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And Trump is such a moron that he will brag about it.

Bizarre topic. She did have a totally public relationship with Willie Brown though. Brown was technically married at the time but long separated. Age gap? Sure. So what?

Exactly. Anyone with a brain knew that before but Trump had refused to describe the solution preferring to be mysterious and excite fans magical thinking of him as God figure. Vance I think stupidly spelled it out. Remember when republicans weren't surrender monkeys? I see that not even the Putin fans here have bothered to suggest that the Vance "peace plan" is anything other than a massive victory for Russia with NOTHING for Ukraine in return.

Well it's not news that we have both Trump type cultists here and also some full blown Z people from Putinlandia.

The "peace plan" that Vance describes is absolutely a win for Russia. So yes Trump does want Russia to win. DISGUSTING but true.

To be clear. I am not predicting the war outcome. I am saying I want Ukraine to win and I'm also saying that it's possible for Ukraine to win. The US election is a big deal here and also continued western support without constraints. Unfortunately, there is bad news on that front -- Germany. But the balancing good news is that Ukraine is building their own strong internal weapons building machine so if Trump loses and Ukraine can make it to the winter, things could be very different in the spring.

Soon. Very soon. The rationale and it's a good one is IRAN.

Total lies. Zelinsky decided to stay himself. I get you know. Trumpist propaganda. You said you're not happy to see Russia win. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU.

Illegal vote not recognized internationally. Don't even bother suggesting it was anything else.

There are other reasons for Ukraine to take Russian lands. Increase their missile range. Try to bait Russia out from Ukraine front lines (didn't work unfortunately). Refusing to play the game of a conventional attritional war which they can't win, but they can win in other ways. Something that is working. Bring the war back home to Russia. Russians are starting to realize Putin isn't the winner he portrays himself as. The economy is suffering greatly. The Russian people aren't likely to storm the Kremlin, but it becomes more and more likely that powerful Russians will throw him out a window.

Donbass is Ukraine. You're free to spread your Putin Z fascist propaganda here or anywhere you like though.

Again, it's not over. Putin was going to take Kyiv in two days. I have nothing really to say to people like you spreading such blatant misinformation. I don't understand your motivation to do that either.

I am not talking about the US military being involved.

Bizarre post. I started the thread.

There's always some jokers on the internets.

I'd rather not but that's very true. What a disaster that would be.

No, it's not over. It's looking like Ukraine is getting permission to use long range missiles within Russia soon.

So you're talking more like eight years from now. Good luck. I would welcome a more normal republican party but I think it's going to be harder than you think to de-maga-ize. It's bigger than Trump.

As far as a much fairer peace deal, sadly Ukraine might need to do give up lands permanently to Russia but for that to happen they need something very big in return -- EU and NATO membership.

Moronic straw man argument not worth seriously responding to. Russia started the war in 2014.

How is that happening?!?

I will add something that should be obvious but probably isn't to many. WANTING Ukraine to win isn't the same thing as saying Ukraine WILL win. The west has bought into Putin's nuclear threat fear mongering and has placed way too many restraints on what they will allow Ukraine to actually do. So the west has wanted to Ukraine to win but not made it possible out of fear of Ukraine actually winning. As more and more of Russian's so called red lines are crosssed, it has become more clear that Putin's threats are all bluff. For Ukraine to actually win, they will need much more aid from the west and also the end of unreasonable restraints. Iran's recent missile aid to Russia is turning the tide. But the US election is paramount.

What kind of US president can't answer YES to that question? A US president who is Putin's poodle. A US president who still feels butt hurt that Zelinsky wouldn't agree to assert dirt against Biden to win the last election (and was later impeached for that). For sleaze ball arguably traitorous Trump, everything is transactional, and everything is about his personal grievances. It's shocking that he still has a decent chance to take power again. The future of this war, the future of Ukraine continuing as a sovereign nation, possibly the future of the world depends on the upcoming US election.

The thoroughly unlikeable JD Vance recently gave away Trump's so called peace plan. It's a total surrender! Allow Russia to keep all occupied lands. Have Ukraine withdraw from Russian land. Have a so called demilitarized zone. Have Ukraine pledge to not seek NATO or EU membership. If anyone sees that as a fair peace compromise, you're totally deluded. Putin could paint that as a massive victory and he'd be right.

No, it's a war topic.