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Yes he met them maybe multiple times. 9 takeaways from Karen McDougal’s interview Updated 12:21 PM EDT, Fri March 23, 2018 Didn’t keep evidence of relationship Cooper asked McDougal if she kept any text messages, photographs or videos as proof of her and Trump’s alleged affair. “Let me just say this, if you’re in a loving relationship, do you try and collect evidence?” she said. She said the only thing she kept was a daily journal, which she shared with CNN, claiming it documented the time she saw Trump. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/karen-mcdougal-anderson-cooper-interview-highlights/index.html

Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger countered that "the details of her story are important" while saying the prosecution will not ask about "certain details that might be too salacious." She said Daniels would be asked to testify about "how she ended up engaging in a sexual act." "It's not going to include any details about genitalia or anything of that nature," Hoffinger said. https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-trial-testimony-bookkeeping-gag-order-contempt/

Judge Juan Merchan acknowledged Necheles' point that Daniels has "credibility issues," but said that supported prosecutors' need "to elicit certain details that led to the sexual encounter." https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-trial-testimony-bookkeeping-gag-order-contempt/

Her testimony is just that. No corroborable evidence that the encounter was as she described.

I believe in corroborable evidence which neither of them have.

From the live update link: "Adult film star Stormy Daniels dished out salacious details of her sexual encounter with former President Donald Trump in 2006 from the witness stand on Tuesday, describing how they met at a celebrity golf tournament and what she says happened when she went to Trump’s Lake Tahoe hotel room." That's OK. We have learned from E. Jean Carroll that some women can give detailed testimony about a sexual encounter that maybe never took place.

Headlines from Jonathan Alter, NY Times Opinion writer: The Boring Documents That May Be Devastating to Trump In a case about falsified records, it's the records themselves that count the most May 6, 2024 Stormy Daniels Was Entertaining, but Did She Make a Real Impact? Jurors may believe she and Trump had a tryst, but not necessarily her entire testimony May 7 2024 NB Mr. Alter was inside the courtroom

NY Penal Law § 170.10: Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/06/nyregion/trump-trial-gag-order-hush-money.html Both phases of the case, the captivating sleaze and the stultifying records, are essential to proving the charges. New York law requires prosecutors to show that Mr. Trump falsified the records to conceal another crime, in this case, what the prosecution says was a conspiracy to influence the election by concealing damaging stories from voters. * § 17–152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlaw- ful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. (L.1976, c. 233 , § 1.) *

In a short, 30-minute opening statement, Blanche offered several lines of defense for the former president. First, Blanche disputed a core claim underlying the prosecution’s case: that Trump reimbursed Cohen for the hush money payment to Daniels. Checks that Trump cut to Cohen in 2017 were actually for legitimate legal services Cohen provided, Blanche said. “He was President Trump’s personal attorney. You will see documents, you will see emails,” Blanche told jurors. “His signature block in 2017 said, ‘Michael Cohen, personal attorney to President Trump.’” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/22/trump-trial-opening-statements-takeaways-00153719

Why Does Trump Face Felony Charges? Prosecutors Say He Was Hiding Other Crimes. Donald J. Trump faces 34 felony counts in his Manhattan trial, but none involve the other misconduct that prosecutors say he engaged in. By The New York Times May 6, 2024, 1:41 p.m. ET https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/06/nyregion/trump-charges-felonies.html What crimes do prosecutors believe Trump was trying to conceal? Prosecutors have suggested three possible crimes since filing the charges against Mr. Trump last year: a federal campaign finance violation, tax fraud and a state election-law crime. But since the start of the trial, they have largely focused on the state election-law crime: conspiracy to promote or prevent election. ****************** REDUX * § 17–152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlaw- ful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. (L.1976, c. 233 , § 1.) * As posted above the statute refers to "unlawful means" but it does not say what constitutes 'unlawful means'. I decided to try to find out in all the other previous prosecutions of the statute, since that statute dates from 1976, what constituted "unlawful" means. But I could not. As best as can be determined, even by lawyers with years' experience prosecuting election violations in NY State, that statute has NEVER been prosecuted so there is no trail of what constitutes "unlawful means". So even though Judge Merchan in a ruling has said that the statute is applicable as a possible (an)other crime, they first have to justify without precedent what constitutes "unlawful means". In other words they would be using a 2 part if-then statute to justify a two part if-then statute. Or as one NY State election lawyer put it: Crimes, within crimes, within crimes. * https://elections.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/04/508_ny-election-law-2024-edition_0.pdf STATE OF NEW YORK 2024 ELECTION LAW

The indictment names Donald J. Trump.

Using the personal funds of the candidate When candidates use their personal funds for campaign purposes, they are making contributions to their campaigns. Candidate contributions to their own campaigns are not subject to any limits. They must, however, be reported. https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/using-personal-funds-candidate/ There has been some suggestion that the hush money payments might somehow violate federal election laws, although I have never understood how using one’s own money to pay for the non-disclosure of embarrassing allegations would violate the election laws, which are primarily concerned with the solicitation and use of campaign contributions by third parties. Even if the government wanted to charge Trump now for violating the election law in 2016, those charges would likely be barred by the applicable statute of limitations. https://news.syr.edu/blog/2024/04/16/pitch-legal-analysis-of-hush-money-trial-facing-former-president-donald-trump/

There are 34 counts in the Trump indictment each listing "another crime". The "another crime" could be the same crime for all of the 34 counts or each could be for a different crime. DA Bragg has yet to say.

Keith Davidson, Stormy Daniel's attorney who testified about who approached who, was a Prosecution witness.

NEWS • PRESS RELEASES District Attorney Bragg Announces 34-Count Felony Indictment of Former President Donald J. Trump APRIL 4, 2023

NEWS • PRESS RELEASES District Attorney Bragg Announces Matthew Colangelo as New Senior Counsel DECEMBER 5, 2022 https://manhattanda.org/district-attorney-bragg-announces-matthew-colangelo-as-new-senior-counsel/

I have found out on here that doesn't make any difference unless you are sufficiently against Trump.

* § 17–152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlaw- ful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. (L.1976, c. 233 , § 1.) * As posted above the statute refers to "unlawful means" but it does not say what constitutes 'unlawful means'. I decided to try to find out in all the other previous prosecutions of the statute, since that statute dates from 1976, what constituted "unlawful" means. But I could not. As best as can be determined even by lawyers with years' experience prosecuting election violations in NY State, that statute has NEVER been prosecuted so there is no trail of what constitutes "unlawful means". So even though Judge Merchan in a ruling has said that the statute is applicable as a possible (an)other crime, they first have to justify without precedent what constitutes "unlawful means". In other words they would be using a 2 part if-then statute to justify a two part if-then statute. Or as one NY State election lawyer put it: Crimes, within crimes, within crimes. * https://elections.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/04/508_ny-election-law-2024-edition_0.pdf STATE OF NEW YORK 2024 ELECTION LAW

My experience flying from USA with many airlines is that they will hold (in this case) the Taipei to Bangkok flight if they know there are connecting passengers as long as the hold is minimal.

This is from the indictment and repeated for each of the 34 charges: The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, There is no mention or charge of election interference in the indictment, only "another crime". https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

I think you are maybe confounding the Indictment with the "statement of facts". Read the full Trump indictment and statement of facts https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/04/read-the-trump-indictment-document-00087925

Thank you again for your opinion.

The other said is already well represented.

There are plenty enough on here who support the Prosecution. There are also plenty enough left-leaning legal scholars and former Prosecutors who are not happy with the mechanics of the Bragg case.

Hicks helps Trump’s ‘Melania’ defense Hicks handed a gift to Trump when she testified on direct examination that the reaction of his wife Melania was his biggest concern on the morning that the Wall Street Journal article detailing the hush-money payments came out three days before the 2016 election. “He was concerned about how it would be viewed by his wife,” Hicks said. The Trump team suggested in opening statements that the main reason why the catch-and-kill scheme to buy Daniels’s story happened was because Trump found it embarrassing for him and for Melania – an alternative explanation to prosecutors’ case that it was to influence the election. Prosecutors subsequently tried to have Hicks add that Trump was also concerned about those stories derailing his 2016 campaign, but Hicks only offered that Trump was always asking how certain news would “play” with voters. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/03/trump-trial-hope-hicks-testimony-key-takeaways