Colin Yai

Simple question JT do you really believe the hundreds if not thousands of gay parades world wide over the years,Does not put a block to your cause?, personally I think it does and this is all I am saying which I said right from the very start (or am I not allowed to say it) ,any chance of an Answer? (with out calling me "dude" that is)

It is satire, but I think that the point is that those parades turn a lot of people off and I agree. The descriptions and photos of what goes on are pretty accurate.

http://chicksontheri...-pride-parades/ Quite right UG pretty accurate and in the name of free speech this link donates what I object to ,If two guys love each other and want to marry ,hey thats OK by me ,but <deleted> why does it need this sort of thing shown in the link to promote their cause ,which IMHO is self defeating, as it draws to many people the very worst kind of prejudice ,of course if any one thinks its part and parcel of being gay then I beg to differ as many gays are very sincere in their thought's for each other, but this "circus" ,nah sorry!

If you don't fancy a circus show, bloody stay home! One day in a year in some cities. That's oppressive to you? Try being a second class citizen your entire life. Try that on for size.

It is satire, but I think that the point is that those parades turn a lot of people off and I agree. The descriptions and photos of what goes on are pretty accurate.

It is satire, but I think that the point is that those parades turn a lot of people off and I agree. The descriptions and photos of what goes on are pretty accurate.

It is satire, but I think that the point is that those parades turn a lot of people off and I agree. The descriptions and photos of what goes on are pretty accurate.

Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years

WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA–The mainstream acceptance of gays and lesbians, a hard-won civil-rights victory gained through decades of struggle against prejudice and discrimination, was set back at least 50 years Saturday in the wake of the annual Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade.

"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong."

http://tinyurl.com/2fcudz6

I know it seems silly to have to point this out, but this is Thaivisa.

That article is SATIRE.

Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years

WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA–The mainstream acceptance of gays and lesbians, a hard-won civil-rights victory gained through decades of struggle against prejudice and discrimination, was set back at least 50 years Saturday in the wake of the annual Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade.

"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong."

http://tinyurl.com/2fcudz6

I know it seems silly to have to point this out, but this is Thaivisa.

That article is SATIRE.

I have no problem with Paki's

Whoops! Looks like the true Colin slipped out there....Did you mean to say "non-indigenous" or similar such "acceptable" codewords?

They call each other Paki's just as Niggers call each other Niggers .

Thank you Colin for your enlightening comment....

I have no problem with Paki's

Whoops! Looks like the true Colin slipped out there....Did you mean to say "non-indigenous" or similar such "acceptable" codewords?

I have no problem with Paki's

Whoops! Looks like the true Colin slipped out there....Did you mean to say "non-indigenous" or similar such "acceptable" codewords?

Those seedy parades are a turnoff for most solid citizens for sure, but the "Dykes on Bikes" at the beginning of the San Francisco one are kind of fun.

UG As stated previously I have no problem with Gays whatsoever ,but I do think that they do their "Crusade" a slight injustice by these Parades and "gay pride" etc, I cannot think of any similar sort of parades world wide to signify or glorify straight sex , <deleted> if thats what they want get on with it but don't try and ram into my face by all this exhibitionism ,also reading Dans excellent link in his post #291 leads me rightly or wrongly to one conclusion and that is Obama's decision was made purely on political expediency .

Oh dear, as soon as someone says "i have no problem with gays whatsoever, BUT", or "I have no problem with blacks BUT", or "I have no problems with Muslims BUT", we all know what is going to follow. At least have the courage of your convictions, cut out the BS. Of course you have a problem with gay people, your posts on this topic make this obvious. You are doing yourself no favours by pretending otherwise.

How do you"

A very convoluted post.

The point is simple, for some of you being gay is OK (although it really isn't), as long as people don't look gay, or act gay. As long as they deny who they are and how they are, you can accept them.

All this talk about parades and "flamboyant exhibitionism" and "in your face flaunting" is all very bizarre. Not sure where these people who worry about such things have lived. If someone was not into drinking and whoring it would be very easy for them to avoid areas of town where they are likely to encounter such behaviour. Perhaps some of the earlier posters watch sufficient footage of gay pride parades to really work themselves into a frenzy as heaven forbid they might have actually attended one! If people of whatever sexuality, colour, creed or ethnicity wish to make fools of themselves and have a laugh, good luck to them, whether it's a stag party, hen night, or gay parade where's the harm?

But this is all classic smokescreen stuff to disguise fundamental opposition to gay people having the same rights as everyone else. To me whether you are white or black, male or female, Jewish or muslim, gay or straight you should have the same rights and responsibilities enjoyed by all. Stereotyping gays as flamboyant paraders is disingenuous and neanderthal. In most western countries discrimination based on gender or race is now both illegal and unfashionable, discrimination against gay people will hopefully go the same way and same sex marriage is the right place to show this equality of rights and responsibilities.

Spot on, dude. Absolutely.

Yeah, well, back here on planet Earth, if you are trying to win support from the masses, you need to appeal to the masses, not alienate them or frighten them with what to them is weird behavior. Politicians across the spectrum know how to appeal to the masses to get votes. They don't get in their face and freak them out. Label it anyway you want or whine about it, but you won't win anybody over and the rights you so desperately want (and deserve) will be pushed further down the road.

If you want real leadership, get our lady from Burma to come and run the job. She doesn't need to pay billions out to vote for her, she wouldn't shirk her responsibilities to parliament, she would attend. This lady is loved -genuine love for all to see unlike the Family in command here, who pay for love.

The enthusiasm shown to her is heartwarming her charm is seen as being genuine. It is also noted the lady isn't spending time in Burberry shops and the like lavishly spending about the same as a Philipino from not long ago. The Thai people could do with a breath of fresh air, she is a dream for them here.

I am quite satisfied with your original answer that its a "right wing hit piece" which I deduce means everything contained in the link ,which was what I requested not certain passages in it. .

I don't consider your posts seriously if you can't be bothered to form your OWN specific questions.

What you may not realize that If Obama remains in power and gets this bill passed it ain't going to make a blind bit of difference to people's prejudices in fact it could make it even worse !

What are you on about? There is NO bill to pass! Do you have even the slightest understanding of the decades long fight for gay civil rights in America? Again, Obama supported no bill. There is no bill proposed. There is no bill that could possibly pass (the senate needs 60 votes out of 100). In fact, if this fantasy, nonexistent "bill" did pass, all it could do was afford federal recognition of the FEW U.S. states that have state gay marriage! The vast majority do not and so many have state constitutional amendments banning them or recognizing them from other states. You don't get it. This NEEDS to be a constitutional level resolution just like the interracial marriage issue was resolved for the entire nation. At the supreme court level. NO BILL! Come on, folks, if you're going to debate this issue, please do some basic research first.

You do not have to be a mind reader ,just read the link and give me your opinion on it, and with respect my name is not "dude"

I read it. It's a right wing hit piece. What specifically about it do you have a question about?

Thats all I want to know ,your opinion of it thats it a right wing hit piece ,and of course Obama's earlier words were taken completely out of context

Please be more specific with your points. Otherwise, this is a total waste of time. If you imagined I support everything Obama has done and said on this issue, you imagined incorrectly. He's a politician. Yes I have always believed he completely supports same sex marriage equality, DOES believe it is civil rights issues, and DOES know this needs to be fixed at the federal, supreme court level. No, he doesn't say that. He doesn't feel that he can. I sympathize and understand that. His opponents will not.

This is about U.S. politics! The UK is way ahead of the U.S. on gay equality issues. Congrats to them, but back to the topic. Yes obviously the vast majority of American right wingers are against same sex marriage equality and even same sex civil unions with the same rights as marriage.

I did not read all of the comments but just want to mention one thing,what Obama said may be a big boost for the gay people out there and help a lot of people to finally take the step to act the way they really feel!No need to hide anymore?

"No need to hide anymore" ?,are you really serious ?

What you don't realize is that in many parts of the US, gay people still need to be deep in the closet just to avoid physical violence and/or being totally stigmatized socially.

You do not have to be a mind reader ,just read the link and give me your opinion on it, and with respect my name is not "dude"

I read it. It's a right wing hit piece. What specifically about it do you have a question about?

The reason the impulse for the pro same sex civil rights movement is to wait is because the political makeup of the court is well known and understood. Too many right wingers.

I think it is obvious that "right wingers" aren't the problem here. Prejudice is and prejudice is not determined by one's political leanings.

I'm right wing and I don't care if two guys want to get married. Being right wing might be why I don't think government should be wasting time on the issue, that doesn't make me against it. I'm sure there are other right wingers on this forum who feel the same way.

There are plenty of Obama supporters who are very against gay marriage. They specifically contributed to defeat the California referendum in 2008. When Obama lost 25% support in a recent New York poll because of his stance on same sex marriage, that loss wasn't among right wingers who weren't going to vote for him anyway. Can they be considered right wing?

I did not read all of the comments but just want to mention one thing,what Obama said may be a big boost for the gay people out there and help a lot of people to finally take the step to act the way they really feel!No need to hide anymore?

I am talking about supreme court makeup. Obviously, if Obama gets picks with a second term they are going to be picks much more likely to vote in favor same sex marriage when they get to rule on such a case, and such as case IS coming, sooner or later. If right winger Romney gets the picks, obviously the contrary.

Hey JT, Whats your take on Dan's link in his post #291 , although I could be wrong it would appear that there are some discrepancies .

Be more specific. I'm not a mind reader, dude. Ask me a specific question. Otherwise, please don't ask.

I am talking about supreme court makeup. Obviously, if Obama gets picks with a second term they are going to be picks much more likely to vote in favor same sex marriage when they get to rule on such a case, and such as case IS coming, sooner or later. If right winger Romney gets the picks, obviously the contrary.

For there to be reconciliation there has to be compromise on both sides ,this IMHO is totally alien to a Thai, as to admit that you could be wrong means losing face , so its a none starter and doomed to failure .

Just a further piece to this topic , I have never ever wrote I disagree with gay marriages ,in fact it could well be an inspiration to all the one parent families ,as stated I have no problem whatsoever with gays apart from I think that their parades are OTT ,and that the I think that Obama brought this matter up as a matter of political expediencie ,born out by the link which Dan produced in his post #291 , what its all about is free speech pure and simple ,with out being accused of what ever simply because my opinion just happens to clash with others .

And billions enjoy the right to marry.

It's interesting that you find the parades so offensive and you provide a link that describes one as 'disgusting'. I lived in San Francisco for a time. I've never been to a gay parade, I never had one rammed down my throat. I have seen parts of them on television, but like most parades--including Macy's Thanksgiving Parade--they get a little boring after a while.

So it's OK to be gay as long as you don't act gay?