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Wow! I'm beginning to understand where the first part of your AseanNow name, "Wobbly," comes from. You seem to be unable to answer a simple question. When I am asked a direct question, I immediately respond with "Yes," "No," or "I don't know," perhaps followed by my now-famous "but" and a clarification of my answer. I'll try a third time with you... My question was not about terrorist lives, it was about Palestinians' lives. Do you value Israeli lives more than Palestinian lives?

Overkill...

Okay, but you've seen the photos. In many places, ALL the buildings were destroyed. People were lying dead in the rubble. They weren't all Hamas terrorists. The reports I've read say 30,000. So you don't believe that. How many do you think there might be? 20,000? 10,000? How about only 5,000? My question again is, do you value Israeli lives over Palestinian lives?

So you're not concerned with the 30,000 or 20,000 or 10,000 Palestinians who have been killed in Gaza? Do you value Israeli lives over Palestinian lives?

It's NPR! Where do your links get their figures? The IDF? Israel's government?

Gaza death toll surpasses 30,000 but it's an incomplete count : NPR

As I have posted before several times, I think Hamas knew exactly what the ramifications would be when their fanboys attacked Israel on Oct 7. And that is, Israel would counter-attack with such ferocity and abandon that the entire world would finally see what was going on in Israel/Palestine, and support for Israel would begin to wane. And, it seems to be working.

No excuses, just clarification. I read your posts, BUT I don't enjoy them.

If you call the Oct 7 terrorist attack that resulted in the deaths of about 1,200 people and numerous soundings, rapes, and hostage-taking, "the most barbaric slaughter of Jews since the holocaust," what would you call the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza that has caused more than 30,000 Palestinians? Just wondering...

I believe what he is saying, or what he SHOULD be saying, is Israel has no right to claim they have an EXCLUSIVE right to the land because they believe their ancestors lived there. The Palestinians also have a claim to the land, and both those claims need to be acknowledged and dealt with in a two-state solution.

Every war has "intensional, murdering, raping, child killer fanboys" on both sides. My own country, the USA, had those in Vietnam, and I'm sure in every other war we ever fought. Name me a war that didn't have them - on both sides. This war is no exception. I do consider the Hamas Oct 7 attack "terrorism" and despicable. I make no excuses or justifications for it. But, what I can see is what Hamas believes are justifications for that attack. I have posted my speculations on that earlier. You seem to want to think everything started on Oct 7. If that were the case, and if Oct 7 came out of nowhere, I'd agree with you. But it didn't, and surely you know that.

Thanks!

So, you think everything in Israel/Palestine was hunky-dory until Oct 7? No problems? Just Israelis and Palestinians sitting in front of their temples and mosques, holding hands and chanting prayers in Hebrew and Arabic?

Been drinking this morning? Only orange juice, iced tea, and then a Coke with lunch. How about you? And, while you're at it, would you tell me what you think this at least 85-year-long conflict has been about and what kind of people have caused it?

I'm out!

Okay, but that doesn't mean they originated from there. I call Brazil Brazil, but my forefathers were not from there. That must have been what the Jews called it when they arrived there after escaping slavery in Egypt and wandering around the mountains and deserts for 40 years - or so the story goes. They are the ones who wrote the story down in the Torah/Old Testament.

No, I speak the truth, you just don't want to accept it: @Wobblybob, I see I am not the only one having trouble getting you to admit and accept things.

I'm tired of going over the same thing again and again with you. Anytime I quote someone, I do so like the quote of your post above, or "I enclose it in quotes and put it in italics like this." Anything I did in my previous posts about or addressed to you is like that. You can deny them if you want.

It is still a proposal! It's not a mandate like the one Israel gave to Hamas.

I did not lie. I'll wait until you do it again, which I'm sure you will, and call you out on it then.

If all the participants in the 574-state agreement accept them, they do.

I won't be responding directly to this. I've done so about three times, and none of them satisfy you. I have no idea why you keep accusing people of things and then, when called on it, refusing to explain why you did. I'm sure you'll keep on doing it. I'll call you out on it again then.

Here is what you posted previously: "I get it alright and I get that your magical year of 1948 seems to you to justify the barbaric crimes by Hamas commited on 7/10. " You accused @Jeff the Chef of justifying "the barbaric crimes by Hamas..." I don't believe he was "justifying them, but explaining why Hamas thought they were justified. Can't you understand the difference?

Although this comment was not directed to me, my response is that we are not trying to "justify" anything. We are just explaining the other side's perspective and why THEY might think the actions are justified.

How about this: - A 574-state soltuion. Specific division is to be discussed and agreed on by all involved; - Enforced by the IDF; - No ceasefire needed; - No exchange of hostages needed; Okay?