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2 minutes ago, khunPer said:
No, I'm referring to the official expressions of "waves", the second wave came from migrant workers in December 2020, while the third wave originated from the VVIP hi-so amusement area in Bangkok - Krystal Club and Emerald Club - end of March 2021 and escalated from April; which is the one you're thinking of.
4th and 5th wave ware not initially mentioned, but recently referred to Delta variant and Omicron variant.
What WHO may think, might be different from what countries with succesful border control experienced, ask what New Zealand and Australia think about that.
I would report you for trolling but to be honest i am beginning to feel sorry for you.
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10 minutes ago, khunPer said:
Agree, but not in official statistics.
More riddles.
Now i want another laugh.
What about delta being spread through Thai HiSo clubs in Thonglor.
Let's see how you can link Cambodian immigrants, dirty foreigners at BKK and farangs not wearing masks into your next fairytale.
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6 minutes ago, khunPer said:
Nothing mentioned about booster, the graphs are correct.
Omicron arrived later in Thailand than Europe, so there is a delay in spread and number of cases compared to Europe. In some European countries the number of new cases hare hitting record high numbers at the moment - rising faster than Thailand, but cannot be easily compared due to number of performed Covid tests and asymptomatic cases - but omicron is less severe according to the experts, so reopening is happening.
Don't forget UK, with about same size of population as Thailand, reported 128 new Covid deaths today, and 34,377 new cases with a total of 1,807,714 active cases. Thailand reported 29 deaths, while number of cases might not be comparable at all due to fewer tests, but the number is lower than UK.
Your talking nonsense.
You seem to think writing more flannel makes you right.
It doesn't. It's rubbish.
Thailand was appauling at its vaccine procurement and it's vaccine campaign.
Omicron spread within weeks throughout the globe.
Thailand still has about 26% of it's population boosted.
Who's fault is that? The UK's?
Why you don't accept the facts is beyond me.
Have another go, your trolling musings are very funny.
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1 hour ago, khunPer said:
That strain of virus in the boxing stadium-cluster was said to come from a Thai migrant worker returning from Italy, which at that time suffered from a new Covid-mutation, different from the original milder Wuham-strain that was already in Thailand...
However, there were later doubt if the strain from Italy was more dangerous.
The second wave came with illegal migrant workers from Myanmar.
Unfortunately there are not anything better to compare with than official facts, what people believe is a private matter.
The delta wave started with HiSo clubs in Thonglor.
Your making stuff up again.
The WHO think border restrictions are a waste of time.
Your clutching for straws.
It is amusing though.
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2 minutes ago, khunPer said:
The number in statistics are vaccinations, not makes or brands. We are not talking about which vaccines are the most efficient, in Europe and Israel - which is among the leading countries when it comes to Covid-vaccinations - people are having their 4th jab as even Pfizer, which many considers as an excellent vaccine, don't give long term protection. UK based their vaccination program on AZ, which Thailand also did, but until AZ became available they used Sinovac.
The graph is supposed to be up to date based on what the individual countries reports, it shows first jab or "partly vaccinated", and so-called "fully vaccinated" with two jabs. It the same for all countries in the graph; what vaccines do you think are used in China?
Except fully vaccinated includes a booster jab.
Telling porky pies again.
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13 minutes ago, khunPer said:
Sorry, but I'm not dishonest, I relay statistics from ourworldindata.org. If you have better comparing sources, please share.
UK total vaccinated first dose in your link is 52,556.789 people of a population of 68,467.516 people, which is 76.76 percent. The percentage of 91,4 shown on the right in your link is of "population aged 12+".Your being dishonest.
Omicron requires a booster dose to be more effective.
UK nearly 70% boosted, Thailand about 26%.
Your twisting facts again, something you seem very apt at.
It would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.
The UK's boosting campaign is why we are going back to normal.
Meanwhile, Thailand's cases are on the rise.
You seem to live in a parallel universe.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3079
This is why Thailand, Hong Kong etc are so far behind.
The developed world got boosted.
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2 minutes ago, khunPer said:Look at the facts of the result so far, Thailand has not performed as bad as some wish, nor is Thailand in the top.
The vaccination stat is here, Thailand almost equals UK...
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Your being dishonest again or just trolling.
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1 minute ago, khunPer said:
You are welcome to think...????
You don't think that's why your posting misinformation masquerading as facts.
Thailand's pandemic response has been a shambles.
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4 minutes ago, khunPer said:
Or it's closed borders that matters, look at New Zealand and Australia, and Thailand's neighbors Cambodia and Vietnam, they also performed well.
Thailand had the first reported Covid case outside China back in January 2020 and closed the borders in March. It was people from outside that brought the new stems of Covid in from July and mainly migrant workers at the end of 2020.
It's indeed the total numbers that show the result of a pandemic.
Even in your fantasy world of Thai success real hospitalisations have quadrupled since the start of the year.
Your idea of success is pretty warped.
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Just now, khunPer said:
I presume this thread is about Covid-19; I got no idea why influenza in UK comes into the picture?
The Thaiger-articles is from July last year with main focus on vaccine rollout, it's little outdated now.
Number of tests does not show the impact of Covid-19. Serious cases in hospital, death and excess mortality rate shows that. However, a high rate of tests might help preventing spread of virus, but so might other precautions like closed borders.
Accumulated test rate per 1,000 people...
Excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries...
Thailand should do extremely bad here, if tests are the important factor.
So let's look compare with Thailand's neighbors and Australia, that has performed quite well, but with both high test rate and closed borders...
And excess deaths per 100,000 people for same countries, please note it's not only Thailand, which has lower deaths than UK that has excess death over 200 (see above graph)...
My point in my first comment is that even if some may not fancy khun Anutin - and even he sometimes makes some odd statements - then statistics talks in his favor here, Thailand has not performed that bad during the Covid-pandemic, when it comes to health and deaths...????
Closed borders are an irrelevance when a virus is wide spread within a country, just as it is in Thailand.
Think horse, stable door, bolted.
You keep repeating Thailand's numbers but you don't seem to understand that i think they are total and utter nonsense.
If you really do believe Thailand's numbers, then real hospitalisations have trebled in the last few months.
A poster has detailed this on the Thailand daily covid thread.
Every aspect of Thailand's response since Delta first surfaced has been pretty much useless.
Sorry.
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12 minutes ago, Pinot said:I've always felt that I was in the best country in the world for handling covid. Thais wear masks. The get inoculated if they can. There isn't any of this antivaxxer nonsense. Prayuth has done a great job of leading Thailand through this.
But you guys... This was a pretty good setup for the haters. Really, the hatred on the forum is amazing.
Yeah, let's let Yingluck run the country again. The last democratically elected PM ran the country into anarchy. She was a moron. I see no viable alternative to the current government that's doing an incredible job.
I just imagine most of you rolling onto your computers after another night of overindulgence and unloading on Thailand and everything else under the sun with more vitriol than a normal pre-alzhimer should have. Some of you need help.
Sorry you can't handle the truth.
Thailand's figures are getting worse and a lot of us live in developed countries that don't have any restrictions.
It's pretty obvious who's through the other side of covid and who's not.
As for doing an incredible job, doubt the residents of Isaan would agree, knee deep in debt with no help from a government watching over the most unequal distribution of wealth in SE Asia.
As for the juvenile insults, you just proved you lost.
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33 minutes ago, khunPer said:
Number of performed tests are useless for comparison, try to compare UK with Denmark.
Your just deflecting.
There was hardly any influenza in the UK because of restrictions.
You believe Thailand's published facts, most of us think their incomplete BS.
Live in your fantasy world.
Thailand ranked third to last.
Absymal vaccine rollout and. economic support
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thailand-ranked-3rd-to-last-worldwide-on-covid-19-handling
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2 minutes ago, khunPer said:Subjective comment about what one believes in - which is alright - but what one believes in, or what things looks like, are not facts. I don't mention what I think...
Here's some facts, UK tested over 1 million people a day.
Thailand about 40,000 proactive tests.
You believe any figures that come out of a country with that amount of testing?
You can insult your own intelligence but don't insult mine.
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6 minutes ago, khunPer said:Not a significant change, have you looked for excess deaths in for example Italy and USA, Italy is number 2 in number of Covid test per million population.
You need to take off your rose tinted glasses.
Numerous posts on this forum about Thailand's excess deaths.
First you bring in influenza as a red herring and then think that people even where tested for covid before they passed away.
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40 minutes ago, ed strong said:
Less than 2 % different in populations between UK and Thailand.
I can't help you if you can't understand the mathematical superior percentages of the UK's vaccination campaign versus Thailand.
They are simple mathematical facts.
What point are you trying to make?
Do you even know yourself?
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6 minutes ago, SymS said:Besides the low death count, Thailand doesn't have many of the (internal) restrictions imposed in other countries. Entertainment venues asides, no closing of small business in favor of larger businesses, and instead they helped small businesses with the "50% each" campaign, no vaccine passport, etc... The vaccination campaign started slowly, but there are now 70% of the population vaccinated.
Thailand was one of the best place to be during the pandemic, and without the news on TV or the Internet, I would have barely noticed.
So good, farang bar owners were feeding the homeless in Pattaya.
While the residents of Isaan get into more and more debt.
No vaccine passport?
Only recently you had to take ATK tests to get into restaurants in Pattaya.
Unbelievable.
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3 hours ago, khunPer said:When looking at facts - i.e. number of deaths with Covid-19 per million - is he actually fairly correct, even some may not appreciate it.
Thailand has 322 deaths per million population as per today.
Lets compare with death per million in some major Western countries...
Canada: 940
France: 2.083
Germany: 1,445
Italy: 2,530
Sweden: 1,648
Switzerland: 1,498
UK: 2,342
USA: 2,868
and the World in average: 756
If tests per million had any significant value, then Denmark would be number one in the World, no other country comes near to the number of Danish's tests with 10,441,550 tests taken per million inhabitants; number two on the list is Italy with only 2,975,910 tests per million. For Denmark that number means that whole population have been tested more than 10 times, yet 10-20 percent of the population have never been near a test-site.
So how well has Denmark then performed during the pandemic in the figure that matters, namely number of deaths per million?
Denmark should be outstanding, if tests has major protection value, but unfortunately the fact is 730 death per million population.Note that Thailand - number 146 down the list in Covid-tests per million - has only 322 death per million population.
You might want to look at excess deaths in Thailand and how rigourous death certification by a doctor is.
In other words, more creative accounting in the land of zero testing.
Amazing how many people are taken in by these conmen.
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1 hour ago, ed strong said:
There are more people fully vaccinated in Thailand then in the UK.
Africa as a continent has less around 80 % of vaccinations than the UK and Thailand. Yet they have far fewer cases and deaths, when i mean far fewer i mean around 70% less.
Just examples that don't add up, Countries seem to just make it up as they go along or get influenced by their bigger brothers, in terms of how the control the data and what gets released.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Suggest you actually get your facts straight.
It's percentage of population that matters.
Your posting misinformation.
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4 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:
Looks like a ladyboy to me.
Thought that was you going into Katheoys'R'Us on Walking Street last week.
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3 minutes ago, connda said:
Can you attribute your statement to a published, scientific study that backs your assertion?
No, not CNN told me..
No, not "my doctor told me."
No, not I read it in the Atlantic.
Can you provide a link to a study published in a well known scientific or medical journal which conclusively proves via statistical significance that 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'
Just link one study from a major journal like The Lancet published in the last 6 months supporting 'vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.'
<insert link here> ????The problem with your natural immunity theory is you have to get the disease first, with no vaccine, and know one knows how that's going to work out.
Severe disease, long covid etc.
The vast majority of medical evidence would suggest meeting the virus having been triple jabbed.
Global morgues are full of people who did their own research and went the natural immunity route.
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44 minutes ago, nchuckle said:Then you need to understand better what is really safer rather than the illusion of preventing something that is already here and is not particularly harmful to most. Assuming you can grasp that then perhaps to understand the damage done and economic costs associated with keeping closed vital industries- because that’s a heavy toll ,just ask tourist industry. It’s not like the no cost precaution of wearing a seat belt.
For those of us in the heavily boosted UK...
Life is back to normal here, covid is accepted, not feared and from the end of February will be treated as the flu.
No doubt readers of this forum, watched the joyful packed maskless stadiums of the six nations rugby.
Meanwhile, it's one step forward and four steps back in the land of disjointed thinking, vaccine rollout and procurement, Thailand..
Over one year since the absymal Thai vaccine campaign began, barely 25% of the population boosted and the Thai PM is still asking for jungle drums to be banged in the villages.
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Richard Barrow has announced the second Thailand Pass scam email in as many days directing to a website that asks for personal details.
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2 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:Thanks as usual to @Bkk Brian@TallGuyJohninBKK
and @anchadian
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Thanks as usual to @Bkk Brian@TallGuyJohninBKK
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Anutin: Thailand's handling of the pandemic "best in the world"
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Looks like someone is posting more misinformation on a dual account. ????