Red Phoenix

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

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The one big positive thing is that Americans and some Europeans are waking up. Don't know about Canada, NZ and OZ. Are they doomed?

Awe-inspiring resistance and initiatives against the mRNA vaccine lies are ongoing in Australia, New Zealand and Canada.  But of course you won't hear about that in the mainstream media.  

RFK Jr's opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal raised quite a stir. 

See the very recent thread with comments on that piece

> https://aseannow.com/topic/1363169-rfk-jr-hhs-moves-to-restore-public-trust-in-vaccines/

But oh boy, that was child's play compared to his response on the backlash he got from CNN on that piece. 

He sure does mean business, totally annihilating CNN's attack on him in his post on X yesterday. 

Here a shortened version of his long post: 

> Yesterday, I retired 17 members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices or ACIP, the CDC external panel that wields the grave responsibility of adding new vaccines to the recommended childhood schedule.
 

Over the coming days, I will use this platform to announce new members to populate ACIP. None of these individuals will be ideological anti-vaxxers. They will be highly credentialed physicians and scientists who will make extremely consequential public health determinations by applying evidence-based decision-making with objectivity and common sense.
 

I will also be tweeting examples of the historical corruption at ACIP to help the public understand why this clean sweep was necessary.
The most outrageous example of ACIP’s malevolent malpractice has been its stubborn unwillingness to demand adequate safety trials before recommending new vaccines for our children. Today, a compliant American child receives between 69 and 92 routine vaccines (depending on brand/dictated dosage) from conception to 18 years of age. This is up from 11 shots in 1986.
ACIP has recommended each of these additional jabs without requiring placebo-controlled trials for any of them. This means that no one can scientifically ascertain whether these products are averting more problems than they are causing.
Many vaccine promoters have challenged this assertion. They are always wrong. Last week, CNN, which has devolved into a shameless propagandist for Big Pharma, triumphantly announced that it had proof that my pronouncement that “there have been no placebo-controlled safety trials for any routine vaccines” was false. CNN gleefully proclaimed that it had found 257 placebo-controlled studies for routine vaccines.
So, allow me a moment to deconstruct CNN’s claims. Warning: this post may only be sufferable for science geeks like myself.
< read the full post for the detailed facts and figures that he provides > 

It is time to stop playing games, such as CNN’s false gotcha. We have gone from 3 routine injections by age one in 1986 (the year the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act passed) to 25 routine injections by age one in 2025 (which now does not include Covid-19 vaccine). Because of the 1986 Act, every one of these products, save one, was developed by companies knowing they would almost never be liable for serious harm.
During this same period, chronic diseases in our children exploded, most of which are caused by immune system dysregulation. If we are to identify the exposures that are causing this epidemic of autoimmune diseases, we need to rule out products given dozens of times to young children, specifically to modify the immune system, as potential culprits.
Our infants and children deserve the best safety trials possible to keep them safe. We should care as much about every child who could be injured by one of these products as we do every child who could be injured by an infectious disease. We must protect all children.

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38 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

It's a question of Do you believe anything you're told by anyone in authority.

You can't spell believe without lie.

Long game being played, lads.

My basic attitude when being told something is that I give everybody - including anyone in authority - the benefit of the doubt on what they tell me.  So, in essence I am more 'gullible' than 'critical' when somebody tells me something. 

Also when the information provided clashes with the knowledge I have, I do not dismiss it automatically but consider whether I need to change my stance in view of the new information.  Totally baseless statements will of course be immediately dismissed (e.g. the @transam nonsense goes straight into the garbage bin).  But well-reasoned pieces of information backed up with trustworthy facts and data, are subject to further research.  E.g. I do not immediately dismiss what @richard_smith237 or @TedG post, but do consider what they write and where relevant do some further research on a specific topic that they bring up. 

And the outcome of that research will determine whether I change my stance or keep to it.  

Having used that approach for as long as I can remember, makes it relatively easy to cut through the bull<deleted> or immediately see inconsistencies in what I read and hear.  And yes I have changed my position on certain topics, e.g. my previous assumption that pathogenic viruses could be one of the sources that make you ill, has been dismissed on researching that issue. 

9 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

You still pretend that vaccination wasn't necessary to protect your children without realizing that the vaccination of the vast majority of your children's peers was extremely relevant.  You are too incompetent to perform serious analysis because you do not think past the surface layer of an issue.

 

Perhaps if you ate more onions you would realize that most issues have several layers.

Total hogwash.  

To expand on your 'onion layer' analogy > The surface layer is what you are being told by the corrupt medical establishment and all its cronies (Big Pharma advertisement money dependent media, Big Pharma funded studies and journals that publish them, Public Health and medical regulation institutes, University curriculums, etc. etc. ).  And for more than 100 years that original - Rockefeller originated - lie about germs and vaccines has spread and it has metastised in current allopathic 'modern' medicine.  Nobody is immune to that immense propaganda to which they have been exposed 24/7 all their life.  And those that dare question some of the core beliefs/dogmas of that fable (questioning 'settled' beliefs is what real science is all about) are of course ridiculed and demonized.  Threatening that multi-trillion $ house of cards by exposing its false and dodgy presumptions, is not appreciated.  But the number of those that peeled of the surface layer of the onion, or by personal experience (e.g. vaccine harm) had a glimpse of what lies under that surface, is slowly but steadily growing.  

Yes I am 'dangerous' - or rather my ideas on these issues - and I will NOT shut up by those that prefer living the lie...   

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

By age 7, a Belgian child born in 1957 would likely have received the following vaccines:

- Smallpox

- Diphtheria

- Tetanus

- Pertussis (whooping cough)

- Polio 

 

That you ask for proof of what vaccines you took as a child were of benefit is a masterclass in argumentative incompetence, the proof is all around you, everywhere....  but you dismiss it.    You may as well post another meme.

I said that I don't know whether I received any vaccines before 7 year of age. 

Well possible that my parents skipped them, and unfortunately as both are deceased, I am not able to enquire anymore. 

Also the current discussion is of little relevance for this thread, so I will refrain from answering any responses to it.

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/vaccine-preventable-diseases#:~:text=Childhood immunization in Belgium&text=Of these%2C the polio vaccine,that is mandatory in Belgium.

 

 

Then I probably did get the polio-shot, before being able to make my own decisions.

Otherwise I would have refused the shot. 

By the way, none of my 3 very healthy children (34, 32 and 26) did receive ANY vaccine, while under my care.

8 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

31 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Check out the contents table of this Covid/Vaccine sub-forum

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/ 

It contains +100 threads addressing the subject from many different angles.  

Why would we volunteer to go into a cesspit of propaganda and misinformation when you bring it here!  Polio is a real and dreadful disease which the police vaccine saved US from. Note I say US because you were saved too.

My post was not meant for you, but for TedG who asked to bring 'facts to the table'.

6 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Why would we volunteer to go into a cesspit of propaganda and misinformation when you bring it here!  Polio is a real and dreadful disease which the police vaccine saved US from. Note I say US because you were saved too.

I am not a US citizen.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

A well-formulated MEME will have more impact than the pages of drivel filled with semi-intellectual superiority, arrogance and insults that are your trademark...

 

 

..... A well-formulated meme? Please. Memes aren’t “well-formulated” - they’re bite-sized junk food for the intellectually lazy, designed to be swallowed whole by those incapable of discussion, nuance or real thought.... 

 

This just highlights your sole aim is not to inform, but to spread ignorance and nothing else... 

QED

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

You have reaped the benefits of the early childhood vaccinations. 

Show me proof!  Belgian citizen, born 1957 

11 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

When you bring hard facts to the table, let me know.  

 

Check out the contents table of this Covid/Vaccine sub-forum

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/ 

It contains +100 threads addressing the subject from many different angles.  

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Post the data and link the sources. 

Here you go, I repost > Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly

56 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Er...Sorry but I have a problem with anti vaxers. I think it morally wrong to spread lies and disinformation about such an important subject. This kind of rubbish can not be spread in medical or science journals so anti-vaxers come to forums like this knowing that there are no doctors or scientists to argue with them. So you say we fully understand he's an anti water & Nobody has a problem with that. You're wrong. Millions of people hate anti vaxers for the damage they do to individuals, communities,  children and a whole range of people who need these vaccines to survive.

19 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Owl doesn't see all

But much more than the blind, deaf and dumb parroting the 'safe and effective' mantra... 

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The arguments are getting more and more stupid.

It may come as a surprise to you, but people can die for all  sorts of reasons, not just from vaccines. It is all about managing the risk factor. Any more of this rubbish and some will be jumping out the window.

Please tell, is it more dangerous to have a vaccination or drive in Thailand?

Answers on a postcard.

Driving to a Thai vaccination center is akin to playing Ukranian roulette (with 5 bullets in your 6-shooter)

1 hour ago, PJ71 said:

Are you friends with that other guy that's scared of his own shadow, 'tallmanjimmy' or something like that?

I wouldn't call TallGuyJohninBangkok my 'friend'. 

The only thing we have in common is our posting frequency on the Covid/Vaccine issue. 

Him a rabid pro-vaxxer and myself wearing the Anti-Vaxxer label as a badge of honour. 

1 hour ago, madone said:

seriously, how much more time can you spend posting this <deleted> and why here? 

Quick answer to your question > 

Why here?  Because this is the Covid/Vaccine sub-forum, which is part of the uncensored non-moderated Off the Beaten Track forum where views that are not aligned with the 'accepted narrative' can be freely discussed. 

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

You rely on the evidence of Steve Kirsch, a discredited authority.Steve Kirsch’s credibility on COVID-19 vaccinations is low within the scientific and medical communities due to his lack of relevant expertise, reliance on flawed data interpretations, and promotion of debunked claims. While he has a platform and following among vaccine skeptics, his assertions are consistently contradicted by robust evidence from clinical trials, global health data, and expert consensus, which demonstrate that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective at preventing severe disease and death.

I do not 'rely on the evidence of Steve Kirsch'.  

He simply put the available data from Czech Republic, Israel, New Zealand and the US Medicare, in a time-series graph.  

And the mRNA Covid-19 'vaccines' show a different trend than time-series of other vaccines.  Instead of a stable or declining trend of death, as one might expect from a 'safe and effective' vaccine, these long-term kill-shots show a motality increase.  

And he is fully right that these tell-tale time-series graphs are 'taboo' subjects at the mainstream media, as they clearly expose the awful truth.

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

For the record, there have been 13.64 billion vaccination doses administered to date and maybe, just maybe, one or two folks may have died because they had comorbidities, however in the main it is a safe vaccine and this vaccine modus operandi (mRNA) has been worked on for over 25 years and is considered safe.

If your assertion were true, that would make the Covid-19 gen-therapy by far the safest 'vaccine' ever administered.  

And current vaccine hesitancy for these mRNA-shots would be non-existing.   

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You continue to beat a dead horse and you have not examined or are knowledgeable about what you are read or relating. The billions of people that got a vaccine are dropping over like flies right,  Vaers system is a glaring example of your propaganda. Anyone can report on veers system and not just medical professions. Any alignment that occurs can also be reported. There doesn't have to be any facts, or follow up or medical review, Its just a tool to gather Information. When you read posted by medical professions do you even understand the meaning of the language as it does carry the same means plain english.

 

You keep trumping that the early lie was the vaccine would prevent you from catching it. The was a media exaggeration and correct by the govt professions but it was already viral from lame people look I g for a cause. Give this was a novel virus never before seen in man its kinda hard to have concrete facts before hand when your trying to find ways to deal with and no history to fall back on.  

 

And not a word in your rant about the time-series analysis of Covid-vaccine roll-out in Czech republic, Israel, New Zealand and the US Medicare data.  

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Still alive after 5 shots, how can that be?

Maybe because you are a resilient bastard...