MangoKorat

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel did ask the civilians to leave the war zone , Israel gave them a safe passage and instructions on how to leave and Hamas stopped them from leaving .

   Israel isn't obliged to give the Palestinians anything , Israel doesn't have to give Palestinians any aid at all .

   Why wasn't the girl transferred into Egypt ? They are Palestinians allie and Israel is their enemy .

Israel has just been investigated for war crimes by the ICJ and no charges were upheld against Israel  .

   Hamas HAVE and are currently committing war crimes , no need to even considered whether that have or not 

Where is your proof that Israel has given any safe passage?

Under International Law, I think you will find that Israel is obliged to provide civillains with basic sustenance and medical facilities and that not doing so is a law crime.

Your real feelings are clear now - I doubt that a dying 6 year old girl thinks about who is or is not her enemy.

Just about all your claims in support of Israel's actions in Gaza conflict with the testimony of many non Palestinian and non Muslim doctors and other aid workers that have been in Gaza recently.

The ICJ does not investigate war crimes, that is done by the ICC and their investigations into the actions of both sides are far from complete.

Prior to any of this the people of Israel were subjected to rocket attacks, bus and disco bombings commited by Palestinians opposed to Israel's occupation, the blockade, the theft of land and their general treatment at the hands of the Israeli's.  The current situation will end at some point so tell me, how many recruits will Hamas have gained out of what's been going on?  How many kids, who's entire families have been wiped out when Israel bomb entire apartment blocks to hit just one occupied by a Hamas suspect, will become the 'terrorists' of the future?

Israel wants an end to this but what they are creating is a situation where literally thousands of 'future terrorists' are being created - rather than an end, the situation is simply being perpetuated.

Even now at the height of the conflict, Israel is planning more new 'settlements' - further antagonising and de-stabilising the entire region.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-west-bank-settlement-homes-palestinian-shooting-attack-smotrich-netanyahu/

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It isn't terrorism no, unfortunately civilians  do get killed in war, that happens in all wars .

Oh well then, I apologise - its fine to kill thousands of people instead of allowing them to evacuate.

Its also fine to deny them medical aid, food and water?

Is it fine for Israel to refuse permission for a dying 6 year old girl, who could have been saved, to leave the country with doctors visiting from abroad?

I think you will find that a great many of Israel's actions will be regarded as war crimes when this is over, just as those of Hamas will. 

Just now, Wobblybob said:

You have a link to "most people want a full ceasefire"?

No - happy?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The UK agrees with fighting against terrorism , that is why the UK supports Israel on this matter 

And you don't think that killing 30,000 people, many of them women and children is terrorism?  You don't think telling them to move to Khan Younis then bombing it is terrorism?  Now they say they are going to attack Raffa - god knows what will happen there.

And also, its not the UK, its the UK government - a government which by the way, knows the vast majority of its people want a full ceasefire and an end to the killing in Gaza.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel doesn't comply with the U.Ks requests or demands , that's the your old colonialist  attitude showing  when the U.K colonised much of the World and told them what to do .

   Th U.K doesn't rule the World anymore and Israel doesn't do what the UK tells it to do .

Nothing to do with that - don't try to turn this into an argument over the UK's power.  The UK and the USA have power to influence Netanyahu's actions more than other countries simply because they both supply Israel with arms.

The UK by refusing to tell Israel to stop is supporting their actions, I am not trying to say that the UK has any world power and I'm not at all interested in that.  What I want to see is and end to killing - by both sides.  If Netanyahu loses the support of 2 key allies, his government would probably collapse and an end be found to the current conflict.

The UK by the way, has a lot to answer for in this matter - being mainly responsible for the state of Israel.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

By that, I mean the Israeli people are starting to protest against the Netanyahu government.

Oh, they've been protesting against him for a while - especially against his attemps to take control the judiciary and curtail their power to keep the government in check.  Interesting that he began that action whilst he is on trial himself on corruption charges.

In my opinion the law must be above the government in any democracy and members of the judiciary should not be chosen according to their political alignment (as in the US).  Once the government of a country has complete control, democracy is lost.

From 23 September 2023:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65086871

At the beginning of the current conflict Antonio Guterres commented that the Hamas attack on 7 October did not happen in a vacuum.  He was simply meaning that events and actions taken by Israel had led to that Hamas attack. He was not supporting Hamas in any way but he was taken wildly out of context.

What Guterres stated was a fact. Rather than try and create peace in the region, over the last few years Israel seems to have been doing all it can to escalate the situation, maybe I should say that Netanyahu and his right wing group are responsible for that.

I support neither the Israelis or the Palestinians they both need to accept that they each exist and find a way to live peacefully - nobody is winning in this situation.  Like a pair of kids - they need their heads banging together.

However, one of the reasons for the Hamas attacks is Israel's land grabs - stealing land in the West Bank that they refer to as settlements.  Amazingly, against the backdrop of the 7 October attack and the horrific conflict it sparked - Netanyahu is at it again by announcing MORE SETTLEMENTS in the West Bank.

The murderous actions of Hamas on 7 October are inexcusable but I wonder how any of us would react if we were continually kicked out of our homes and had our land stolen?  How would we react if the people we are up against are well armed and equiped whilst we have very few conventional methods with which to defend ourselves.

I despise Hamas and any other extremist group but I also despise the actions of Netanyahu in both stealing land and collectively punishing the Palestinian people for the actions of Hamas.

I am both disappointed and ashamed at my country's (UK) support for Israel and refusal to clearly tell them to ceasefire.

4 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Thais like money and they befriended the pows in ww2. Gave them food. Rural Thailand would be the best place to be.

 

 

To be honest, having property and other assets in Thailand, I'm more concerned about being deported or having to leave in a hurry therefore potentially losing everything.

Just now, KhunLA said:

You're still here aren't you ? 

 

Yes, the climate will change. 

Because of humans ... NO.   

Anything humans can do to prevent climate change ... NO

Will climate change affect human existence ... NO

Will climate change end the life on the planet ... NO

 

Will scare mongering make a lot of money for the climate change alarmist ... YES

Enough on climate change thank you.  Thai is not what this topic is about.

1 minute ago, noobexpat said:

 

True or not?

My age has nothing to do with my thinking, I don't think my feelings about the world have changed since I finished University in 2000.

It never fails to amaze me how people on here try to attribute member's thinking according to their age no matter what the topic is and that is the only reason I won't reveal mine. You'll just have to keep guessing.

3 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Mango, the internet has lots of loonies. The chance of war was higher last century imo. Russia and China have nothing to gain from a world war. Their leaders will be target for death. Look at what happened to Hitler and Mussolini.

I agree, nobody has anything to gain but will that mean anything to madmen like Putin?

The Houthi rebels are currently taking on a coalition including the US and the UK.  If that conflict actually took off, rather than simply trying to stop the Houthi's attacking shipping, they could be wiped out in a matter of days - yet they continue.  People or countries don't always do the rational thing and Putin is far from rational.

3 minutes ago, Dolf said:

17yos think climate change will ruin the world in 10 years.

Climate change has already ruined the world - the question is, how much can we salvage - if any?

Think I'm wrong?  Fires, Floods, Droughts mean anything to you?

I posted this topic following a discussion with a friend who left ThaiVisa long ago because, in his words 'its full of loonies' . I disagreed with him and stated that things had changed these days and the site is now called AseanNow.

So far I'm losing that fight.