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Most polls conduced over the years show Hamas enjoys solid popular support (about half of the voter base, or a bit less). This includes both Gaza residents and those on the West Bank. Further, who will 'allow' this? Israel? Then the results would be seen as illegitimate. The PA? Same thing. International involvement? Again, the same.

Thailand is on the side on not having foreign retaliation vengeance terrorist acts carried out within it's borders. 2012 Bangkok bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Bangkok_bombings

Not in Gaza. Working in the area attacked within Israel near Gaza. Shoddy reporting, or editing.

They were not asked to leave the Gaza Strip, but evacuate their homes, and stay away from Hamas facilities. And they could easily leave, if Egypt will open the gates for them - which it does not. Not a word from you on this. Usually what happens is that some evacuate in an unorganized manner (Hamas does not help with that) and some stay. Then they tend to congregate in several areas, generally to the south of the Strip, and along the beach. Some go as close as possible to the Egyptian border, figuring Israel would be more careful bombing there. People who celebrate the murder of innocents and civilians are scum.

There was talk about c-130's, not 'jets'. Easier to do with commercial passenger planes anyway. And no, they are not paying for it from their own pocket, as far as I'm aware.

Constant excuses and deflections speak for themselves.

I go for door #2.

Aljazeera may be a good source for some news, not for all. As a channel owned by Qatar, it covers (or avoids covering) certain issues from a prescribed position, rather than an objective one. Its reports regarding the Israeli Palestinian conflict fall into the category of taken-with-a-grain-of-salt. It's always a better idea not to rely on a single source of news, especially one with a rather obvious bias. @thaibeachlovers relies almost exclusively on Aljazeera bias to confirm his own bias. Hence the often raised comments.

Perhaps Hamas should have seen it coming? Perhaps the people of Gaza, the Palestinians whom you 'support' should re-think accepting such a leadership?

Before the Intifadas, Israel was flooded with Palestinian workers. Then followed security curbs, work permits, quotas on work permits etc. With Hamas getting control of the Gaza Strip, restrictions became even harsher for Palestinians in Gaza wishing to work in Israel. There are (or, after yesterday, were), I think, about 20-30 thousands issued work permits (including traders) in Israel, with most employed in industrial estates near the border passes. It's not that they do not want to work - Hamas policies and Israel's security concerns are in the way. Thai workers largely became a 'thing' in Israel as a replacement for Palestinians.

Very few on here are able to discuss such things without taking hyper partisan positions, or having command of facts. If you want to pin the current attack on what you outlined - you'd have to account for this attack obviously being a long time (months and longer) in the planning. I'm not saying it's detached of more recent events, just that it's doubtful one specific cause is to blame. For example, if Iranian involvement was a indeed a thing, then the timeline would could be tied to their own vendetta vs. Israel. This could certainly have been a merging of interests. Another example? Hamas often cites Al Aqsa as central to their reactions. This is mostly to steer supporters rather having concrete grounds.

Are you calling the Palestinians 'uncivilized'?

Israel already withdrew from the Gaza Strip. Nothing changed much. You're suggesting this be tried on a wider level. This while ignoring Hamas's own words, agenda and actions - to the effect that they are not planning to give up the river-to-the-sea notion.

About a thousand Israelis were killed in a single day. No 'heavy weapons' (unless rocket launchers are counted as such) needed. Do you have an actual point?

Seems like you're alright with Hamas's 'revenge killing' and got no time to address its consequences.

You have not offered a single credible way of addressing the current situation, in the here and now. All you have is waffle, touting one sided narrative and deflections.

My post was about public sentiments and reactions on both sides. You either responded to a different post, or trying yet again to deflect. Twist it as you like, no. Intentionally killing civilians at their home, is not the same as citizens getting killed when military targets placed near them are attacked. One is plain murder, the other a regretful but almost unavoidable part of modern warfare.

The comment I responded to tied the beginning of hostilities to Israel's inception as an independent state. I was pointing out that it started well before that. It was not an irrelevant reference to biblical times.

Or if even half of it would have been invested in bomb shelters for the Gazans....

The USA provides Israel with an annual 3 Billion $ 'Buy American' coupon. You're offering that a single attack cost double than this? Reconstruction budgets for the Gaza Strip after previous were circa 3-5 Billion $, for reference.

No, they haven't. Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. Up until yesterday talk even talk about temporarily conquering it again (which surfaced on previous fighting rounds) was widely considered lunacy.

How much funding do you estimate this attack required? It's not like they've used much expensive hardware for the ground attack. The rockets are another matter, but apparently they are able to restock them between each round of fighting. Don't know that they needed any extra funds for that. Hamas got means of it's own - through various supporter (state and non-state), bitcoin action, taxes and monies from the populace, and so on. The attack was obviously planned months ago, if not more. It is very unlikely that is was 'funded' only a month before it was launched. If Iran funded this, it would have had no trouble doing so using existing funds. Same way it supports several similar outfits in the region. The notion that they were waiting just for this particular money transfer is preposterous, and doesn't fit the timeline anyway.

The usual mediators in such matters are either Egypt or Qatar.

EU freezes development aid to Palestinians after Hamas attack https://www.reuters.com/world/germany-austria-suspend-bilateral-aid-palestinians-after-hamas-attack-2023-10-09/ As I understand, this applies to the West Bank as well. Good show, Hamas - although no doubt the anger would be directed at EU representatives, and even the projects halted/funded.

Yawn. That was point. Good job.