with that.

Is that for the good of all, or for the good of the kids though?

Take a look at this graph of all covid deaths in the US since the pandemic began, broken down by age groups.

0-17 year olds only had 513 death (out of 712,930).  That's 0.07% of all deaths.

For the next 2 age groups, 18-29: 0.5% of all deaths, and 30-39: 1.6% of all deaths.  Not very high either.  It's the older folks that really get whacked.

I am 50. 

Hypothetically:

 - if my age group had 0.07% of the deaths

 - and the 2 age groups below me had a very low % of deaths

 - and the 2 age groups above me had a very low % of deaths

I would not get vaccinated.

• COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Kids get sick and die from Covid, so vaccination is a good thing.

 

Would you get your kid vaccinated for measles or polio?

Measles and polio vaccines have been around and tested for decades.  Therein lies the difference.

53 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Vaccination for children helps to stop the spread of the virus to other people. We’re trying to stop the epidemic, so, stopping the spread is important.

1. Chances of the Corona virus disappearing in 10 years is virtually zero. Most likely it will stay with us for a very long time, or forever. The 1918 Spanish flu is still around (in mutated strains). So this virus will continue to spread, (some) governments have already switched the focus to preventing serious cases/hospitalization instead of preventing spread. 

2. There is the issue of what's good for the collective vs what's good for the individual. Vaccinating kids now (or soon) may be good for humanity overall. But is it good for the kids? 

Question: if you had a young child, would you vaccinate him/her ASAP? I wouldn't. 

2 minutes ago, whiteman said:

I think all the brown paper bags have stopped coming hence they stopping the supply

They are switching from Sinovac to Sinopharm.  The brown envelopes will just be coming from a slightly different source.

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Thanks for your correction. It turns out that. at least in this case, I'm the numerically illiterate party. For what it's worth I misread the last 2 columns as being gross totals rather than rates. I was wrong. Absolutely wrong.

 

Here is a link to an article about the anomaly with suggestions as to why this might be the case.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2021-09-11/COVID-19-vaccines-are-working-but-there-s-one-anomaly-in-UK-data-13rScGoGaxG/index.html

 

That said, obviously this statistic is far less important than hospitalization rates and mortality rates among the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. And there, the differences are stark and clear.: it is far more perilous to be unvaccinated than to be vaccinated.

 

 

That link says: "According to the report, 97.7 percent of the UK adult population now have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination."

At that time, the percentage of fully vaccinated was right around 60%.  So 37.7% got their antibodies from infection.  If you are not vaccinated but have the antibodies already, is it still worth it to get vaccinated?

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

Did you bother to look at how those numbers you underline relate to the total pools of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated subjects. In other words the numerator isn't enough. You also have to consider the denominator. Those 2 terms come from an arcane branch of mathematics known as arithmetic.

These reports for the UK, from week 36-39 2021, so very recent.  The 2 dose vaccination rate there was 60.1% at that time.

And if you cared to read the reports of the other weeks, you will find that the infection rates are quite similar to week 36-39.  i.e. that vaccinated and unvaccinated are getting infected are roughly the SAME RATE!  That is very surprising and troubling indeed.  

To be more precise: infection rates are much higher (2-3 times higher) for under 18, and 18-29 age groups.  Infection rates are slightly higher for vaccinated for the other age groups.  Overall it's not all that different, certainly nowhere near the 80-90% efficacy one would expect.

Although if you look at the other tables in the same reports, serious illness and deaths are vastly lower for the vaccinated. 

And just to get back to the OP, the death rate of those under 18 is 0.0 per 100,000 for both vaxxed and unvaxxed.