Brickleberry

No, I didn't. Stop lying and moving the goalposts to attempt to justify your nonsense post. I stated in my original comment the following: Note that you have not responded to any of the other valid points raised in the post, nor have you admitted that your choice of words would lead people to believe you implied all. It is also worth noting that no one has seen any of the evidence, so we do not know what they are supposed to have done yet. If I say the Israeli government, that would refer to all of the Israeli government? Yes, it would. If I say some of the Israeli government, or the right wing elements of the government, that would refer to some. Choose your words carefully next time.

I read your words carefully. You used the definite article 'the' which would refer to all of the UNRWA. If you had correctly stated that 12 members of staff, or 0.0009% of the total were alleged to have been involved, then we would agree. Note, you just accepted Israels version of events without seeing any evidence. It is definitely believable - 0.0009% involved is a ridiculously low number, especially when you consider they must hire local people. So well played to the UNRWA for managing to keep out the terrorist sympathizers. You go on to say UNRWA are Hamas - you explicitly referred to the UNRWA. Disgusting accusation that is completely unfounded.

No, you say all. Disgusting. There were 12 out of 13,000

Get it right. 12 members of staff out of 13,000. Disgusting accusation.

I was responding to someone expressing genocidal, racist bigotry. They needed simplification. Of course they were indigenous, saying they were not is just a false, flat out lie. A lie used by Zionists. Had they accepted the agreement, the Israelis would have went to war a little earlier than when they declared war and used terrorist tactics against the British. This has been evidenced by Israeli behavior at the time. My comment about Palestinian willingness has been backed up numerous times, I'm bored of discussing this with you. Nothing i said was misleading or inaccurate. Israel started the war. Right of conquest has been illegal since 1945. Jews owned 6% of the land at the time - 1947.

Is it really surprising that an agency that has to hire local people will have some local people supporting Hamas? A new agency will have the same issues, it has to hire local people, and some of these terrorist sympathizers will get through. It is inevitable. Might as well get rid of all the agencies helping, right? No. identify the bad apples and kick them out. You are also ignoring the fact that this is not a secretive agency,. It supplies all of the names to Israel and every other country sending aid. It is transparent and open. This is why they should be supported because it is easy to identify any bad apples and they have reacted in the appropriate way - they fired them and started an investigation. Israel has accused virtually every single aid agency, international agency, international court etc of being biased and antisemitic. If Israel gets it way, there will not be anyone to left to help. A few bad apples should not ruin it for everyone.

Again, you are ignoring the details. 12 out of 13,000, so lets cut all funding for 2 million people living in an area that has been bombed harder than any other conflict in the world. A disproportionate reaction. As for the evidence out of Israel, they have been caught lying previously. That being said, it is highly likely that there a few bad apples in a large ship of them. Th US not agreeing with the ICJ is meaningless, the court is the one to decide, not politics in America. It is also important to note that Israel wants UN aid agencies out of Gaza: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68119268 We... are we not citizens of the 9 countries who have stopped funding? We in this case is accurate. Stop being a pedant.

Wow, a post full of insults, racism and factually incorrect information. 1) Recent ownership has been Muslims? 1,400 years is recent ownership? Prior to that it was a few hundred years of Roman ownership, and they were the ones to force the Jews out, not Muslims. 2) Muslims, Christians and Jews share the same approach to resolving conflicts; An Eye for an Eye comes from Abrahamic religions. The new testament changes this for Christians. 3) Correct. Israel is legally entitled to the land according to the UN resolution in 1948. That being said, the Palestinians - the indigenous owners of the land disagreed. You can't make an agreement when only one side agrees. Israelis would have been livid had Palestinians accepted the 1937 plan, but luckily for them, they both declined. 4) Not true. Israel started the 1967 Six Day War, and conquered more land. This is illegal under international law. It has been illegal to take over parts of land through force since 1945. This is why Crimea has not been recognized as belonging to Russia, even though it was annexed decades ago. This is why Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal and Gaza, prior to 2005, were illegal. Palestinians have already shown a willingness to cede the land they lost in 1967 to finally have a chance at a two state solution, even though what Israel is doing is illegal. Israel however, keeps wanting more and more. It will not be satisfied until it has everything from the river to the sea. 5) The rest of your post is incitement to hatred, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Collective punishment for Hamas' actions is considered illegal, immoral and completely unjustifiable. You brazenly call for the annihilation of all residents in the West Bank and Gaza? Shame on you.

What an absolute joke. Out of 13,000 staff members in Gaza, 12 have been alleged to have done this. The 12 individuals involved have already been fired, and an independent investigation has already begun to determine the facts of the matter. We shouldn't punish every single Palestinian by blocking funds for aid because 12 out of 13,000 were apparently involved in Oct 7th. It is also worthy to point out that this evidence comes from Israel - and we have caught them lying on multiple occasions. It is highly believable, it is a tiny tiny fraction of the total number of staff, but I would still like to see verification by an independent third part. Israel gets accused of genocide, apartheid and war crimes, but the US does not cut any funding. What a joke. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227142760/unrwa-un-agency-gaza-hamas-employees-oct-7-attack

I certainly hope so. I don't pay school fees for unqualified teachers. Qualifications are not a formality, they are a necessity. They prove you are capable of doing the job.

My claims about Palestinians not supporting Hamas were proved by that poll, which was in response to another member. The poll was relevant to the other discussion. See below. You then jumped in to talk about that not having relevance, but you failed to note the context. The post he replied to said 3/4 of Palestinians wanted to wipe out Israel, and only 5% supported a two state solution. The polls shown were evidence that the OP was making a false statement. I believe the OP he was responding to was BKK brian. So clearly, Hamas and the Palestinians were referenced. Neither of you have provided any evidence to the contrary.

Polls, video evidence of them chanting Hamas out and thousands protesting in the streets to get Hamas out in July. I have nothing? Again, you have this backwards. I have backed up all of my claims with proof. Still waiting for anything from you.

Did you not read it? They were chanting they want Hamas out. That would back up my claim, that 70% of Gazans polled wanted them out prior to Oct 7. Still waiting for those polls.

Those figures are not correct. You did not read the poll. 50% wanted a permanent end to the conflict with Israel based on the 1967 borders. 70% wanted Hamas out of Gaza, and for the PA to take over.

Hamas have guns and rockets. Civilians do not. How about you look at the protests that happened in July? Israeli anti-government protests didn't take down Bibi's government did it?

Again we are still waiting for you to show a poll, you claimed clearly stated there were lots of them, and some on this forum... but you have shown nothing yet. Where did I claim there was only one poll? Again just making random stuff up. It was relevant to the discussion at the time, but for some reason you keep harping on about it. The person who I was actually talking about this with moved on to another topic of discussion already. You should take a look at the conversation if you are confused about the context and why it was there.

When do civilians ever take down the military?

Do I have to repeat myself again? This is after the 7th. Not relevant to the discussion.

This is after Oct 7. Not relevant. One of the other members in this forum a few hours ago said Palestinians supported Hamas as if that justified 26,000 dead and counting.

Pretend to find. Nice. It was clearly referenced with the link supplied. It was an American poll done for The Washington Institute. You don't have to believe them, but that puts you in the same boat as Trump... ignoring the facts right in front of you while proclaiming to the world you are right. Notice that you said you would find a poll prior to oct 7th that would prove Palestinians supported Hamas... that was 2 hours ago. Still waiting.

That is dreadful, of course I feel for the poor baby and its mother. That being said, that is not the topic we are discussing today, so it is a bit disingenuous to bring up this as a point. Of course the hostages should be free. So should the Palestinian people, their lives are also in extreme danger. Palestinians have been prisoners in Gaza for decades. On the extreme danger front, the hostages are far more likely to die from Israeli indiscriminate bombing, or IDF soldiers shooting them as they come out. Another reason why Israel should change strategy.

The poll figures I referenced earlier were in response to another member's comments that Palestinians supported Hamas prior to Oct 7th. 70% of them did not, and wanted the PA in charge. This is a fact. There were also demonstrations and protests in the Gaza strip in 2023 against Hamas, thousands took to the streets. The main issues were poor living conditions and I think something to do with a $15 deduction from allowances of the poorest in Gaza. Unfortunately not anything to do with two states, but it shows the discontent with their rule. The other poll figure I quoted stated they wanted a 2 two state solution, and a permanent end to the conflict. 50%. completely relevant to show Palestinians do not want this war, they want it to end.

This is why it is impossible to engage with you. You just make stuff up. I am clearly talking about the same thing in the post you referenced. I did not say Hamas were only in the tunnels. Again, completely making stuff up! Then again, it is so much easier to do this than to engage in anything substantive. I actually talked about their guerilla warfare tactics, and how Israel can't bomb every building just because a Hamas pops off a few shots with his piddly little rifle, and scurries back down into his tunnel to the underground 'city' Israel keeps banging on about. I did not say that I assume all bombs were supposed to target tunnels. Again, completely making things up. I actually said the bombs are targeting the entire Gaza strip to make it unlivable. Logic also dictates that if you warn the area that they will bomb all of the buildings, then the enemy will not be there when you bomb it. So what is the point of destroying almost half of all housing in Gaza - population over 2 million, when there are only 30,000 Hamas members? You are clearly just trying to bomb all of the buildings and make it unliveable. https://www.timesofisrael.com/world-bank-report-finds-45-of-residential-buildings-in-gaza-ruined-beyond-repair/ Your final point is just unbelievable.

I am sorry, but that is ludicrous. I did not try to paint Hamas as being 'non-Palestinian' - but they are clearly not 'the Palestinian people' I and many others refer to. When I refer to the Palestinian people, I mean any citizen who is not a member of Hamas' terrorist, military brigades - Israel puts the number at around 30,000 Hamas terrorists. In actual fact, many countries only regard the military wing of Hamas as a terrorist organization. The political wing still has relations with other western states. The fact that all polling that I can find prior to the conflict on October 7th shows that Palestinians did not want Hamas in charge speaks volumes. The fact they have not had a chance to elect new leaders in over 18 years speaks volumes. This is exactly what the court case is about, and why Israel lost its case. There must be a distinction between the Palestinian people and the military wing of Hamas. Whilst it is true that Hamas does not separate civilian deaths from militant deaths, that does not mean they are the same. We certainly shouldn't be copying the terrorists in any case.

I am engaging in a topic i care deeply about. Thousands of Palestinians are imprisoned by Israel, hundreds of women + children. For someone who picks out every little detail in others posts, you don't ever seem to admit when you are wrong. For instance, the ICJ cannot rule against Hamas because it is not a country.