Alan Zweibel

Yes, but they were being well treated by muslim rulers. Which is something you have repeatedly denied is a fact. Timur was a Mongol conqueror. Just like Genghis Khan after him. Genghis Khan also killed lots of Christians without being a Muslim.

The Trump administration claimed that they are being singled out for murder. Not true. Who is telling them to leave The South African Government? Stop making things up. And even if it were true, how does that compare to the awful situations of people who actuallyl are refugees? People who have been vetted and now have to get behind in line behind prosperous white poeople. There was a law passed that would expropriate some of the land that was taken from black africans in the 2nd half of the twentieth century. Maybe you don't remember how black Africans who lived in the richest agricultural regions there was rounded up and herded into regions called homelands. Anybody who agreed to take those lands or their descendants deserves to have them confiscated. But so far, that hasn't even happened. Your concern for people of color is obviously fake.

You must do very little reading and be very selective about what you read. Care to share your sources? Or maybe you should just stop making things up: https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin Even polls that usually give Trump positive numbers like Rasmussen and RMG have him negative. And as for issues: https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

Please spare me your attempts at invoking race. Out of all the people fleeing repression, starvation and murder in the world, you know who Donald Trump chose to give priority to? White South Africans. You don't seem to have a problem with that even though they are not being persecuted. He just invited them to the front of the line.

As for Timur...who was ruling the countries that he attacked? Muslims. In fact, Timur waged war massively against muslim nations and others as well. I asked chatgpt for a summary of Timur's career vis a vis his religion: Invasions of Georgia: Timur launched multiple invasions into the Christian Kingdom of Georgia between 1386 and 1403. These were officially proclaimed as a jihad against non-Muslims, resulting in massacres and the taking of tens of thousands of slaves. Invasion of India: In 1398, Timur invaded northern India (the Delhi Sultanate). Although the ruling sultans were Muslim, Timur justified the extreme violence and massacres of the population on the pretext that they were showing excessive tolerance to their Hindu subjects. His forces carried out widespread slaughter and destruction, particularly in the city of Delhi, and he reportedly ordered the killing of 100,000 Hindu prisoners before the main battle. Siege of Smyrna: In 1402, after defeating the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid I, Timur captured the city of Smyrna (modern-day Izmir), a stronghold of the Christian Knights Hospitaller. He styled himself a ghazi (warrior of Islam) for this victory and ordered a mass beheading of the defenders. Campaigns in the Caucasus: He also attacked and devastated other non-Muslim populations in the Caucasus region, such as Assyrian Christians and a surviving Indo-Iranian people called the Alyani. Although he was a devout Muslim and used religious rhetoric to legitimize some of his conquests, he also attacked and destroyed cities within the Islamic world (such as Baghdad and Damascus), often in response to resistance or to consolidate power.

I forgot your comments about the Muslim rule of India. I guess this is why there are so few Hindus today? Did the Moghuls ban the practice of Hinduism? And it's funny that you invoke history to blame Muslims for enslaving people. Can you think of any other religious group that practiced slavery?

If the Turks were as brutal as you would have us believe, why did Christian orthodox churches not only survive but thrive in eastern europe? Why did the Turks accept the Jews who fled the murderous anti-semitic Catholic forces. Jews prospered in Turkey for centuries. So did Christians. Yes, Invaders who were Muslims invaded Spain and set up a caliphate. So what? Do you think wars of conquest are a Muslim invention? Christians and Jews were still allowed to practice their faith. And what happened in Spain after the reconquest by Christians? Muslims and Jews who survived were expelled. It's estimated 300,000 Jews were murdered by Christian forces. Yes, there were some bad actors who were Muslims. But Muslims were far more tolerant overall of other religions than Christian Europe. Christian and Jewish communities thrived in Muslim ruled areas. When the Crusaders reconquered a piece of the mideast, things went quickly south for the Jews there who had lived under a comparatively benevolent Muslim rule. The Crusaders engaged in mass slaughter of the Jews. And what about the pogroms and oppression of the Jews in Christian Europe that led to the Jewish refugees fleeing to the New World. In the 19th century the Catholic church was still helping to persecute Jews.

Given that you suggest the possibility of demonic forces, your take on this is not surprising.

Echolalia much?

And you still sound like you're deflecting. This time by trying to make this personal rather than the insanity of your invocation of possible demonic forces.

In other words, you have nothing germane with which to address my response to the issue that you raised.

Making things up much?

In other words, you have no rational defense for your comment.

Well, Peter Thiel, the guy who got JD Vance to where he is today, said that Greta Thunberg could be the antichrist. You're just slinging more of the same Dark Ages ****

What don't you understand about the fact that in the Mideast and in Spain Muslims and Christians lived in harmony for centuries. It was only in the 20th century that things started to go south. So tell me, is there a new version of the Quran that was published a 100 or so years ago that changed everything? And let's say for the sake of argument that there was nothing in the Jewish or Christian bibles endorsing violence against those who held other beliefs. How did that work out in practice?

For the purposes of this situation, a moderate muslim would be one not involved or supportive of the murder of people because of their faith. Yes, moderate muslims are being killed in Nigeria. Lots and lots of them. And I don't know what the fate of their children is. What's your point?

Right. You're not obsessed. In response to an article about anonymous donors to Trump's ballroom your answer was: "Biden left already. You're ten months behind the power curve." A ridiculous attempt at deflection.

Another obsessed party offering deflections.

You claimed Boko Haram has been mostly stifled. Now it's back to being a serious threat? As the source I cited noted, "ACLED research shows that out of 1,923 attacks on civilians in Nigeria so far this year, the number of those." targeting Christians because of their religion stood at 50." 50 or even 100 attacks justify US military intervention? You think that a US attack is going to solve the problem of Sharia law? What do you think is going to be the result of such an attack? You don't think Islamic extremists will rouse nationalist and religious sentiment against Igbo Nigerians of whom there are roughly 35 million? What's the plan to protect all of them in the aftermath of such an attack. Is Trump going to those visas he's prioritized for white South Africans We he issue refugee visas to the potential millions who might have to flee. Will US troops occupy Nigeria? How did the occupation of Iraq go? And I notice you have no answer for the fact that Donald Trump has an ongoing over-the-top bromance with the President of the UAE, the guy who is supporting the murderous militias in Sudan. So, how sincere is the Trump's administration concern for human life and how much of it is playing to his right wing Christian constituency?

Biden? Obsessed much? Do you understand that this is about the ballroom that Trump is going to have built?

Obsessed with Biden much?

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So, as I suspected, it turns out that the claims of Christian persecution were B.S. "Insurgent groups such as Boko Haram and Islamic State West Africa often present their campaigns as anti-Christian, but in practice their violence is indiscriminate and devastates entire communities," said Ladd Serwat, senior Africa analyst at U.S. crisis-monitoring group ACLED. "Islamist violence is part of the complex and often overlapping conflict dynamics in the country over political power, land disputes, ethnicity, cult affiliation, and banditry," he said. ACLED research shows that out of 1,923 attacks on civilians in Nigeria so far this year, the number of those targeting Christians because of their religion stood at 50. Serwat said recent claims circulating among some U.S. right-wing circles that as many as 100,000 Christians had been killed in Nigeria since 2009 are not supported by available data. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigeria-welcomes-us-assistance-fight-terrorism-presidency-spokesperson-says-2025-11-02/?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqDQgAKgYICjC3oAwwsCYwp4TaBA&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=la&gaa_n=AWEtsqcH_jEFh69eicK_d9_lxIYIC8dRw-IyItMj8e5SFbIY12Ig4GOb25ZOj9Dn46R9n_M-VX5QXv5e2l_D&gaa_ts=6907c1e0&gaa_sig=aeBkWUen2CqYbfPXgu43WDsaVBmdOnPgd-561IjytKpaW360eaaQULhROCzYNnhEexcqYTId95_XaI6iqIT5rA%3D%3D The article also notes that much of the violence is based on economic issues.. It's between herders, who are mostly Muslim and farmers, mostly Christian, who are competing for access to water and pasture.

This coming from the party who created this thread: Defective command of English much?

Given your command of English, it's not surprising that you don't understand the difference between a rebuttal and a taunt.