MangoKorat

I first raised this topic in another thread and another member has stated that I'm wrong and there are allowances for not being able to provide evidence of income in your first year. He provided a link that contained the rules but as far as I can see, they only apply to retirement. I'd be happy to be wrong on this - I don't want to have to muck about getting several single entry visas but I've also seen others post that 40,000 income is not possible in the first year. From the link: Evidence of income of father, mother or husband who is an alien which shows that throughout a year, an average income is not less than 40,000 baht monthly. 1) A personal income tax form together with the payment slip 2) Evidence showing pension - a letter of certification on deposit in the bank in Thailand and bank statement showing money transfer from overseas every month for the past 12 months. Except in a case where the applicant's retirement is less than 1 year, the evidence must be from the month of retirement. For example, the retirement is started in October2018, the applicant must show pension payment evidence from November 2018 and pension payment evidence of the whole 12 months is required for the next year or; 3) Income certification certified by the embassy or consular

I have started a thread on this subject - perhaps you would like to comment there.

I remember it now you say.

My point behind this is that it anyone applying for a Non O based on marriage and wishing to use the income method to extend their stay has to provide evidence of either 400,000 in the bank or an income of 40,000 per month. Those who's embassies will not certify income have to provide 12 months documentary evidence of that income - in a Thai bank account. Those who have just moved to Thailand may find that impossible and have to provide 400,000 in the bank whilst collecting evidence of 40,000 income per month for the next year's application. Unless it can be shown that the 400,000 came from savings held before 31 December 2023, you could find that your assessable income in Thailand is 880,000 in that year. That's how I understand it anyway. An altertaive, may be, and this is why I wanted to know what it says on a single entry - to use single entries and extensions from a consulate/embassy like Savannakhet for the first year whilst gathering income evidence for the next. No income required for a single entry at Savannakhet (yet).

Thanks for that. Very strange that your previous multi should state no employment, I've had several and none have stated 'Employment Prohibited'.

And that disagrees with what I've said how? As far as I can see the only exception to providing less than 12 months proof of income is for retirement purposes.

You think you've seen it all and then..................................................

Huge!!!

I am aware that it is possible for someone who is married to a Thai national and either on a 12 month extension of stay or a Multi Entry Non O to obtain a work permit. Many Thai visas state 'Employment Prohibited' but a 12 month, marriage based Multi Entry does not. Does a 90 day, marriage based, single entry Non O state 'Employment Prohibited' or not? Does anyone have such a visa and can advise? Note: you will not find it says you can work - if you can, it will simply not have the 'Employment Prohibited' proviso on it.

In my case it wouldn't. I am selling my home in the UK which as it is my sole residence, does not attract taxation in the UK. I only want to use that money when I need to - otherwise it stays in the UK.

@Mike Lister Mike, could you pass comment on this please? I understand that when applying for a 12 month extension on stay, for example based on marriage to a Thai national, an applicant either has to provide evidence of having 400,000 baht in a Thai bank account or a having a monthly income of not less than 40,000 baht per month. Further, my understanding is that if using the income method and your embassy is one of those that will certify an income from abroad, you have to provide evidence of 12 months remittances. Therefore, for someone just arriving in the country and applying for a 12 month extension based on marriage, for their first year they would have no option but to put 400,000 in a Thai bank account then collect evidence of income over the next 12 months for the next application. Could that not lead to an assessable amount in the first year of 880,000 Thai baht (obviously depending on timing)? If so, Is there any way of avoiding that - such as sending the 400,000 back to your home country once the required amount of time (I believe 2 months) had passed? Could that be remitted then deducted or would it always remain income?

No, during discussions on another thread, someone posted a link to a list, I thought it was on here.......the list contained various regulations, police orders etc.

Rather than start a new topic and as replies to this may be of interest to the OP, can I ask: Am I correct in saying that the first application for a 12 month extension based on marriage must be made using the money in the bank method? Then, for someone wishing to use the income method - collect evidence of that income over the next 12 months? I could be missing something here but would that not render the applicant liable for an assessable income of 880,000 Thai baht in that 12 months?

Thanks for posting that - I've been looking for it for ages. I believe there is a list of documents and police orders somewhere on here but when I search for it, I can never find it. Do you have a link? I'm sure that either you or Dr Jack posted it previoulsy - I failed to copy the link on that occasion.

Yes I know you were. However, the Thai police's attitude seems to be that all they have to do is say sorry. I suspect that they will also have contributed to the Thai Police Benevolent Fund.

Nowhere near good enough - not even for the Thai side. I doubt even the Thai public will be satisfied. From a legal point of view, all three should be charged with assault and the one who kicked the guy in the head should be facing an attempted murder charge.

A better suggestion, why don't you stop writing your rubbish and get your facts straight?

Its not only Brits and that's the fact of it. Would I accept my countrymen sometimes behave badly abroad - yes. Would I say they are the only ones - no way. Using football hooligans as an example - the UK is often portayed as the hub of it, yet there is much more severe violence in many other European countries - Poland and Turkey spring to mind. Even then, its not limited to Europe - Indonesia has a long history of football hooliganism. Granted, there are nations who's young men behave much better than some but the problem of violence amongst and between young men is actually world wide. Although its not reported as much these days, Thailand had (has) a major problem with gangs at Technical Colleges - rival gangs of kids as young as 14-16 have even killed each other. A lot of violence in Thailand goes (intentionally I suspect) unreported. This is not a new problem and its wrong to say that one nationality is worse than others - its a problem concerning young men, mainly under 30 and when you introduce alcohol into the mix, things get far, far worse. Security guards are supposed to stop violence through restraint, not perpetrate it. There is no excuse for the behaviour of the Brits in this incident but there is even less excuse for the actions of the 'Security Guards'. Thailand will try to play this down because of the effect on the country's reputation/tourism. I hope that doesn't work this time and that the incident is given to publicity it deserves. The 'security' business in Thailand needs regulating in Thailand - just as it has been in the UK and many other European countries. Thugs and gangsters cannot be allowed to run these businesses.

Interesting - security guards are employed to inflict punishment by violence. You're a sick man.

Getting very very tired of your ridiculous comments!

Totally agree. Generally the respect you are shown, depends on the respect you both present and show others. Granted, there are exceptions and a few will always regard you as dog dirt - isn't that the same in all countries? I know there are people in my country that treat any and all foreigners very badly. I have always been shown, respect, kindness and been made welcome. However, on one night out with Thai friends we received a phone call from the friend of a friend telling us that drinks were taking place at someone's house. When we arrived one person made it clear that he didn't like me before we'd even spoken. My mates saw this and we didn't stay long. Nothing was said afterwards but I think my mates were more embarrased than anything else. That was one guy on one occasion - I don't think you can form an opinion of an entire country based on that. I have an Aussie mate in Thailand who is well known and loved by everyone locally. Thai's go to him for advice and he is very well respected by all. He treats everyone with respect and always has time for them - you get out what you put in. However, as a foreigner anywhere, you may have to put a little extra in. If I had to state where I had received the least respect then it would be with with officialdom - especially immigration. On two occasions Thai women just walked in front of me in a queue as if I wasn't there - something that's never happened before, anywhere. However, its just twice in almost 22 years.

No idea about the Revo but with other cars, if you change the language on that screen, the language changes for everything else.

I have and they go way too far - usually because they far outnumber their opposition. The ones I've encountered have been little more than thugs. They are there to provide security, the law is there to dish out punishments. If the Brits punched a girl, the police should charge them with assault. We had years of this from doormen in the UK until the law was changed and security staff were placed under much more scrutiny. Before that the job was usually performed by the 'hardest' guys in the area, regardless of how crazy they were. They often seriously injured people and I believe there were one or two killings. I'm not in any way defending the Brts behaviour but when you sell alcohol, you have to accept what goes with it - drunk people, sometimes out of control. The best doormen are trained in how to resolve a situation, not just beat the crap out of anyone who steps out of line.

It is always possible that he may not be able to obtain a 12 month extension under any scenario. When I was married I used 12 month Multi Entry Non O's because I was never in the country long enough to go through firstly, waiting until the last 15 days of my stay before applying and then the waiting time for the extension. He may well have the same problem as he appears to be interested in how long the application process takes. From the little information he does give, it would appear that he doesn't live in Thailand at the moment. Again, more information is needed before anyone can advise him accurately.

After marrying in Thailand - which is what I 'presumed' in my first reply. You advised him after my post. There are several ways that he could obtain an extension - he can choose the one that suits himself. There is no 'one way' for any of what he asks, nothing wrong with giving him options - especially when he doesn't say much about his current status.