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2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I did not say or imply that.  Although ignorant, arrogant, reckless locals, expats, immigrant workers & tourist (dom & int'l) certainly added to the problem / #s.

 

OP is about the T&G policy, or non 16 day quarantine.   That's what I'm addressing.  When having 16 day quarantine for all, clusters were manageable.  Without the 16 day quarantine, arriving  infections, and flat out stupid behavior of all, and the clusters were no longer manageable.

 

Lack of quarantine, or the failed Sandbox & T&G schemes were for developing an already crushed tourism economy, for the benefit of the very few still invested in it.  Nothing like feeding the fire.  Went from 3000+ deaths back in July, call it August, when Sandbox opened to now 20,000+ death.  Smart move.

 

To your early comment, since covid is not endemic, or wasn't 2 yrs ago, yes, tourism is to blame.  Now it's shared by all who act irresponsible.

 

And yet, I've been called irresponsible & selfish, more than a few times by more than a few members, because I'm not vax'd and went out & about.  Around the whole country a few times, matter of fact.  And yet, listening and following 'most' of the practical advice, from smarter people than myself, I didn't get or spread the virus.

 

BUT ... I simply practiced self distancing, without or with a mask when called for.   Didn't attend crowded events, didn't Q up or visit crowded restaurants, ate off hours (my norm anyway).

 

Simply practiced that very uncommon common sense.

 

Want to save lives and stop the spread ... 16 day quarantine for all arrivals.  International Tourism - DNR to safe to restart, develop domestic tourism in the meantime. 

 

 

Your lack of knowledge is stunning.

US is recommending 5 day quarantine for omicron.

Where do you get your ridiculous 16 days.

The centre for social media science in nakhon nowhere?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html

Makes your utterances even more laughable and irrelevant.

38 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And where was the Delta variant detected first, back in late 2020, though not named until May 2021.

 

India & arrivals from ... 

 

 

Your just repeating the same old nonsense.

Omicron's spread cannot and could not be stopped by shutting borders.

CCP can't stop it spreading internally.

The logical conclusion of your own paranoia is that Thailand locks down villages and cities just like China has just lockdowned a city of 14 million people when a few cases are discovered.

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/travel-bans-red-list-countries-waste-time-uk-omicron-cases-1339335

Now why don't you tell me why you think you know better than Professor Tim Spector?

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

The family & friends of the 21,600+ dead probably think it was a bad idea to cater to the 10 or 15 percent vested in international tourism, as the economic damage was already done after the 1st high season was lost.  Now it's worst, and will take longer to recover.  Along with more dying every day.

 

But hey, as long as the hospitals and hotel hospitals are making money ... that's all that matters.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/70-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-thailand-are-delta-variant-dr-yong/

Better get your facts right.

Blame the Thai Hi So's, not foreign tourists.

They started the Delta wave and the vast majority of those deaths.

What don't you understand?

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Thanks for verifying what I stated.  Notice how it's 'ripped' through the heavy tourist destinations.

 

Less than 100 deaths, before Sandbox & T&G ... how many after ... nuff said

You also seem to have forgotten that the original Delta cluster was started by Hi So Thai's partying in Thong Lor in Bangkok.

That basically caused a 8 month shutdown in the hospitality and entertainment sector.

So you might want to also get your facts right before blaming Johnny Foreigner.

Nuff said (again).

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If it wasn't brought in to the country then the mutation must have taken place in Thailand.

One has to assume you are a very experienced virologist to make the claim that 2 identical mutations can occur in different countries at the same time.

And one would have to expect you don't realise that you have a virus as continuous as measles and that air borders aren't going to stop it's spread.

If tourists don't bring it in then illegals coming over the land borders will.

In the UK cases are falling quickly and it is expected by April the UK government will accept covid as an endemic disease and get back to normal.

The UK is expected to be the first country out of the pandemic.

Of course, the reason for this is the UK's world beating vaccine procurement and deployment of boosters.

Something of course that has been an abject failure of Thailand which has hardly 70% of it's population double jabbed and only 12% boosted.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/uk-could-be-first-country-to-emerge-from-pandemic-expert-says.html?__source=androidappshare

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Remind us, how much tax is there currently on a ticket into Heathrow,  or do  you believe international visitors have a one way ticket.

 

This is what it was 5 years ago for Heathrow.

It is a warped mentality that thinks Thailand should be free and other countries charge what they want.

 

Government, authority and airport charges	Per adult
E7AD	THB 35.00
E7AP	THB 35.00
Passenger Service Charge (Domestic) - Thailand	THB 700.00
Air Passenger Duty - United Kingdom	THB 3,425.00
Passenger Service Charge - United Kingdom	THB 3,010.00
Total government, authority and airport charges* > More information	THB 7,205.00

nmenthority and airport charges

 

Simple answer for you, don't come back to the UK.

You'll not be needing those Astra Zeneca jabs that UK taxes help fund either. You know the non-profit ones that where distributed globally and put in your ungrateful arm.

Didn't hear you whingeing then about the UK.

At least the UK uses taxes for things like furlough schemes to ensure record low unemployment.

Thailand just lines the pockets of it's Hi So's and let's UK farangs feed it's citizens.

For the avoidance of any doubt about the benefits of vaccination and a heavily boosted population.

The appliance of science.

1 hour ago, SymS said:

This is good news, That means COVID-19 should soon be treated like the flu. No more lockdowns, quarantines, and the likes...

Only have to shove swabs up your nose and down your throat to get into the pub.

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/no-home-covid-19-tests-allowed-to-enter-pattaya-bars-385845

If that's Thailand's new normal, they can keep it.

The tourist figures over the next 9 months will back that up.

How wrong many of us where when we thought that tourism's 20% of GDP would be badly missed 

The hi-so's couldn't care less.

For the forum's covid deniers and anti-vaxers.

More data to show the overwhelming benefits of vaccination.

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yesterday the Chonburi new case numbers was 1,342. Today they really expect us to believe it has gone down to 847.

I appreciate all the posters who take the time and effort to publish all the daily figures.

However, what the Thai government feed to the masses is a total disgrace.

Anyone who knows what's going on on the ground in Pattaya, knows that these figures wouldn't even cover bar/entertainment staff that have tested positive and our self isolating.

The Thai government are not only feeding their citizens lies they are sucking some knaive tourists into a covid testing incarceration trap.

It's a disgrace. The unofficial figure in the UK, for a virus as contagious as measles, is 500,000 infections a day.

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

That would make another loss of face. We did not hit 70% by the end of the year. 100 million was only obtained by boosters being added. Hi-Season a loss and not as some stated would be a success. Then add in the Test N Go scheme issues now being felt, and then....well you can keep on adding on more if you want.

A rather crushing but, unfortunately correct, summation of Thailand's response to Covid.

Seems "our friend" has taken a bit of a sabbatical from posting.

Maybe the sheer weight of facts have made him throw in the towel.

However, I some how doubt it.

It's been nice to have fact based discussions without the constant irrelevant, unfactual and infantile interruptions.

There goes the hybrid Pattaya Tree Town "restaurant/bar/knocking shop/brown envelope" model.

At a guess at least a 3 month closure.

Most tourists had bailed when incarceration was brought back.

Plus the great omicron hospital raffle.

Here's your country of origin odds but i don't think includes the bonus ball of anyone sitting in the rows around you on the flight -