MangoKorat

10 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Graph shows about 0.5 degrees of warming over 80 years but basically none since 1996.  

 

I can live with 0.5 degrees of warming over 80 years.

This will be my final reply to you.

You post as your evidence on Climate Change, a graph showing only 80 years and centering on Thailand?  Climate Change is global not Thailand centric.  You have selected that graph because you think it agrees with your position.

I suggest you look at the evidence from international organisations that cover the planet.

How about this one

'This graph shows the change in global surface temperature compared to the long-term average from 1951 to 1980. Earth’s average surface temperature in 2023 was the warmest on record since recordkeeping began in 1880 (source: NASA/GISS). NASA’s analysis generally matches independent analyses prepared by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and other research groups. Overall, Earth was about 2.45 degrees Fahrenheit (or about 1.36 degrees Celsius) warmer in 2023 than in the late 19th-century (1850-1900) preindustrial average. The 10 most recent years are the warmest on record.'

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

1 minute ago, Dolf said:

1. It shows a very mild movement up over a long period of time. Not much concern. 1940 was hotter than early 2000s 

 

2. The drought data proves you wrong as well. Worst one was 100,000 years ago.

 

So your alarmist views are not accurate.

 

 

1. A mild movement is all that's needed - events take place when they are triggered and they have been triggered. Water boils at 100 degrees, not at 99.

2. Its not my evidence you are trying to prove wrong, its that of the world's experts.

3. Again, they are not my views and neither are they alarmist. They are proven facts, driven by studies and data examined by the world's top brains who've spent decades investigating the matter.

As I said earlier, your views are invalid and of no consequence, by far the majority of the world's countries have accepted Climate change - the debate is over!

You seem to be claiming you know better than the world's best scientists. Perhaps you should go and talk at COP30 next year?

20 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Post some facts on Thailand with links. Otherwise it'd just words.

 

Where is the proof that nuclear war is going to happen soon?

 

 

There is no proof, you know that very well - how could there be? However, its clear to me - and the world's experts, that we are in very dangerous times and the potential for something stupid to spark a much bigger conflict is very real. 

I posted a link to the views of British experts on the subject, there are plenty more from others around the world.  I'm not going to enter into a circular debate with someone who would preach that black is white until the cows come home. All you would do is argue with any links I posted.

5 minutes ago, Dolf said:

I just posted the facts proving you wrong.

In fact you didn't - your temperature chart for example, the one that you say shows temperatures are roughly the same - in fact shows a steady trend upwards. In measuring any statistics, its the trend that's usually of importance.

Furthermore, temperatures illustrating climate change are considered using a range from around 1750 to the present - the period during which industrialisation has caused the current damage. The change between then and now is around 1 degree and that has been enough to trigger Climate Change. What is being attempted now is to prevent the temperature rising any more than another 1.5 degrees - so far we are failing and world weather events illustrate that.

I haven't posted and statistics to back up my points because I didn't think there was anybody left who didn't take Climate Change seriously.  What would the point be in debating the subject further with you? Your points are invalid and have been proven so countless times by people who know far more about the matter than you or I. Debating the matter would be like raking up the Brexit debate again, whether you like it or not, its happened.

Climate Change is a fact and has been well proven over decades.  I don't need any convincing, I've both seen and studied the evidence and have no interest in debating the subject.  What you think is insignificant and I mean that in the nicest way. The world's governments have accepted the existence of Climate Change and are acting on it.  Some are not doing enough, others are doing better but we all need to do more. Thankfully the deniers case no longer has any validity and the argument has switched to how to tackle Climate Change, not whether it exists or not.

4 minutes ago, Dolf said:

I just posted the facts proving you wrong. I'm neither an alarmist or a denier. I just look at facts without emotions.

 

I see you are an alarmist with no facts.

There is no alarmist intention in any of my posts - however, they are being taken that way by many, mainly focusing on 'nuclear winters' etc. That has little to do with the original question which was asking how safe expats feel in Thailand given that the world is in a dangerous state and Thailand will almost certainly align with China in any potential conflict - I doubt they'd be allowed to do anything other than that.

5 minutes ago, Paris333 said:

I do not understand your claims that Thailand is "riding two horses" in criminal index (incidence) .The official figures from Thailand is very good thanks to excellent Royal Thai Police Authorities.

Source:

Safety index score in Bangkok in Thailand from 2015 to 2022

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424842/thailand-safety-index-score-bangkok/

and here is thecrime index in Europe "paradise" 

Source:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Crime_statistics

I am foreigner from Greece/Athens and I never feel unsafe in Thailand furthermore many of my friends from E.U Countries feel very safe and comfortable in Thailand thanks again to Royal Thai Police Department.

Dont forget to tell a great thanks appreciation to Royal Thai Police Department in times where Police Authorities across the world are in daily social "firing range" because policemakers failed to implement their tasks. In other hand I worried about of juvenile criminal activities because 

Police officers do not have the right to arrest jouveniles when they are commiting crimes according to the Law. A couple of weeks ago I had a incidence with a little boy 16-17 years old when I sat outside of coffee store and he came to seek fire for his cigarettes from my friend (although I have quit smoking since 20 years ago).My friends lighter wasnt lit and the little guy started to shout us.

I wake up from my chair and told him "please leave us alone and go to find another lighter for your cigarettes because we just arrived from a cemetery and we are in bad mood".

The 16-17 years old guy started to shout me "I will f....you etc" and waitress woman from the shop came out and shout him to go away.

I told him "please go peacefully in your job because we just arrived from a cemetery and we are in bad mood" furthermore "another time you will f....me" okay?

The waitress woman from the coffee shop came out and shout him to get out of here I will call policemen and I correct her you probably mean "the guys with black uniforms who first start to beat and after....... half hour ask you what do you want"......Two guys who were sitting next to us to the next table wake up and told me congratulation for my patience and the guys were graduated from Harvard University besides of that they were both surpiced when I showed them my Identification Card and my work.......

When you see smoke from cigarette on street you call Fire Department to put it out?

Thailand is a safe destination for many people across the world and the only thing you should do if you want to improve your safety is :

1.Dont visit "red zone" districts where crimes occured

2.Υοu must inqire Thai Ministry of Justice or Thai Ministry for Inernal Affairs to change the current law of juvenile crimes beacuse Police Officers do not have the legal right to touch juveniles when they are commiting crimes activities but only Juvenile Prosecutor has the legal right to order an arrest fot minors or juveniles commiting crimes with guns or samurai knives......

 

Arai na?

30 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Did they not have fires, floods and droughts 200 years ago?

 

Worst recorded drought was 100,000 years ago

 

"By extracting sediment cores from Lake Malawi, one of the largest and deepest lakes on Earth, scientists determined in 2007 that sub-Saharan Africa experienced a series of mega-droughts from 135,000 to 90,000 years ago. Rainfall was so scarce, in fact, that the lake’s water level dropped some 2,000 feet,"

 

https://www.history.com/news/7-withering-droughts

 

Only 1 out of the top 7 occured recently.

Ahh so you're a climate change denier? All the world's top scientists are wrong? Fair enough, discussion over.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Thailand does ally itself with China, if a major conflict were to break out Thailand is not particularly useful to anyone. It's not particularly strategic

Not so sure I agree with the non strategic aspect.  I'm no mariner but looking at a world map, the Gulf of Thailand/Chao Phraya estuary would seem like an excellent place to locate a naval fleet. Bangkok and Laem Chabang ports would be useful and the whole lot appears to be easily defendable from 3 sides.

China has been very busy in recent years 'helping' countries in Asia to build new road and rail networks. Interestingly, 2 major projects, currently under construction, lead directly from China down through Laos to Bangkok.

Just now, Stevemercer said:

Thailand won't be attacked in the event of a world war. However, it will be dominated by China and may become increasingly subservient. Sooner or late China will come after any foreigners living in Thailand, particularly those nationalities seen as enemies. China would expect Thai authorities to round up such individuals and hand them over for 'safe keeping'. Thailand will oblige and may even 'nationalise' any assets for the benefit of the nation (read those in charge).

Precisely!

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I think we are very safe here, safer than in most other nations around the world. Think about it, though Thailand does ally itself with China, if a major conflict were to break out Thailand is not particularly useful to anyone. It's not particularly strategic and it doesn't have enough minerals or other resources to attract the attention of nations with bad intentions.

 

Granted if things were to get really crazy then the biggest cities in Thailand are probably the last places that you want to be. But, in general, I think we're very safe here. Especially in smaller towns and rural areas. 

Thank you for a very straight and honest answer - all that was asked for and all that was needed.

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You're commenting on how you see them...and scaremongering.

That is untrue.  Take a look at what the world's experts think of the current situation. Scaremongering was a term used quite often in the run up to WW2.

6 minutes ago, Dolf said:

And the land is more developed with less poverty duh

You're taking us into an entirely different area but the real reason that more crops are being grown than there were 50 years ago is because demand has increased.  That demand has resulted in the use of fertilizers and pesticides that are contributing to the destruction of the eco-system.  Climate change and destruction of the eco system are entirely man made phenomena.

You don't have to be be Einstein to understand that you can't take out, more than you put in - not without consequences. Nor do you have to be a scientist to realise that the smoke and fumes we have bellowed out into the atmosphere, particularly since 1750 has not been a good thing.

And humans are the most intelligent species?

We, including myself are heading right off topic here.

The sentiment of my original post is also being taken way out of context.  By 'safe' I was not refering to any threat from direct attack or nuclear fallout. What I am refering to is that the world is currently in a bigger state of turmoil than its been for a long time. Groups of allies are starting to emerge and China, unlike its position in WW2, is now a superpower. China, North Korea, Iran and Russia are clear allies with others likely to join that group.

Whereas Thailand in previous conflicts has previously tried to 'ride the winning horse' the likelihood is, that if a major conflict did kick off, Thailand would align with China.  Where would that leave any expats living in Thailand?  Would they be allowed to stay? Be locked up or deported?  If such a thing happened what would happen to any assets you own in Thailand.

People can say I'm scaremongering, a doomsday phrophet or whatever but the world's military experts agree that we are facing a very dangerous period.  The UK's expert's views are here:

https://news.sky.com/story/are-we-heading-for-world-war-three-experts-weigh-up-whether-russia-china-and-the-middle-east-could-lead-us-into-apocalyptic-conflict-13056131

Quote from Dr David Wearing, lecturer in international relations at the University of Sussex

"The danger here is not that one side takes the pre-meditated decision to spark the apocalypse, but rather that a conflict or area of tension escalates to a certain point, one party makes a move that another party misinterprets, and then a nuclear exchange begins despite the fact that no-one was looking for one.

"We should take that risk very seriously, especially over Ukraine and Taiwan"

50 minutes ago, Surasak said:

IF Putin does kick off, no matter where you are life will never be the same, IF life continues. The real point being, Just what the hell can any of us do? However, I do believe I am better off where I am initially, but then than may mean a slow death from the fall out, so which do you prefer???

I used to think the same - especially as in the UK I live about 3 miles from a US base.  However, after seeing the performance of Russia's conventional weapons and equipment in the Ukraine conflict, I'm not so sure now - although I accept it won't be good.

There's been a lot of talk recently on how Ukraine might be losing the war at the moment - considering what they are up against, or more correctly, the might of what their opponents are supposed to have, they should have lost long ago.  Quite frankly, their performance so far has been amazing.

'Global Firepower’s 2024 Military Strength Rankings evaluated 145 countries, assessing them based on their military capabilities.

The US ranked first out of the 145 countries analysed, followed by Russia in second position and China in third. The US scored 0.0699 (the lower the better), with Russia following a close lead with 0.0702 and China at 0.0706, it said.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/worlds-most-powerful-militaries-us-russia-china-b2480033.html

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Is that your only criteria if someone is a maniac?

Listening to any of this speeches for a couple of minutes should be enough. 

 

Agreed, which is why I didn't reply to the poster you quote. Anybody with half a brain who listens to Trump's ramblings and ideas would know the man's unhinged.  What to some extent worries me but mostly baffles me is quite how a loony gets 74 million votes.  I worry about what that says about 74 million Americans.

Some of the comments he's made and crazy things he's done or tried to do include:

(At the beginning of the pandemic, not exact but something like) "It won't be so bad, I guess the total deaths will be 50, 60. 70 thousand, certainly no more than 100,000".  The total number of Covid deaths in the USA according to Worldometers to date is: 1,199,436.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We then have the now famous claim that a type of disinfectant "which knocks it out in one minute" - it being covid. Trump was suggesting that people drink disinfectatnt to cure Covid.

(On Climate Change) He has called climate change "mythical", "nonexistent", or "an expensive hoax" Then later when the penny finally dropped, not that climate change is very real, but that denying it was costing him votes his thinking changed to "its a serious subject" that is "very important to me".

Strangely (or maybe not so strange for Trump) his comments on Climate Change have varied back and forth, its not a subject where he, for example, firstly didn't believe in it but then was convinced otherwise by the science - he's been all over the place on it.

In 2009 he signed a full page advert in the New York Times that stated, 'If we fail to act now, it is scientifically irrefutable that there will be catastrophic and irreversible consequences for humanity and our planet'.

By 2012 he was stating that Climate Change was "created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive"  - only when he received severe criticism on that statement did he claim he'd been joking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51213003

I would also suggest that people check out his Twitter posts throughout his presidency where, during periods of cold weather, he often stated that the cold weather disproves climate change.

I could go on but if the USA was my home country, I'd like to think that I had someone in charge that at least had a partially working brain.  Trumps wild statements over the years must have been a nightmare for his PR team who must have spent much of their time firefighting or on damage limitation - mainly as a result of his late night posts.

Anyone thinking of voting for Trump again should maybe watch the video below, I particularly like his comments that he should have been a doctor 😁😁😁.

3 hours ago, Dolf said:

Putin wants a gap between Russia and Nato.

Well he hasn't got one now - Georgia.

If he takes Ukraine, that will be joined by Poland.

Just waiting for him to state the Israel in not Occupying Gaza.

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The child could have gone from Egypt to Saudi  Arabia 

Israel would not allow her to leave.

You know very well that I am not refering to one child - you are saying that because you are being pushed into a corner that you can't defend.

The story of one child is simply an example - you know that very well.

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You will find that it isn't a war crime , Countries are not obliged to help the other side in a war .

Stopping civilians receiving aid from third parties is a war crime , but not supplying them yourself isn't  war crime 

I don't agree but I've spent far too much time on AN today.  I will try and find the truthful answer later. You might want to check out your answer against the rules for an Occupying Force which Israel is.

However, in the meantime, are you suggesting that Israel has not been stopping aid?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why would Palestinian parents want to send their injured child to the apartheid war criminal baby eating murdering genocide committing hospital bombing Israelis ? 🙂 

   Surely that would be the last place that they would want to send their child 

The doctors were hoping to take the girl to Saudi Arabia.

1 hour ago, Dolf said:

House in Thailand? Foreigners can't buy land unless over a certain amount.

I've 'owned' my house in Thailand for almost 10 years and I'm quite happy with the way I 'own' it.  How I do that is my business but its all done by a lawyer and I'm not going to enter into any arguments about that.  A foreigner cannot own land but they can protect their assets quite legally.  The amount to which they can protect their assets can vary according to what area their property is situated but a good degree of protection is possible in all locations. A foreigner cannot own land but they can own the house it sits on outright without any legal shenanigans. I am however, happy that I 'own' both the house and the land.

I am however, considering selling it at the moment, mainly because of local changes that don't suit me but also because world events + the actions of the Thai governement lead me to feel less safe than I was 10 years ago.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am most concerned about the USA, their military industrial complex, and their millions of christian fanatics

I have to say that the USA's future concerns me too - especially if Trump gets in.

22 minutes ago, Hokeus said:

If you feel insulted by any of this then I am sorry, but if you do then maybe you need to take closer at yourself to see what can be improved. Rant over. 

Not insulted at all - I just feel a little sorry for you.  Sorry that you don't seem to be able to read correctly, I don't actually live in Thailand right now. I'm not refering to any doomsday scenario - I'm simply asking how safe expats in Thailand feel right now given the REAL global situation.  A situation which a great many of the world's military experts think is a very real threat.

I also care very much about current world problems - as would be clear if you read my posts in other sections.  However, yes, I care about my future plans and what risks I might face. I wouldn't cross the road if I knew a bus was coming, maybe you'd just take your chances?