Jeff the Chef

On 4/27/2024 at 7:35 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

Bottled it 

 

Campaign Against Antisemitism has cancelled its planned counter-protest against a pro-Palestinian march through central London on Saturday.

The group, led by Gideon Falter, had said it wanted to use the “walk together” initiative to support its view that the area around the planned pro-Palestinian march was not safe for Jewish people.

But on Friday afternoon CAA announced that its event had been cancelled amid pressure from those within the Jewish community who feared it could backfire.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/26/campaign-against-antisemitism-cancels-counter-protest-london-pro-palestinian-march

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Maybe you listen to the terrorists version of events too much, Israel is fighting this war (which they didn't start) with kid gloves on, they have minimised casualties as much as humanely possible. Hamas must take responsibility for the deaths in Gaza for without them there would be none.

From the river to the sea everyone should be free, Jews, Christians, Muslims and non-believers.

38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Those civilians must be well hungry by now, they have been starving since October and still haven't died of starvation .

   Seems like the claims of starvation are not true , otherwise there would be some people starving to death 

So you want to see Palestinians starving to death?

And you wonder why people march against Israel.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Photos from yesterdays march .

Care to reject your "bottled it" claim ?

How do you feel now ? 🙂

 

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/pro-palestinian-protests-man-arrested-for-carrying-swastika-placard-and-another-held-for-racist-remarks-at-london-march-13124492

 

 

 

Fantastic, you found 2 miscreants out of 200,000 peace marchers, well done you.

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  There was a group going to march to stop anti Semitism , you were celebrating that Anti Semite groups stopped them from marching .

   It is clear whose side that you are on 

My side getting ready to march in London in our hundreds of thousands,  calling on our government & institutions to end their complicity with Israel's genocide in Gaza, as @BenJamalpsc explains

https://x.com/AndyCChapman/status/1784172541453459522

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I didn't say that you couldn't . 

But you support Anti Semites , even though you claim that you don't 

Please refer to my previous answer which you are replying to.

It is important to  correct the thoroughly dishonest representation of the circumstances surrounding this incident that has been reported in recent days.

Mr Falter is a prominent pro-Israel activist and leading member of the misnamed ‘Campaign Against Antisemitism’ (CAA), an organisation with an appalling track record of anti-Palestinian racism and Islamophobia. From its foundation, CAA has sought to conflate criticism of the state of Israel with antisemitism, something for which it was criticised by the 2015 All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism. Such conflation seeks to silence Palestinian voices by associating their call for justice and liberation with antisemitism, and to suggest that all Jewish people support Israel’s crimes. Both claims fuel rather than challenge racism and should be utterly rejected.

CAA has also been widely accused of racism for its use of anti-Palestinian racist tropes and Islamophobic narratives including smears against the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan. Since October, it has consistently sought to pressure the police and the government to ban demonstrations against Israel’s genocide, even calling for the army to be deployed to stop marches.

https://palestinecampaign.org/palestine-march-organisers-reject-false-claims-of-pro-israel-activist/

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  This was a march to campaign against Anti-Semitism .

You very much seem to be in favour of the other side, the Anti-Semites . 

This wasn't  pro Israeli march , so you cannot hide behind the old "I just oppose Israel".

This was a march against Anti Semitism and you support the Anti Semites who oppose the march 

I'll oppose/support who I want, thankyou, if ever I need any help to decide who I support you will be the first to know, but don't hold your breath.

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You noted it, but missed out the court also states that Hamas must release all hostages with no pre conditions.

All there in the link for everyone to see, you're welcome.

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your response. Bottled it 

 

I'd expect nothing else from the anti-Semitic lobby

Plausible

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes, been mentioned numerous times in this topic.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1318095-provisional-decision-today-icj-weighs-emergency-measures-amid-allegations-of-genocide-in-gaza

 

This is a new topic to clarify that It did not decide that the claim of genocide was plausible."

 

What was actually ordered by ICJ surely has to be noted, even on a new thread, clearly after reading what the ICJ ordered there is a case of Israel doing wrong, if you take account of Israel's actions since the Order was adopted.

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Bottled it? If it went ahead you would have said it was a deliberate provocation by openly Jewish people, if they call it off you say bottled it......

5 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

We get, any opportunity to knock a Jew with you lot. Especially you and your previous hateful antisemitic post

All very "plausible" but there you go, wouldn't have expected anything else from the pro-Israel lobby on here, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

THE COURT,
Indicates the following provisional measures:
(1) By fifteen votes to two,
The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all
measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this
Convention, in particular:
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(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part; and
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judge ad hoc Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde; Judge ad hoc Barak;
(2) By fifteen votes to two,
The State of Israel shall ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any
acts described in point 1 above;
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judge ad hoc Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde; Judge ad hoc Barak;
(3) By sixteen votes to one,
The State of Israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct
and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza
Strip;
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judges ad hoc Barak, Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde;
(4) By sixteen votes to one,
The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of
urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life
faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judges ad hoc Barak, Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde;
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(5) By fifteen votes to two,
The State of Israel shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the
preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of
the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide against members of the
Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judge ad hoc Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde; Judge ad hoc Barak;
(6) By fifteen votes to two,
The State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to
this Order within one month as from the date of this Order.
IN FAVOUR: President Donoghue; Vice-President Gevorgian; Judges Tomka, Abraham,
Bennouna, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Robinson, Salam, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant;
Judge ad hoc Moseneke;
AGAINST: Judge Sebutinde; Judge ad hoc Barak

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

Bottled it 

Campaign Against Antisemitism has cancelled its planned counter-protest against a pro-Palestinian march through central London on Saturday.

The group, led by Gideon Falter, had said it wanted to use the “walk together” initiative to support its view that the area around the planned pro-Palestinian march was not safe for Jewish people.

But on Friday afternoon CAA announced that its event had been cancelled amid pressure from those within the Jewish community who feared it could backfire.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/26/campaign-against-antisemitism-cancels-counter-protest-london-pro-palestinian-march

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What has that to do with the UNRWA investigation?

It is a response by the UN

36 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

How about holding the entity accountable? With the amounts  of money involved, an outside auditor is needed. This agency has never been audited by any responsible party. There is no transparency. How the money is actually spent  in detail is never declared. That's one of the core issues. It is likely that large amounts of the donations are diverted into people's pockets or for activities not related to relief.

CORE PROGRAMME BUDGET
All contributions to the UNRWA Programme Budget go directly towards serving the Palestine refugees the Agency is mandated to protect and assist. UNRWA is committed to transparency and accountability, with sensible investment in fundraising and communication, and prudent expenditure on management support and administration.

UNDERSTANDING THE UNRWA FUNDING STRUCTURE
UNRWA is mandated by the General Assembly under resolution 302(IV) to respond to the needs of more than 5.6 million refugees in its five fields of operation until a just and durable solution is found to the refugee issue. Based on this mandate, UNRWA delivers essential services in the areas of education, health, protection, relief and social services, microfinance and camp improvement with the support of more than 28,000 national Palestinian staff members.

https://www.unrwa.org/how-you-can-help/how-we-spend-funds/core-programme-budget

More, back to reality:

ISTANBUL (AP) — A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

The comments by Khalil al-Hayya in an interview Wednesday came amid a stalemate in months of talks for a cease-fire in Gaza. The suggestion that Hamas would disarm appeared to be a significant concession by the militant group officially committed to Israel’s destruction.

But it’s unlikely Israel would consider such a scenario. It has vowed to crush Hamas following the deadly Oct. 7 attacks that triggered the war, and its current leadership is adamantly opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state on lands Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438#:~:text=ISTANBUL (AP) — A top,established along pre-1967 borders.

A new mechanism for getting lifesaving aid into Gaza will start in the coming days, UN Senior Humanitarian and Reconstruction Coordinator Sigrid Kaag announced in a briefing to the Security Council on Wednesday.

“The operationalisation of the mechanism will allow for pipeline prioritisation, predictability, visibility and tracking of supplies to Gaza,” she told ambassadors.

The new plan stemmed from Security Council resolution 2720, adopted in December, which established Ms. Kaag’s position and requested her to forge a UN mechanism to accelerate aid deliveries into the war-torn enclave, which now faces looming famine.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148956

Fleeing Palestinians gunned down despite waving white flags, buildings flattened with whole families inside - the Israeli army has been widely condemned for its conduct in Gaza. 

Israel blames Hamas for hiding behind civilians, and for starting the conflict with its October 7th attack. 

It’s rare to hear from soldiers who’ve served on the ground, but tonight one Israeli soldier tells us that what he witnessed turned him against Israel’s war. 

He's voiced by an actor to protect his identity. And a warning you may find some images upsetting.

14 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Have you been drinking Jeffs cooking sherry?

No, definitely not, I've been trying to buy a bottle of Harvey's Bristol Cream for ages, never seen any over here, has anybody?

2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Another one to bookmark An open antisemitic that is more that happy to preach hate speech. Shameful

If you consider that hate speech you need to get a sense of humour.

45 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

The Commissioner is useless at his job and he would say that wouldn't he. The whole country is ashamed at the state of policing In the UK, I would hardly describe Rowley as an Elliot Ness type officer more of an Elliot Mess!

The only reason you have the hump with whoever is in charge of Policing is because you cannot understand the way people feel about the carnage being committed in Gaza and elsewhere.

It's not about what happened on the 7/10, it's about what has happened after, modern comms are now getting out to a wider audience than before and Israel cannot control what the general population around the world sees.

Yes, I now the atrocities of 7/10by Hamas were despicable for the people concerned and yes Israel has a right to defend themselves but the whole World are not on the side of Israel, personally I've seen the same problems year after year, now there must be a different approach to this problem.

What the answer is I have no idea, greater minds than ours will eventually sort it out peacefully but this cannot continue as it is.

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

But he wasn't talking about this incident which is what this thread is about!

 

The Met commissioner stressed he was not talking about the latest incident with Falter. He said: “I’m not going to answer that in relation to the Gideon Falter incident … just to be crystal clear.

First 2 paragraphs:

The commissioner of the Metropolitan police has praised the “professional” conduct of the sergeant who stopped an antisemitism campaigner at a pro-Palestinian march and warned that officers at other protests had been “set up” by activists using “fakery” to undermine the force.

In an interview with the Guardian, Mark Rowley said the sergeant involved in the incident with Gideon Falter would not be disciplined and vigorously defended the Met’s handling of the six months of protests since the 7 October attacks on Israel.