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32 minutes ago, Pib said:
The comments at the bottom are pretty good but the overall rating is not accurate in my opinion.
Both Fox and CNN have two categories - news and opinion.
For opinion I would say Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham etc are MUCH more likely to distort, mislead, lie, and exaggerate wildly than Chris Cuomo or Don Lemon, who rarely tell lies. I have seen the latter correct there mistakes if they did so. But all four have an agenda based on their point of view.
Similarly the news on Fox is, in my opinion, much more likely to exaggerate wildly to promote their agenda. The violence in the streets bit is a good example. It was a small thing but they exaggerated it as though everyone in the suburbs was at risk and it was all the left's fault. Some may say CNN did the same thing with coronavirus. But that was a thing.
Some Fox news is OK. Chris Wallace is good.
CNN's is more likely overall to be factual, but it clearly has a left slant, and may omit positive Trump news.
So both are biased but to say they are on the same level, being mixed, is generous to Fox and not in my opinion correct.
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Boy. If Fox News is too leftie then you are pretty far to the right in my opinion. Surely Hannity and Carlson can hit the spot for you.
I get that CNN is against Trump but it's hard to be otherwise given the man he is. I doubt you'll find lies on CNN but they wont tell good news Trump stories on the economy etc. CNN is slanted whereas Fox News is much more biased or they tell straight out lies.
The Drudge Report is interesting because it seemed to have a more right wing slant to it before but now is more balanced or even anti Trump in the news it promotes. I like it.
RT is clever in it's bias because it does some good journalism here and there but then has subtle and not so subtle jabs at democracy, and the left, and of course is pro Putin.
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I think Trump just wants to come across as Boss man in charge of his world. That's why he's being seen to be playing golf as though he hasn't got a care in the world and partly why he'll sack some people like this.
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8 hours ago, connda said:Sad that we live in a world where deceit and deception are rife across political divides.
So many people believe that the ends justifies the means. It does not.
Here's the bottom line regarding the current state of the presidential elections:
State legislatures and the Electoral College are the bodies that certify presidential elections <period>.
Come January 20, 2021 we should know who the POTUS is. Until then? If it's not official then it's just as fake at that headline you pointed out to me. Moral relativity doesn't make a fake headline wrong and a fake proclamation of presidential election results right. At best, the media statements are their own projections and nothing more.
So - let's wait and see.I hope it was food for thought when it was a Trump staffer that presented that fake front page. You are correct to say that Biden isn't formally going to be president as of today but the decisions made by the press to call a winner were the same as has been done for over 150 years or more.
At best the media statements are more than what you say - they are based on counted votes and the fact that there is little or no evidence of significant mistakes or fraud. The media made the same decision in 2016 with Trump.
The difference this year is that Trump and his cohorts are raising lots of red herrings about what might be.
By all means Trump can have his day in court but the press are correct to call the winner based on available facts.
As you know it's the trick of dictators to diminish the press and confuse voters. I hope you can consider that to a lesser degree that might be what is going on here.
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1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:
Not good enough. The poster above claimed the 6,000 vote "mistake" was a myth. Didn't happen. Called it an "Alledged" incident.
Yet here you claim it's already been investigated. But to whose satisfaction? and were there full investigations of every other country countrywide that used the same software? Why did I not read full reports into the investigation on CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, AP? How are posters still able to dub the incident a fallacy?
You can see the difference of opinion between two democrat supporters(6,000 vote switcheroo didn't happen at all vs happened but was fixed and all cool now), right? For the last time. Without exhaustive investigations into the fraud which Trump speaks of, Biden will never be legitimate.
FTR seeing the reaction to these issues, I want to see a full audit for each and every vote. Regardless of the media rage and how long it takes.
In every election there are issues that arise. In 2004 John Kerry could have won if he flipped Ohio. He lost it by just 2 per cent. He saw a few irregularities but he had the sense to see they wouldn't amount to much, and that he could look into them in any case, and he conceded. For the good of the democracy.
In this case multiple major things would have to happen for Trump to win. There is no evidence at this stage for fraud. For the best interests of the country he could look at the bigger picture and concede.
If suddenly, some unlikely fraud or mistakes in multiple states is unearthed, conceding doesn't stop the possibility of the decision being reversed.
It's just about looking at reality and about doing the right thing.
But let him do his thing. It just confirms the sort of man we all thought he was.
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No 1 on iTunes is FDT. I wonder what it stands for. Not that into rap but this is quite a toe tapper.
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2 hours ago, DoctorG said:What are the haters going to do all day now? The daily bouts of Trump bashing will be pointless. I fear some <deleted> withdrawal symptoms for some on here.
I doubt it. Feels so good to think of Trump gone and Biden as president.
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Dictators are dictators. Call them King, or Dear Leader of North Korea, or President of Russia. Putin is still quiet about the result. This is a shot in the arm for democracy around the world.
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3 minutes ago, sucit said:
Again, not sure why you think I would need to be for Trump when I speak about Biden. You guys' eyes of the world are shut. It is not black or white.
Yes, as I said, you are fine with a president who plagiarized multiple times at professional levels. He made the "mistake" multiple times, and did not seem to care to change.
You said it was ok because it was in 1988. I said, why are crimes from 1988 ok? Do you have an answer? Is everything I do ok, if it was 1988 or before? It is your logic, not mine. Defend it.
You seem fixated with this. I didn't say it was OK. I said people make mistakes. Some people learn from their mistakes. I believe Biden is a good man and if the worst thing he has done is this I don't see it as a major thing. Reading a speech from a similar left leaning leader and liking it's tone and using it is a mistake but really do you think it should stop someone moving on with their life.
On the day of his acceptance speech if this is your biggest concern then that's fine.
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3 minutes ago, greenhornfarang said:Hunter was paid a lot of money from China and Ukraine just for being Biden's son.
The proof isn't there. On a happy day like this I don't want to get bogged down with this sort of thing.
The worst I see is that Hunter is a bit troubled and got a job he probably didn't deserve and maybe he made claims about availability to his father he shouldn't have. No proof of Joe Biden wrongdoing.
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1 minute ago, sucit said:You are probably one of the last people on earth who does not know Biden is bought.
What happened to rationalizing and defending the plagiarism? Gave up on that one? I don't blame you.
I got one for you all, I could be wrong, call me out....
Name me one president or major politician who has blatantly, word for word, plagiarized multiple speeches. Oh, you can't? Right. That is because that is behavior that simply never happens, that is off the deep end. The only way you can come back from something like that: corporate backing. Now THAT, Biden is very good at.
You are just making stuff up. You haven't provided proof regarding being beholden to corporate interests so I'll leave it there.
In terms of the plagiarism I'll say it again.
I agree that he did it and it's not good. He made a mistake and paid the price. In 1988.
Comparing rape and plagiarism is in my mind ridiculous. To plagiarise a speech is lazy and silly but to my mind not earth shatteringly bad. I think most people would concur.
You are picking one mistake he made and ignoring the 1000's of lies, that have much worse implications than a plagiarised speech, from Trump.
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6 minutes ago, sucit said:
What on earth does "1988" have to do with anything? He was a professional politician. He was not in 5th grade. Would rape be ok if it was in 1988. Stop rationalizing. Just accept that the president is a complete wreck.
He is here because he is a bought candidate. You seem to confuse being bought with being a fighter.
Who is he bought by? Where's you proof? Sorry Sucit I am not sure what you are referring to.
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3 minutes ago, sucit said:
"Finding inspiration" lol enough said, really.
I am not denying it was plagiarism. I am just saying it was 1988 and that worse things happen. He copied parts of the British Labour leaders speech. He paid the price. But he kept fighting and here he is.
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1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:Well, we'll see if he makes it through the whole four years, if he is confirmed as winning.
I'm not sure how they can keep him in a basement or away from media if he is actually president. I guess he will either find a new lease of life somehow, make it through four years of being bumbling and doddery but somehow it gets ignored, or he'll have to step down at some point due to ill health. The right will only be able to say "I told you so", nothing will ever come of it.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Where is this coming from? Give him a chance. You're sounding like a sore loser.
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5 minutes ago, sucit said:There are much stronger knocks on Biden. He basically plagerized famous leaders in many of his speeches. This is sociopathic behavior. Of course, this didn't get reported by the media because he is a corporate backed candidate.
I mean, our president copied speeches of other leaders. What does that say about someone who knows he is speaking to a huge audience. How could one think he could get away with that? Even if you think you will get away with it, how is it ok?
That has been widely reported by both CNN and Fox. That was in 1988. He made mistakes. People can learn from mistakes. I think there's worse mistakes than finding inspiration from other speeches.
He's not perfect. He doesn't pretend to be.
It's interesting you focus on a lie in the last century but Trump has 1000's and 1000's and you don't discuss that in such detail.
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1 hour ago, sucit said:I am not a Trump supporter.
But, answer this. If everyone is so high on Biden right now, and not just high because of their hate for Trump, why was a basically a huge underperformer in much of the primary? He was almost universally ignored, which was scary given his name recognition. But, now that he's won, he is the greatest. People are just happy because they hate Trump. Biden is in no way a strong, admirable candidate, and people know it.
I couldn't disagree more. People like the fact that he is one of the people. He has many struggles to overcome from a stutter, to losing half of his family in a car accident, to failed bids as president. The fact that he was ignored at one point in the primaries just shows his strength in character to keep fighting.
I think people see him as a decent man who is smart enough to get the best and smartest around him to do the job.
He and Kamala's speech were unifying and refreshing and had a bit of heart and soul. Something not seen for four years.
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3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:Didn't achieve control of the senate which was seen before as more likely than not.
You're probably aware that if they can win the two Georgia seats in the runoff in January they are 50 50 with Vice president with the deciding vote. So not too bad.
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39 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:
If either of the two sides is happiest with the result, then I'd be tempted to say it's the Republicans even if they lose the WH.
I take your point that aspects of the outcome were disappointing for Democrats. But to say that the Republicans will be happier than the Democrats with getting Biden into the White House, the House remaining with the Democrats and the Democrats still having a shot at the Senate, is drawing a long bow.
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Just now, FritsSikkink said:
Where is the link?
It's a couple of posts down. The Antifa thing was a joke. By the reaction not one of my best.
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21 minutes ago, polpott said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/30/us/broward-county-dead-people-register-to-vote/index.html
A ham fisted attempt that failed at the first hurdle. Although the majority of the dead people were registered Democrats that isn't evidence that the intention was to vote for the Democrat candidate.
Antifa is not mentioned.
Corpus Christie was making a joke about the nefarious ways Antifa could get fake votes - grannies etc. I was taking the joke a step further suggesting Antifa were behind registering dead people and how done enough times it could have led to a Biden win. A joke.
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4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:
Not necessarily Grannies, any person that doesnt usually vote .
Actually in Florida they received 50 voter registrations listed as Democrat from dead people. Sneaky Antifa. Do that 5000 times in the key states and they get their man in the White House.
Source CNN 30 October 2020
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35 minutes ago, sucit said:Peoples' opinions are driven by their hate of Trump. They don't actually think about the issues at hand, they just think "I hate Trump". That is their go to for everything. What then happens is they can't see erroneous polling data could have been very influential and could have been coordinated. Newscasters say "Trump is making false statements" when they have absolutely no journalistic material that proves he is making false statements.
I don't think that's true. Most democrats are just waiting for the votes to be counted which, based on current results, indicates Biden is a likely winner.
The Biden rallies I see has people dancing. The Trump ones have people whining.
Trump is suggesting there is illegal votes being counted. No evidence has been provided of this. They have started various legal proceedings which is their right. So far they have failed in terms of substantive outcomes.
All the news services I have seen have put it in these terms.
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On the first night after the election I thought the Lincoln Project had been all for naught. They must have been extremely disappointed with some of the house and senate results. Lindsay Graham. Oh my god.
Some of their adds just seemed to be preaching to the converted.
Now though with a pretty much certain Biden win, and the 2 senates seats in Georgia up for runoff, the Lincoln Project might have been the difference or at least been a help.
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Steve Bannon apparently said Christopher Wray and Anthony Fauci could be beheaded and there heads put on a pike as a warning to federal bureaucrats.
In one way it is fun to watch Trump and his supporters flail and moan and litigate and struggle to come up with new conspiracy theories as to corruption in the election.
In another way it's worrisome to see where this heads if Trump supporters take seriously the stuff he and his cronies are putting forward.
Come on Donald leave with just a tiny tiny shred of dignity if any shreds are left.
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