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How much does it cost you to go in and out of Cambodia to effect these cash transfers? Sad to say, but I suspect IMM was not remotely interested; plenty of opening doors after your's closes. As the need to file a tax return, (if you qualify) doesn't take effect until 1 January, and end on 31 March 2025, IMM are not going to be asking for them yet, if ever. See below. I see you've answered this. But yes, I think taxpayers expect some more tangible benefit (like subsidised healthcare or the like), rather than just the use of roads, safety-questionable pavements etc. Going out the door here in Bangkok costs a fortune. Perhaps better fiscal management, and a system not with built in corruption might make it more palatable; I don't expect to see a clean transparent system in my lifetime. Corruption is Thainess at its finest - it's Thainess Tax.

Our condo (we, the residents) pay for a New Year party for all staff, (about THB30k). We have about 20 security and cleaning (contract) staff. On top of that residents give gifts to be raffled at the party, (now held on the premises, so they can spend more on the party, rather than at a restaurant). I used to tip whoever delivers my mail, grocery shopping to my room, but on top of the money to the Tops delivery guy, it was getting out of hand. I started during covid, but now do not tip, as I'm usually not in. It's a personal thing. I (as a member of the committee) have initiated and authorised refurbishment of the staff canteen, changing rooms etc. They know they are appreciated, and they know who instigated it. In-house technicians who come to fix a multitude of things, (including changing a light bulb), are employed by the Juristic, and they get a tip of about 200 to 1000 depending on what they've done. Our Juristic staff also get a 1 month bonus, and their salaries are reviewed every year, with an average increase of 5% this year.

🥱 I'm shocked that there has been no improvement after all the measures implemented in the last 12 months....years....decades. Really shocked.

I read your link, faithfully copied. I have no idea what a "payer of income" is. And even though your link is directly from RD, my local RD at Sathorn, Bangkok has informed me that my PIN is not going to be used as my TIN, and that I have to apply for one through LP10.1....confusion reigns supremely. I suspect this is all going to be a rather large up cockerel, come the witching hours between 1 January - 31 March 2025.

Yes, absolutely. This makes sense, and seems to be the same as information provided by Bangkok RD.

I AM bringing money into Thailand from my UK State Pension, through ATM, debit cards, so that is why we have been given different answers. With respect to using my Pink ID as my TIN, I was told I would be given a different 13 digit number for my TIN, after completing the LP10.1. My understanding about LTR, is that no foreign income brought into Thailand is subject to tax. But I am certainly not an expert on LTR, although I will apply next year to remove all of that which is now transpiring, wary however that even if there is "no tax" now, this may change...by issuance of another order and formalised by Royal Gazette. The tax loophole created by LTR seems completely at odds with those who do not have it, especially as LTR is for wealthy individuals.

My Bangkok RD has informed me, (via my Thai interlocutor), that foreign Credit Card spending will not be considered income. ATM withdrawals and Debit Card spending, using non Thai cards will be considered income. Accordingly, I will proceed on that basis, when I file in January 2025. Again, my local Bangkok RD has stated that I do need to file; I have no income in Thailand, but I have foreign sourced income over THB60K pa. The total income is below my TEDA (of THB500K), but I am told that I still need to file, (because it exceeds the THB60K, my personal allowance for unmarried). Where do all these stupid farangs asking for TINs get their info? Aseannow? From TRD Sathorn, Bangkok. Please note, as others have commented, different RDs seem to be saying different things. I am only passing on what I have been informed by mine, albeit through my Thai interlocutor. When I actually go with him to obtain the TIN, by completing a Lor.Por.10.1 (as specified by said TRD Sathorn), and when they show me how to put in my foreign sourced income on the Por.Ngor.Dor 90 (which TRD Sathorn have specified), I will report back.

Like Trump?

So far it does not seem to be a requirement, as noted above, albeit before 1 January 2025. It's hazardous to try and give a definitive answer about IMM's requirements, especially as these issues seem to vary from office to office. I expect we might hear differently after 1 January 2025. But a lot of issues will come into play wherein the interests and "opportunities" of 2 government departments do not align. I'm sure it wont take a very long time before RD handles "procedures" in a similar way to IMM. As I've said, "a tangled web is being woven pretty quickly", which of course makes me understand the distaste and disbelief expressed by a number of people about this new "interpretation". But possibly, just possibly, because RD interacts with other countries, they might not want to trash their reputation internationally; immigration "procedures" are a home alone issue, managed in the Thai way. Call me old fashioned, just as with IMM, I want to be above board with RD.

Good to hear. I'm getting a similar response through my inquiries at my RD.

Maybe the first digit identifies the district tax office; I presume yours is not Sathorn district. My pink card begins with a 6, but I am informed the TIN will begin with a "1". I was also informed that a TIN is issued straight away, (by and at the office I am applying).

Do I still have to file a tax return? I am responding purely on my experience of a response from my RD office: It depends on whether you have assessable income earned in 2024 and brought into Thailand above THB60k. If you don't, "no". If you do, "yes".

I will be obtaining my TIN to comply with the TRD's interpretation on the requirement to file, (which they have confirmed, in my district), and they have advised that my pink ID 13 digit number will NOT be my TIN. I have to apply for a TIN by completing a Lor.Por.10.1 Again, this is from my district tax office, so circumstances may, and obviously do vary. My district tax office is Sathorn, in Bangkok. Based on others' experience in different offices, I thought my pink ID would be my TIN, but Sathorn RD say it will start with "1". A tangled web being woven very quickly.

Whether they do introduce a tax on worldwide income is of course purely speculative at this stage. However, I think in return, those that pay it might want to see something for it; I'm not sure how it applies in countries that do tax that way. In UK, for example, if you're a UK resident (and tax resident) there are a number of social benefits that are provided, including of course health care. If there is no similar benefit (s) introduced here, Thailand becomes rather unattractive for many foreigners.

Yes. If you are a Thai tax resident and you want to buy a car with funds from overseas that were earned in 2024 and tax free in the place of earning, those funds will be subject to Thai income tax, after TEDAs. The same applies to property purchases. I'm not sure, but I would very much doubt any cost benefit analysis has been made on this new rule interpretation, which will have an (adverse) impact on GDP, retail and property within the kingdom by foreigners who qualify as tax residents with assessable income. If foreigners who are not Thai tax residents buy big ticket retail or property, then they pay no tax. But I do not know how much the Thai property market relies on tax residents or non tax residents. There's already a glut, and if that causes a major crash in property prices, it will require a reassessment of the tax regime, which has worked pretty well up until this point.