TroubleandGrumpy

Was. They are now officially copulated at the ballot box. They will either try some other distraction (Ukraine) or they will start preparing for when Trump's DOJ and FBI comes after them. Trump's DOJ and FBI will be managed by very few of the current senior people in charge - they will also be investigated.

Lets agree to block each other - but first - do you remember the funeral processions of Reagan and Thatcher? You know, the ones where all those lefty political protestors shouted abuse and threw things at the processions?? THAT is what left wing people do - and I guarantee that it never happens when a lefty President/PM dies - because right wing people are not mad as hatters.

All the way mate - Trump is the enemy of the swamp and they fear his 2nd Presidency more than they fear anything else, because they are going to be investigated and charged and completely decimated. They should have down-played 2020 and not used the Covid situation to allow their demented supporters to create so many fake mailed-in votes. We all know Biden was not supposed to win - it was his 'reward' for decades of support and for being depositioned by Killary as candidate in 2016. Trump has had 4 years to plan what he is going to do when he becomes POTUS again - and they are scared to death. No they did not plan this - nor did they plan what happened in 2020 - they created the atmosphere of hatred to wards Trump that lead to this shooting - they did the same for Reagan and it failed then too - but it worked for Lincoln who took their slaves away and destroyed their corrupted system of State Governments. I fear that they will next try to start a pseudo WW3 by inflaming Ukraine to do something seriously stupid, and thus generate the ultimate distraction to Trump destroying their entrenched corruption.

I can see why you are nobody's friend mate. Trump is going to think about it for sure - and his response is going to be to double down on everything. The GOP itself will also be re-thinking their internal politics - time for all the RINOs and Trump haters to go the same way as Liz Cheney and all her corrupted war mongering mates - out the door.

Make no mistake about it mate - left wing people are in the majority, are not good people. That is why so many of the ***bags and sexpats that infest Pattaya are left wing nutters. Absolute proof is their attempted jokes and support of the assassination attempt - contemptable people. I certainly am no fan of Biden or Clinton and Obama, but I do not want them killed by some random right wing nutter (maybe Killary).

Just block and ignore mate - total nutter/troll. This thread is revealing them all. Lefty or Righty is does not matter - they will react to this story like they always do. Dont argue - just block them - life is too short..

Blocked left nutter - this thread should reveal them all I hope.

Because the nutter left wing supporters have views that are all because of their emotional beliefs - they will never understand what has happened until the outcomes smack them in the face/rear end. The People of America (the ones with most of the guns), have now had enough of the duplicitous lying attacks on Trump and the constant race baiting and gay issues baiting tactics used by the Democrats to marginalise the people. IMO they are going to pay big time - it is the Dems that has caused the divide in America and unlike in that idiotic movie - the 'right' side is going to win and end this divide one way or another. The gloves are off - they tried to kill the people's President - and the people are going to make them pay.

While claiming all far right nutters represent MAGA lefty nutters deny one of your own - they need to own it and grow up and face reality. Biden made a speech saying "Unite This Country" - what a effin joke - this demented lunatic and his political Party and their media mates have been attacking Trump relentlessly for years. Remember this 'speech' below where he claimed MAGA was a threat to Democracy and the American people? If you stir up your supporter base with hatred and lies - this is what happens. Same thing happened to Reagan - and Lincoln.

IMO based upon current TRD 'practice' they dont want 1 or 2 - which does ignore the technical BS literal rules - but that is their decision. Immigration and TRD also do not enforce the Law that states all Foreigners must get a tax clearance certificate before leaving Thailand. Immigration does not enforce the literal words in the TM30 Law and many other Laws. Police do not enforce the rules (much) regarding wearing a helmet - and many other traffic rules. Thailand does not follow the centralised nanny state government process where every single thing they do is written down in a rule or in a regulation, and where every single person can challenge them if they do anything that is not strictly within those rules and regulations, or challenge them if they do something that is contrary to those rules and regulations. Compliance with every single literal rule and regulation, and armies of bureaucrats constantly updating and amending those rules and regulations, and another army training all the bureaucrats on any new changes or amendments, is NOT how Thailand operates. That is why in Thailand, the reality is that Officers across all Government positions have full legal autonomy in their interpretation and application of the 'rules'. TRD has made it clear what they want - they do not want 10s of millions of unneeded tax returns - but they are not going to rewrite the rules - but they can change that at any time - stay tuned folks.

More confirmation that the advice I got, not to lodge a tax return is correct, and that TRD does not want people to lodge a tax return if they are not employed and if they have no tax to pay or to claim back. That is why as advised by the other tax expert, TRD does not chase retired/married old Expats living in Thailand or all the 10s of millions of Thais that do not lodge a return. No is that official -= NO - but it is how TRD has operated with regards to filing a tax return. Will that change this year - maybe - stay tuned. As stated before, I have calculated that I have no tax to pay in Thailand, after allowances, exemptions and DSTA provisions, so therefore I will not be lodging a tax return - and I will be keeping detailed records of those calculations and the financial records used - unless TRD states that I and 10s of millions of other Thais must lodge a tax return.

Thanks - that is good information. I am sure that a basic lodgement would only take 15-30 minutes or so, if all documentation is available as it was for you and nothing needed to be attached. But I doubt if anyone was doing a full online return and claiming exemptions and allowances that it would probably not be so simple, but with most Expats there will be issues that have something to do with a DTA and that is not possible to lodge online. But TRD has said that they are revamping the online system - lets see what comes out later this year.

Ok of course - not saying dont sell the house. As long as you know that Thailand might tax incoming remittances from UK that are from the sale of a property (made after 1 Jan 2024), and if they do ever implement a worldwide system then they will definitely look to tax that money for the sale of the house. If he is old and frail (nor or later) moving in and out of Thailand to avoid taxation is not a wise move IMO - moving can be very stressful for the very aged. Queensland is a good option - small Regional town on the coast - Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Cairns? If enough money then go to north Brisbane.

Wow - Germany is definitely not a place to visit for longer than 3 months.

Yes indeed - either way you think to go (lodge or not lodge) if you are a tax resident it is wise to plan and prepare.

We have a Honda CRV and it is great - very popular in Thailand and a great vehicle. It drives like a car and extremely comfortable on our long runs and plenty of room for golf gear and luggage etc. If I was single and did not have to occasionally carry so much stuff, I would probably try the Honda HRV which is a bit smaller and has great handling and comfort too (a guy I know has one).

Good thinking mate - and anyone else with 'investments' needs to think carefully too about whether to live/stay in Thailand. I am hopeful they will back off and give Foreigners exemption, but at the very least I hope that they will not pursue enforcement. But as soon as any Expat is hauled into their local TRD Office and is asked to explain all their remittances into Thailand in the last year (as advised to them by banks etc.), then we all know this aint going to be let go. If they ever do move to a global system, then that is the end of Thailand for me and a lot of retired/married Expats. Like you I am planning ahead for both scenarios - only taxing remittances could be OK - but taxing worldwide is unacceptable. Even the USA only taxes worldwide income for full Residents and Citizens (not Foreigners living/working in the country).

Excellent point and in fact very on point for me. We went into the local bank this week (just moved from another Province) to open two bank accounts with a bank that we both had accounts in the previous Province, and the bank clerk initially said no for me as I needed all new documents and Immigration 'proof'. She listened to what myself and the Wife said and agreed to ask her Boss. She did that and when she came back she said 'OK'. Me thinks like you, and a tax 'officer' is going to be far more 'hardened' and will not lose face by going and asking the Boss.

Bugger - that is a tough situation. Couple of things to consider. Many other countries nearby (if he likes the weather etc here) dont tax his money. If he sells his house in UK and brings that money into Thailand it is taxable - big time. Sorry - but Thailand is NOT the place to come if he is bringing money into Thailand from sale of a house. IMO Thailand is not the place to come if you are retired - if this was happening in 2012 I would have retired somewhere else. Sorry - it is what it is and your family member is definitely not suitable for Thailand. Whilst most of us can handle whatever happens if we are audited etc. I would suggest if any chance of that happening then dont live here.

Winner of the day - well done mate.

I have read probably every web page about the Thai tax change - and you are absolutely correct. Their job is not to say what is going on - not what is actually happening. Even if there are millions of people riding a bike without a helmet every single day and none of them get into any serious trouble (accident aside) some people will demand they are wrong and must wear a helmet. Me - I am happy to pay a small fine on the basis that I can prove I have no income taxes to pay. I am not avoiding them because of the rules, I am avoiding them because I know how things in Thailand actually work. And my many years on this planet has taught me that it is always wise to stay in the back when they are seeking volunteers for some stupid mission that some lunatic thought was a good idea.

Exactly - and if they increased VAT to 8, 9 or even 10% I would have no problems with that. But hitting up long stay Tourists for income taxes without anything in return, when 70-80% of the population pays Zero income taxes, is IMO a joke that only the dheds in Thailand would try to implement. As with most Thais, my Wife has a very large extended Family plus they are close to a lot of people in their home village. She and her Mother and Sisters have asked around, and not one of them has ever lodged a tax return - none.

Good point - and well noted - I will think more about that. If things do go full bore forward and the TRD comes hunting for Expats, then in 1-2 years there will be two clear choices. 1. Live in Thailand less than 180 days going forward, 2. Lodge a tax return and see how it goes. I and the Wife are very much leaning towards option 1. In fact we plan to visit The Philippines and Malaysia (Penang) next year and take a look around. Both those countries do not tax Expats on money they bring into the country from overseas - they both have far more reasonable and sensible people running the country - and no 90 days reports and annual extensions are easy and painless.

Yes to number 2. My assessable income was reduced by the DTA provisions, and then after deductions and allowances my tax paid was zero. I am married so that included doing a joint return and my Thai Wife earns no income.

I hear you - and it is not definite - but as I said, the TRD are moving in that direction. It was announced by TRD that they are planning and looking to implement global taxation, and it has not been withdrawn or questioned by anyone in the Thai Govt. Thailand’s tax landscape is undergoing a significant transformation with proposed amendments aiming to tax worldwide income and expand the tax base to include online platforms. These changes, spearheaded by the Revenue Department under Director-General Kulaya Tantitemit .............. Navigating Thailand's Tax Landscape: Implications of the Proposed Worldwide Income Tax and Online Platform Taxation - MPG (mahanakornpartners.com) I am not saying they are definitely going to do it, and you might be right in that they need to change the Tax Laws, but this is Thailand and things are not always done according to the rules. They are desperate for more money - the TRD were apparently 70Billion Baht short of their 'target' last year - and it looks like anything that is likely to increase taxation grab is on the table. Seems to me the current Govt is thinking very short term and just wants things done now, irrespective of what might happen in 2-3 years. The BOT still recommends not to do the 10K handout, but the PM is hell bent on going ahead with that election bribe - even though they were not 'elected' as such.