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2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Sure, that's why he took the gun with him right?

 

So you're suggesting he went there to rob the guy of the house, make him homeless but not steal his money? Makes perfect sense ????

To intimidate him into moving away.  Not on the spot, but hopefully soon.  A gun is a great tool to add to the intimidation.

2021 is a very crummy economic year for Thailand.

If 2022 is forecasted to be only 5% better than that, it's basically: same excrement, slightly less stinky pile.

1. The wife admits to knowing the deceased, says he is a "friend of a friend" and she has turned down his romantic advances.  It is unlikely that a Thai man in a village goes directly from "hello" to "do you want to get it on", so it is likely that they must have had a fair amount of interaction, gotten to know each other to a fair degree.

2. There is no mention of the deceased having a criminal record, or the reputation of being one.  I get that people get economically desperate during these times, especially day labourers like the deceased.  But then you steal, maybe break in when the owners aren't present.  It's unlikely that one goes from "not a criminal" to a robber at gunpoint all in one go.

3. Of all the houses to rob, the deceased had to choose that of the Swiss.  Hardly makes sense if he just wanted money out of desperation.

As best as I can tell, the deceased saw that the lights were on in the house, which didn't faze him at all.  He came armed with a pistol.  He came WITH INTENT.  My assessment is that Thai man didn't intent to kill the Swiss outright.  Otherwise, as soon as they were facing each other, he would have unloaded 4 shots quickly, and then aimed carefully with the other 2 shots.

Which leaves the following possibilities:

- the Thai man came to talk.  Not in a nice way, mind you.  More to threaten the Swiss at gunpoint.  And then something went wrong.

- the gun didn't belong to the Thai man.

11 hours ago, HampiK said:

I had problems like this yesterday.. I should do a new register and then could not do it...

 

Check in app-store for a newer version. I could do an update yesterday afternoon... after that it worked again

Same with me. Didn't work yesterday or today, until I updated the app. Now it works again. 

12 hours ago, sirineou said:

That was me.

at sixty during a routine physical for certification, a heart murmur was detected, I was told i had to see a cardiologist before my certification was issued. I saw a cardiologist and he said I was born with a bicuspid Aortic heart  valve, where instead of three slits I had  two, and would not certify me. He said I could live 20 years with it, or I could die tomorrow, but he would not certify me. Long story short , I had Aortic valve repayment. 

If I was vaccinated and died a couple of days later , they would had said , healthy marathon runner dies after vaccinated.   

If you died (from a heart attack) shortly after being vaccinated, then there is a probability that the vaccine caused it yes (caused it, as in triggered it).  The shorter the time between vaccination and death/complications, the higher the probability. 

If it happens 5 minutes after, the vaccine surely must be the prime suspect. 

If it happens 20 days later, the probability goes way down.

37 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

According to an article published in the newspaper we can't quote, there have been 28 deaths after vaccination in Thailand that needed investigation. Nearly all jabs until recently in Thailand have been Sinovac.

 

Quite simply, there is no safe vaccine the way many people want it.

 

 

Well, I have been told here that thousands of people in Thailand die every day statistically.  So the chances that these 28 deaths are due to the vaccine is infintely small.  So small, that you can pretty much think of these deaths as NOT being caused by the vaccine.  So I have been told here...

29 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

taking the vaccine is for the good of the world guys.  Just not the way they are selling it or the way you want it to be.  

It'sa bit like paying income tax, it doesn't affect everyone in the same way.  If you are very poor, you actually get a rebate (in a western country).  Middle class, you get screwed.  The rich will worm their way out of paying their fair share somehow.

If you are in a (very) high risk group, I can see you running to the nearest vaccine, yes.

1 hour ago, WhatsNext said:

 

Or dying from AZ induced side effects decades before your average life expectancy because you decided to take a experimental jab based on the MSM spreading fears without taking risk calculations into account.

 

Don't forget : getting the vaccine is a 100% chance if you take it, getting covid in Thailand is a very very small chance, then getting sick of that is a very very small chance again, then dying of that is another very very small chance.

 

Healthy and below 60 ? Your chances of serious side effects from the vaccine are actually higher than dying of covid. Make your choice

 

I am below 60 and healthy, and in Thailand. I do plan to get vaccinated but have some serious reservations about AZ. My choice is basically get AZ in maybe 2 months, or get Moderna in 5 months, say.

Which one is the bigger risk: risking covid for those extra 3 months, or the risk of AZ over Moderna? I'll go with Moderna. 

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Playing devils advocate here - I’ve made my point enough already I think. 

 

1) She was on medication for migraines (pain in the brain) and died of a brain problem (a seizure). Is the fact that she was prescribed medication indication of an underlying condition? - the medication didn’t kill her, the underlying condition did. 

 

2) Migraine Meds in conjunction with her vaccine cause the seizure? possible. 

 

3) Vaccine on is own cause the seizure? again, possible. 

 

All of these are possibilities......  depending on ones level of ‘vaccine concern' why is it so readily assumed, by many that the cause of death was the vaccine. 

 

I doubt we will ever find out for certain. But one thing is for sure, the media and those who may be described as ‘anti-covid-vaxxers’ will count this as a ‘vaccine death’ and won’t let any other realistic possibilities interfere with their bias. 

 

 

 

 

1. The meds or the underlying condition may have killed her, yes.  It's the TIMING that makes this case so suspicious and shifts the probability towards the vaccin.  She presumably had the condition for a while, had taken the meds before.  And then 4 hours or so after the vaccin she is dead.

2. meds + vaccine cause the seizure and death.  Well, if true, certainly the case can be made that without the vaccine, she would still be alive.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

My point is that the lady died 15 minutes after taking migraine medication... so why blame anything else ?

Answer: Because all possibilities exist. So, why is only the vaccine being blamed ?

 

The vaccine is ofcourse a possible cause of seizure and death, but the patient was also on migraine medication, not heart medication, or medication for arthritis etc... but specifically medication for the ‘brain’.... the lady died while having a seizure. 

 

 

Shall we look at the patient / deceased: Someone who has been having headaches / migraines, doctors have prescribed her ‘migraine medication’... maybe the Dr’s were correct. Or, maybe her headaches / migraines were a symptom of something else.....  Then she had a seizure. 

 

Was her seizure caused by the Migraine medication ? was her seizure caused by the vaccine ? or was her seizure going to happen anyway because she had an existing brain condition ?

 

 

None of this seems to matter to those who are intent of blaming the vaccine.

 

I reiterate, the vaccine could have been the cause, but lets not blindly omit other information available to us just suit an anti-covid-vaccine agenda - that is confirmation bias.

 

 

 

Presumably she didn't get the migraine medication at the same time as her vaccin in a one stop shopping exercise.  That being so, she had taken the migraine meds before, and they had not killed her, or caused any serious effects.

1. was this time the unlucky time, where the migraine meds would cause a seizure and kill her?  Even though they did not the previous times?

2. Did the migraine meds IN CONJUNCTION WITH the vaccin cause the seizure?  Or maybe just the vaccin on its own?

Again, the probabilities is more likely to be number 2.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

A complete and total guess on your part. No screening whatsoever, just a medical questionnaire (we can argue the semantics of whether or not that means ’screening’ but I just ticked no for everything so I could get the vaccine). 

If you want to knowingly lie on the questionnaire, that's your prerogative.  I don't see how that's not screening.

Flight attendant to traveller: do you have any nut allergies?

Traveller: no

Flight attendant:  well, here is a bag of peanuts then

Parents of traveller: we are suing you for the death of our son!!!

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It is not impossible that the vaccine caused the death of this lady. Neither is it impossible that an existing medical cerebral problem (she had migraine medication to hand) caused the seizure and the timing was coincidence. 

 

Based on statistics 1526 people will die every hour in Thailand, with mass vaccination campaigns underway some of those deaths will be within 24 hrs of taking a vaccine. 

 

Thus: Did the vaccine cause the migraine? did the migraine medication cause the seizure ? did the vaccine cause the seizure outright irrelevant of the medication? or is all of the above irrelevant and the lady had a medical condition anyway the timing in relationship to the vaccine is nothing more than coincidence?

 

 

 

At least you are acknowledging that the cause might have been the vaccine, we are getting somewhere.  It may or may not have been the vaccine, but with what is known (been made public) so far, for me, the number 1 suspect in this case is the vaccine.  Maybe not on it's own, possibly as a trigger, or in combination with her other meds.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I wanted to address this point separately. 

 

The lady died within hours of the vaccine - you suspect the vaccine. 

The lady died within 15 mins of taking migraine medication - you suspect the vaccine. 

 

 

 

 

 

Paracetamol has been around for a long time, and used a lot.  That's plenty of data saying that such rapid death was caused by those 2 Paracetamols alone (i.e. not in conjunction with the AZ vaccine) is exceedingly small.

She quite possibly has a drink of water in the preceeding 4 (or 8 ) hours too.  Same logic, water causing a seizure leading to death isn't so common, so you don't suspect that either.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You mean like the 1 in 4 people world wide who die from a conditions related to Thrombosis ?

 

More people die of Thrombosis than car accidents, breast cancer road traffic accidents..... 

 

https://www.worldthrombosisday.org/issue/thrombosis/

 

900,000 people in the US suffer a thrombotic event each year - 1 in 9 of them die. 

 

 

We are being told to remain hydrated by every medical professional we come across ??? why ???

Thrombosis is one of the greatest silent killers known. 

 

So... Of course some of the people who have been vaccinated suffer from a Thrombotic condition... it was always going to happen. 

 

1. The woman in the OP didn't die from Trombosis, or an trombotic event.  The current reported cause was she died from a seizure.

"She then took two paracetamol tablets in the evening, followed by her migraine medication about four hours later.   15 minutes after, she had a seizure."

2. The link between the AZ vaccine and blood clots has been known for a while now.  I am sure they screen people for trombosis before administering AZ.  This means that any recent cases of blood clots are happening in people with no peviously known trombosis/clotting problems.

3. She started feeling unwell, and died within hours of the vaccin.  Not "between 4 and 22 days" as in the cases of most blood clots.  This makes it far more suspicious and likely that it was caused/triggered by the vaccin.  Look at it this way: if the seizure happened within 5 minutes of the vaccin, the suspicion would be even much stronger.

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Thailand....

 

A person dies approximately every 59.85 seconds

Number of deaths per year: 526,938

Number of deaths per day: 1,444

Number of deaths per hour: 60

 

 

Most of those deaths happen for an obvious reason though: traffic accident, old and poor health, getting stabbed, imitating superman from the balcony.  How many of those deaths happen to healthy people in good health, shortly after getting a covid vaccine?

Just now, jacko45k said:

Police claimed they had a search warrant, although it sounds more like a raid than a search. The Chinese guy fired on them before they entered the house.

FRom the video it sure looks like the shots were fired inside the house, at people who were already inside the house.

4 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

But is it filming at the exact same time?  ????

There is a date and time stamp on the video from that camera.  Can that be tampered with, can video be altered?  Maybe, but it doesn't appear so.  And doing so actually does NOT support the cause of the occupants of the house at all.  Their best defence is: "some rabble ran into house, looking like they were up to no good, no ID, no warrant, I shot out of fear and in self defence, everything happened in a matter of seconds" 

Just now, Leaver said:

 

The time in the CCTV NVR or DVR could be wrong in the settings. Also, there could have been two CCTV systems.  Not surprising, given it's a large house.  

It is the same camera.  Labelled as "camera F2" in the video.  Filming the exact same door, from the exact same angle.

Just now, Leaver said:

 

The pistol was used INSIDE the the property on people that did not show, or prove to the occupant, they were police. 

 

You haven't put forward an opinion.  You have only put forward a belief in the Chief's statement.     

Actually, the really puzzling part is that according to the timestamps of the video, the shooting started 1 full hour after the police had entered that door (which allegedly leads to a bedroom).  1 hour later, and the occupants of the house are still armed, or able to get their hands on a gun?

9 minutes ago, JamieM said:

Also they won't send in the special forces with with long arms for a guy with one pistol.

 

Poppycock.  If you know the guy armed (and according to you that might be the reason for the search and enter to begin with), then you don't show up in shorts and flip flops.  The police would make sure they outgun you by a lot to discourage even the thought of a firefight.

Just now, JamieM said:

If you read what I wrote again I suggested a gardener / maid or henchman could have opened the door. This guy was not alone.

You are demanding proof for points that others make.  For you own points, you just grab  something from La-La-Land.

6 minutes ago, JamieM said:

 

There seems to be a lot we don't know here to be honest, also the Chief claims the video was edited by Chinese state media to look bad.  It could be that before the video (that we have seen) started someone knocked on the door with a badge and got the door slammed in their face (it's all speculation at this point).

 

So the police knocked with badge in hand first?  And that's why the Chinese guy by the swimming was totally surprised to see people running towards the house from the back?  SMH...