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1 hour ago, hanuman2543 said:

Any more excuses? You have been proven wrong and should accept that instead of deflecting.

I am proven wrong? Where? Clean your eyes man...

It was in TV news that Putin got the vaccine. Also, it was his statement during speech last week on national TV.

However, my opponent BkkBrain said that Putin got no Sputnik injection - this is intentional lie.

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh ok, first you said it was on tv, now you admit it was off camera, seems like we need to take a little care with what you post. P.S. Nay sayer like me....lol

I'll advise him he should invite BBC and CNN next time ????????

4 minutes ago, thequietman said:

No, it wasn't.

 

He said he took it and that was that.

That's more than enougth. No cheap PR.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not my imagination but an older report, yes I see he has but without camera's

 

Coronavirus: Russia's Putin gets vaccine but without cameras March 23rd. Better late than never

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56498847

He said that during his speech last Thursday...

Well, if it was with a camera, you would have said 'we are not sure maybe not a vaccine jab'... Why he needs to pose for nay-sayers like you? ????

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Australia has only now opened a travel bubble with NZ. Both countries have been very harsh when it comes to infections and lockdowns and both have tested vigerously.

They are both on the islands. Thailand is not. This is major difference I explained many times here. Officially closing Thailand will NOT stop the virus.

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

So all international transmission of new deadly variants threatening the modern world's existence are due to business travellers?

 

I never said that.

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thailand's reward is keeping the borders shut

They are not shut, migrants travel freely and bring in the infections. They are shut only for business people.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How many infected people does it take to start a pandemic?

Pandemic is already here. There is no need to catch only one, if thousands of others are around.

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

They should raise the quarantine back to 14 days the way it was, or beyond.  Lowering it as a pandemic peaks was foolish.

 

In our office building, there are only 3 companies now, but used to be full one year ago. All others are out of business. Well, bring it back to 14 days, or one month - who cares? Who will pay the taxes and salaries? Kill the economics completely...

Most of countries now do not impose state quarantine for business travellers. Yes, they do not allow tourists.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You do realise that these flights people travel on are normally half full with Thai's returning home, Thai's have no legal obligation to get tested before they board the flight to return to Thailand. Those flights are a cesspit of airborne virus and why so many arrive each day infected, probably having caught it on the flights, along with the Thai's bringing back.

Yes I do realise. And I dont think this is correct.

However, even now infection rate from flights, arrivals or whatever is low - only 0.38% of total cases. (well we assume 2000 cases today, but is this the real number?). This is minor % compared to local transmission and illegal migration.

Just now, dinsdale said:

Comlete rubbish. Just admit it. This virus and all its varients doesn't work this way. Within 72 hrs you can contract it then fly without symptoms and be contageous. I.m astounded people still don't understand the very basics of this virus set upon this world from the CCP.

I think rubbish is in your head.

I keep saying that 72H tests reduce the risk, not completely eliminate the risk.

7 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

 

Your ENTIRE argument is that, "migrants are coming over illegally, so we should throw away every other guardrail we have".  It is so incomprehensibly stupid that it hurts to even think about

 

It's like a (different) country saying, "well some people are going to drive recklessly anyway, so we should throw out all traffic laws"

It is not stipud and I proved it by numbers. Only 0.38% of infections are from quarantined people. So why keep them locked??

Thailand is not an island and people will keep crossing the borders in the jungle. Why not adapt the scheme to let them enter legally??

On a road, one can put cameras and fines, this will help. This not possible with the virus brought through the jungle by illegal migrants. 

Just now, phills2k1 said:

 

I truly don't think you know what "acceptable risk" actually means. 

 

They're minimized to a reasonable level with the system in place.  Allowing masses of people in with only 72 hours of virus coverage, when we know that it can take more than a week to become contagious, is not an acceptable risk

That is your opinion. Read the medical press on PCR testing first.

I never suggested to allow masses of people to Thailand. I only suggest limited number of business travellers. This will also help to organize migrants who are now entering without any tests becasue they can't comply with present entry requriements. Overall, with this approach the risk will reduce.

1 minute ago, rabas said:

They are tested in quarantine multiple times.

Who? Illegal migrants? They are not tested at all.

Legal arrivals in quarantine are tested on Day 5 and Day 9. I went through it, they are NOT TESTED on arrival.

1 minute ago, phills2k1 said:

 

And for those people who become contagious after 72 hours?

 

The risks should be minimized to reasonable level but can't be completely eliminated. This is how real life works.

They should set workable system; they one they have now with quarantine is not workable.

15 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

And you want to open the borders for businessmen from India to arrive on day 5 and day 9 so that they would not be tested, That is real good risk management. Where did you get your qualifications from? A Corn Flakes packet.

Legal international arrivals get tested max 72 hours BEFORE DEPARTURE. Now they are NOT TESTED ON ARRIVAL. This is some sort of safety compared to illegal migrants who cross in thousands, without any tests at all.

What I was suggesting is: cancel state quarantine, make test before departure and on arrival. This would be good practical solution workable for migrants, and without travel restrictions imposed on business.

Anyway with current rate of domestic infections quarantine has no sense.

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

They do test on arrival and then quarantine.  Where do you get your information from.

Test who? Illegal migrants?? ????

And now for legal international arrivals:

In Thailand with 10 days Quarantine they only test on Day 5 and Day 9. They DO NOT test on arrivals.

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And so you propose letting Thailand sink like those other countries with the millions of infected and deaths. 

I am not proposing that. I am looking of what can be done to prevent this country sinking either from the virus or from economical problems.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

To avoid this and to avoid the need to purchase more ventilators then the ONLY solution is lockdown. This will also reduce further unnecessary deaths and serious cases.

They do need to purchase more ventilators.

Lockdowns were justified one year ago. But if now someone is going for lockdown this means he wasted one year and did not prepare.

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

  The hospitals here are very full, the field hospitals are isolating people and now they have Hospitels to assist as well.  Testing more is needed in my view in order to see the true numbers, but by doing so will only increase the numbers in all of the facilities.

Frankly speaking, this isolation of asymptomatic/light cases in field hospitals will not work. People will just skip testing, and avoid being placed in those detention centers. This isolation can't be enforeced in reality.

Waht they need is more ventilators and more facilities to handle heavy cases.

1 minute ago, rabas said:

I understand risk and probability well. We are discussing the introduction of a new dangerous variant. It does not happen from local cases.

 

Lets look at real data.  12 times the UK variant tried to enter the country through quarantine since December. (see GISAID, Thailand sequences all cases in quarantine). All were stopped. Then one case  snuck in from Cambodia.  Without quarantine the UK wave would have started long ago.

I could agree with that. But the variants will be here anyway, by illegal crossing. They are already here.

And look - the UK arrivals are not in 14 days quarantine list, though African are. UK arrival can quarantine 7 or 10 days...

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

 Never sat in a bar in my life, successfully ran my own company as a CEO, but do to covid I closed up, laid off my employee's, gave them severance packages which were generous, and moved into retirement 100%. 

This is the difference between us. We did not close down, did not kick the staff out and my people are getting salries. And we keep paying taxes here, thus supporting the country. But some reasonable management from governemnt is needed to help the businesses...

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You are wrong, lockdown is needed to avoid the hospitals being overwhelmed. 

 

This is basic risk management.

 

 

This is exactly what I am saying.