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In my part of the world, the yards that sell this stuff don't usually advertise anywhere, they are typically small family businesses that sell mostly to property developers and anyone looking for bulk supplies such as construction sand and gravel chips for concrete. I just bought six cubic meters of super hard river bank stone, used to protect river banks from water current erosion. I found it at the type of yard I described earlier.

If Pattaya is anything like Chiang Mai in this respect, there will be businesses that sell sand and stone which you'll see piled high in their yards, typically, many will sell pebbles of various sizes in bulk, by the cubic meter. As you're driving around, look for yards containing large piles of sand, soil, gravel, various types of stone and usually cement also....sold by the bag or by the cubic meter. You've probably driven past loads of places without realising. Beware, expect the one inch pebbles to contain much larger stone also, I just bought a cube of one inch and 50% was much much larger.

Seriously? I fell out with them big time last November/December over this. It was the third year in a row they had requested I use their self certification app which doesn't seem to work from Thailand. Once again I had to courier all the documentation to Bristol and wait a week for them to approve it. I was just thinking today that it's that time of year once again but I've not heard anything from them, yet.

I have never ever suggested anybody do anything even remotely similar and I challenge you to prove that I have. You just made that up in order to try and score points because you have nothing of substance, only lies and nonsense that you've invented. Telling people they should push to be issued for a TIN when a TRD employee says they don't need one is in line with what the TRD Code states. The fact some TRD employees don't understand what the Code says is not consistent with TRD's own rules.

I agree with this. I would only add that any perceived lack of current enforcement, doesn't preclude the actions you take (or don't) today, from coming back to bite you at some point in the future. Put another way, if you don't file this year there may not be any immediate negative response, but questions may be asked in fitire years, as to why you did not......that is a the risk

My definition of who must file a tax return and when, is exactly the same as the TRD's and the tax consultancies,....tax residency and assessable income above the 60k threshold. Assessable income excludes exempt income of any type, eg Por 162 exempt or DTA exempt etc. The 60k threshold is BEFORE TEDA is deducted.

Thanks again for the feedback. I agree the ATM transactions are an easy one to decide, the CC trans. are more difficult so what you were told makes sense to me at least.

If I have a choice between deciding whether to follow rules, or, accepting the word of strangers in an anonymous social network forum that the rules wont be enforced hence I don't need to follow them, guess which one wins hands down.

You don't know if it's 1% or any other percent, why would anyone try to quantify something they have almost zero knowledge of.

Same old unsupportable nonsense of Jim's laws on tax: Tax returns All persons earning income are required to file a tax return no later than 31 March of the following year for hardcopy filing and 8 April for online filing, except for individuals whose income from employment is THB 120,000 or less (for single persons) or THB 220,000 or less (for married persons) and in the case of having income from other sources (with or without employment income) of THB 60,000 or less (for single persons) or THB 120,000 or less (for married persons). https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/thailand/individual/tax-administration

I keep dismissing your enforcement aspect for the same reason I dismissed Gant;s earlier opinion: "I think you only have anecdotal data on what the TRD enforces and what it doesn't. You are in no position to substitute your personal "common sense" view, in place of that data and pretend it's national policy". But as I posted previously, the Bangkok Post confirms that several million "null" tax returns were filed in 2023, so somebody must be enforcing something somewhere, either that or Thai people are public spirited and like to follow the letter of the tax law!!!

I think you only have anecdotal data on what the TRD enforces and what it doesn't. You are in no position to substitute your personal "common sense" view, in place of that data and pretend it's national policy.

You don't get to have this same old debate with me for the hundredth time, just because you're bored or you want to bait me. Go pour another drink and then go to bed.

You don't get to tell me what I may and may not post. But I do guarantee I will not post with the intention of baiting you or belittling you personally because of the opinions you hold. That said, if you make a claim about what is right or wrong and advise accordingly, you will need to be able to support it with reliable evidence.

If it's a question of common sense versus what the Revenue Code states, the Code wins. If it's a members views versus a law firms publication or a national newspaper article, common sense takes second place. Common sense varies from person to person, some people have none. It's hardly an objective benchmark by which to make important, potentially life changing decisions, in a foreign land that is still developing. If you or anyone else has evidence to dispute the various issues I have provided evidence for, post it and let's see it's merits. But let's not go round this loop yet again, either accept that we have different perspectives or dispute mine with evidence. Put up or shut up.

If you aren't asked to do so, I wouldn't.

I've asked many times that people post evidence to support their views but nobody has. I have posted a number of pieces of supportive evidence, including extracts from the TRD, Bangkok news paper articles and quotes from legal firms. Thus far, my evidence far outweighs your rhetoric and emotion. If you want me to accept your contrarian view, you'll need to support it with something more than just hot air and abusive language.

I didn't post about the 60k assessable income threshold, I posted a general observation as follows: "Hand on heart I don't understand why folks are so averse to obtaining a Thai TIN, it's not like they're being told to contract HIV or develop cancer, it's just a tax ID and having one or not, wont alter your tax liability in the event TRD wants to examine your books. And it does mean that having one will increase your rate of interest on bank savings interest by 15%. But I suppose if not getting one means you think that nobody will know you exist, jeeze, what can be said about that!"

You and Gant don't seem to have enough drama in your lives and seem to always want to stir things up and create friction by making accusations and being abusive. Neither one of you seems even a little bit willing to accept that others don't share your opinions and have different views and as a penalty, such people must be degraded when ever possible. We don't call you criminals for ignoring the TFRD Code yet you seem willing enough to call us do -gooders for following the law. I think the problem must be that you're bored and lonely and want to keep having these circular discussions that have no end, just to let everyone know you;re still out there, fighting the good fight but not mature enough to accept that different views exist and to move on to other new things. Sad really.

My view is this: I have a TIN and will happily tell others what I would do if I didn't have one but felt that I wanted one. Ultimately however, what others do is their business and I don't mind in the least which ever road they chose to walk down. So, what I would do is to be firm, clear and persistent, up to the point where I felt I could not get a different answer. Then I would escalate matters, either in the branch or in the chain of command by going to higher authorities...didn't I say this already, it sounds like an echo to me! I would point out to whoever, exactly what the TRD Code says and I'd remind whoever that I have assessable income, if indeed I had any. If however I didn't have any assessable income (as you appear not to) and/or if I was on a visa that meant my income is tax free (which you appear to be) or if I had a Pink Card that functions as a TIN (which you appear to have), I wouldn't give this topic even a single passing thought and I wouldn't ask questions that don't appear to be even remotely relevant to your individual circumstances.

The one that I said that obtaining a TIN, wouldn't be altered when I wrote, "it won't alter your tax liability" "If the bank will accept that TIN to stop withholding -- not a given". The common established practise reports to date are that they will, including me. "But for Yanks... blah blah", but not the remaining 98.44% of the foreign expat population. There are around 40,230 American expats living in Thailand, which is about 1.56% of the country's foreign population. Please stop telling us about the tax issues of your household help, we know already nd are unlikely to ever forget, even if we try! "you really think all those rice farmers, maids, gardeners, street vendors, etc -- are going to file if they pass a threshold"? Maids gardeners and rice farmers typically don't receive overseas pension income every month in Thailand equivalent to three and four times the average national wage.

You've spent the majority of the past year in this threads, guessing this and guessing that!

Maximum 100k on the pension.

To be crystal clear.......YOU mentioned pounding on the desk and calling them names....NOT ME, I would neither suggest that nor think it a good idea. "I think this is MORE than just what ONE chooses to believe. Its ALSO what the LOCAL THAI RD BELIEVES". I have seen cases where different people in the same branch have made conflicting statements, other members have reported this also, even people in the same meeting. So I think it is extremely dangerous to think that something you are told by one employee, reflects the official position of a branch, unless the statements are made by the most senior person and they are somehow recorded.

There is no reason why CRS should mention credit card transactions specifically, credit card spending is only one of the many ways that funds can be transferred/remitted internationally and spent.