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I asked about this again today. And it is the same answer: I need to complete a Lor.Por 10.1 to obtain a TIN, regardless of whether I am filing online, or in person, or by mail. It will not be the same as my Thai pink ID card 13 digit number; apparently it will begin with "1". Again, it seems there may be completely different experiences, as recounted by others, but I can only go on what has been advised by TRD Sathorn. When I actually file, it may be a different story, but I have been told I have to complete the LP10.1 before I can file, and I have to file.

Sorry, my "office manager" is my condo office manager, who is doing me a favour by talking to TRD in Sathorn. Yes, correct, I have no income in Thailand. I am over 65, so have a TEDA of THB500K pa. Based on the discussion between my condo office manager and TRD Sathorn, my "income" that I bring in, from UK pension and dividends, is below the TEDA. TRD Sathorn want me to file nonetheless, so I will oblige, and have prepared my transactions for my files, although they will not want to see this at the filing, but may call for it at a later date, if they want to audit. As I noted, the filing of a "null" return seems to be required, for this office at least. Others have said completely the opposite, from their own experience at their local RD, which I do not doubt. TRD seems to have a different policy in different offices, which is the norm here, (based on IMM experiences and related). As to application of a TIN, see below.

Thanks. Maybe there is a misunderstanding between the interlocutors that I am filing online. I will inquire further.

All of it, so it's taxable. However, it's within my TEDA, so there is nothing to pay on it.

Well, you certainly seem to be right about having to file, whether tax payment is due, or not: I haven't yet been to RD, (my office is in Sathorn: Thai Chinese Chamber of Commerce, opposite Surasak BTS). But in the meantime my office manager has been helping me, by ringing them up to find out whether I need to file (yes, apparently), and how I need to file. Even though my income into Thailand is less than my TEDA, they still want me to file. I only need to show ATM withdrawal amount, (THB160K) and not credit card, but debit card amounts. First, I need to apply for a Lor.Por.10.1 (to obtain a TIN). Then I need to complete a Por.Nor.Dor 90. However, having looked at the PND90, it is not obvious how or where I put in the sums and deductions, so yet another (4 or 5 so far) call to inquire. Anyway, I'm not convinced that I really do need to obtain a TIN, (not as simple as just using my pink ID number, it will apparently be different to that 13 digit number)*, and then I need to file, and I suspect that when I try to get them to answer my question about how to complete the PND90, they may say "not necessary". A further call will be made, and then I will go and see them in person, with my Thai manager. I didn't think this was going to be easy, and I was right. *Maybe those who obtained their TIN with a pink ID had to complete this Lor.Por.10.1 form?

OK, thanks. I will inquire at RD.

So in my case, if my income is below THB500K, I don't have to file. Actually, we are two unmarried people over 65 who live together, so we both have an allowance of THB500K + THB500K = THB1M; we have joint accounts worldwide and comingle funds.

I thought this was quite a good interview. He seems to have changed his mind since then. I had my deductions worked out to THB500k: THB60k Personal Care Allowance THB100k (up to) Pension Income Allowance THB190k over 65 THB150k zero rate Is that incorrect?

Was it to: The Revenue Department 90 Soi Phaholyothin 7 Phaholyothin Road, Phayathai, Bangkok 10400 As noted, the differences in responses is as varied as the number of offices countrywide. I think the address I have given as above, in Phayathai, is the Head Office. I live in Sathorn, so I presume I would go to the Sathorn Area Office, near Chan Road.

Well thank you. I had not seen your response. Your situation is the same as mine. Can you tell me which floor section of Bangkok RD you went to? I want to hear exactly the same, but in person. I presume they didn't ask, nor had any interest in knowing how you fund your living in Thailand, (presumably as a tax resident).

I live in Bangkok, so if I was going to visit them, it would be their Head Office. If they said "no need to file", I would prepare a letter in English & Thai to that effect, for them to sign and chop. Very possibly they would ignore that, because Lord knows, whereas with Thai bureaucracy we have to sign a forest, they individually do not want any accountability.

I've long thought that, and wondered why no one else has done that, or if they have, why they haven't, (to my knowledge) shared that experience on this magnum opus hopeless.

Yes. Many answers from conlsultants eager to make the most of this confusion, you're right. None of them tried and tested, so all of them meaningless. I will wait. I have been waiting since the first vague, and then subsequent less vague announcement came from TRD. But vague and less vague don't add up to a hill of beans.

Thanks for your comments. They are sporadic, but monthly, and of low value, (about THB30K) per month. I do not want to evade. My ATM & CC usage is within my allowances as a 65 year old pensioner; I am quite prepared to file a tax return, but despite trying to get a definitive answer, there does not seem to be a way of doing it with the existing, and likely similar, if not the same forms. Sure, I can spend THB10-30K on seeking the advice of a tax consultant, but I have the impression they do not have a definitive answer either.

Thank you for the English language tax form, which may or ay not be changed. Assuming there are no changes to the tax form, I'm still not clear where one specifies monies brought in by ATM withdrawals or Credit Card spending using a foreign issued credit card. Any ideas? Or, as I listened to the Tally YT @ 12.23 on ATM withdrawals and @ 13.49 on use of Credit Cards, Thomas suggests that these are not in the purview of TRD. I haven't been keeping up with the many comments, but has anything changed since this video was made?