jdinasia

My husband and many of my friends are fluent in English.

None studied overseas.

About 15% of my seniors (=12th grade ) are strong enough to study in regular classes in the US.

Another 40% or so could be in classes in the US in less than a year IF exposed to English more. The rest frankly have little interest. They can function with basic stuff but not complex thinking in a foreign language )

The idea that he anyone needs to prove something to the public is simply silly.

Named (indirectly ) a suspect, he cleared his name a couple of days later.

jdinasia post 292. PBS did a full hour show on the video. With actual experts. The video covered the time of the murders until he departed for the test.

The university confirmed his presence in class for the test.

Why keep trotting out lies and conspiracy theories that have been debunked.

Well, to start with, he's not in the dock, so whether this holds water or not, it's not possible for lawyers to substantiate it. As I didn't see any video broadcast, I cannot comment on the content, as I cannot comment on whether the university confirmed his presence or not. I would suggest no-one on here could do so either.

I also haven't heard dozens of his classmates rushing to confirm his presence at the test, either, or anyone (apart from one false alibi that was exposed) in BKK who could support his assertions. As I stated above, his behaviour was suspicious, and he had easier ways to prove where he was.

However, if he was in the dock, I'd be open-minded enough to see if the defence could validate his whereabouts. I've no problem with that, in principle. But I do find a few posters, yourself included, who are not open-minded enough to give the same consideration to the B2.

You don't get to put people in the dock based on Internet conspiracy theories.

I'll certainly give the 2 Burmese defendants the opportunity to be heard.

BTW - the link to the full PBS video has been in these threads. You commented.

The reports from the University have been in the threads as well

I've only commented on the reenactment video. Or do you mean the CCTV stills? And I don't think I would have added anything material because I'm no technical expert (or amateur). I've never seen an hour long video on PBS, and never read any of their articles, either - sorry, you've mixed me up with another poster.

Not CCTV stills. PBS did the whole video from the time of the murders until he departed for the test.

jdinasia post 292. PBS did a full hour show on the video. With actual experts. The video covered the time of the murders until he departed for the test.

The university confirmed his presence in class for the test.

Why keep trotting out lies and conspiracy theories that have been debunked.

Well, to start with, he's not in the dock, so whether this holds water or not, it's not possible for lawyers to substantiate it. As I didn't see any video broadcast, I cannot comment on the content, as I cannot comment on whether the university confirmed his presence or not. I would suggest no-one on here could do so either.

I also haven't heard dozens of his classmates rushing to confirm his presence at the test, either, or anyone (apart from one false alibi that was exposed) in BKK who could support his assertions. As I stated above, his behaviour was suspicious, and he had easier ways to prove where he was.

However, if he was in the dock, I'd be open-minded enough to see if the defence could validate his whereabouts. I've no problem with that, in principle. But I do find a few posters, yourself included, who are not open-minded enough to give the same consideration to the B2.

You don't get to put people in the dock based on Internet conspiracy theories.

I'll certainly give the 2 Burmese defendants the opportunity to be heard.

BTW - the link to the full PBS video has been in these threads. You commented.

The reports from the University have been in the threads as well

I would find this strange if you didn't oft repeat things already proven to be untrue. Such as Panya being replaced before earlier suspects were ruled out.

Panya was appearing to be the head man, in the days prior to him being jerked off the case. Here's the most plausible scenario for that: From the get-go, there was pressure to nail Burmese migrants for the crime. Unfortunately for officials (and migrants), Panya was doing his job rather well, and was following evidence which pointed to Mon and Nomsod. Still the pressure was exerted, by Bkk and the Headman and his buddies. When they caught up with Nomsod, who had been hiding, they gave him his 'get out of jail free' card. Nomsod and his lawyer could have said anything at that point, and the RTP would have gladly and quickly eliminated him as a suspect. By that time, pressure from Bkk (to indict someone) was increasing day by day.

As an aside: Thai tourism officials thought it was lack of indicting someone which would keep tourists from coming and spending their dollars. They were wrong. The dastardly murder/rape had already been done, there was no changing that. Tourists aren't so concerned about a speedy indictment. They're more likely to stay away if the island is shown to be a mafia-riven dangerous place to party - which it is. Instead of being in such a frantic hurry to indict someone, RTP should have taken a plodding professional attitude of following where the evidence leads. That's what Panya was doing, somewhat. Days before he was physically removed from heading the investigation, the cards had already been dealt by his superiors in Bangkok. The cop who outranked Panya put himself in charge. He had probably been manipulating the investigation for days leading up to the dismissal. Since then, no investigating has been done - that we know of - certainly no further investigation of Mon of Nomsod.

Great Story! But none of it true!

Nomsod was not hiding! His Father just didn't know where his adult son was exactly when he was asked by Police, as he was off island. Nomsod was a suspect early into the investigations, like many others, but he was cleared right after the Police discovered he was not even on the island when the murders took place September 15, 2014. But to dispel accusation from people like you, Nomsod gave his DNA to the police in October.

LINK

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/koh-tao-leaders-son-gives-dna-sample-to-quell-skeptics/

Nomsod's DNA sample-taking was a full fledged media event. His daddy, his lawyer, the protective police and their grinning top cop were all there. Any fool knew the outcome before it was announced. Interestingly, Nomsod never says anything publicly. When he appeared, after hiding, with his lawyer and later at the media event. Has he ever once stepped forward and said something like, "I didn't do it, and I sincerely hope the real perpetrators of this heinous crime are rounded up and brought to trial. If found guilty, they should get the full force of punishment." ? No, he lurks, almost smirking, in the shadow of his high-paid lawyer, his daddy, and police brass. He's got the backbone of a jellyfish, except perhaps in the early morning of Sept 15...... (the continuation of this sentence has been self-censored, because it would send up red flags among posters who shamelessly shield the H's people, and would probably get me suspended).

As for "Nomsod was not hiding! His Father just didn't know where his adult son was....." Gimme a break. The kid's not 6 years old. Everyone in Thailand knew he was being searched for by police FOR DAYS.

I fully agree that Nomsod's suspicious behaviour invited speculation about his whereabouts, and his motives for keeping shtum. What he could also have said is here are my phone records showing who I called and where I was, and here is a list of people I was with who can confirm my alibi. But, no, the media was treated to pictures taken from a CCTV allegedly showing his presence in BKK on the night of the murder. Pictures that could have been genuine or falsified.

The RTP accepted his lawyer's statement and he was off the hook. And that's why the B2 continue to be regarded as the perpetrators. I hope they have a similar alibi.

P.S. there were reports that his Uni classmates and attendance records could confirm his whereabouts, but neither have been produced by him or his lawyer. One of his relatives provided an alibi that she was with him, but she was in Pattaya at the time. But, as he's not on trial, it's a moot point right now.

PBS did a full hour show on the video. With actual experts. The video covered the time of the murders until he departed for the test.

The university confirmed his presence in class for the test.

Why keep trotting out lies and conspiracy theories that have been debunked.

Boomerangutang - every source I find stated both families made statements. Note --- family statements.

That would make both of your claims about it being 1 person and only 1 family incorrect.

I would find this strange if you didn't oft repeat things already proven to be untrue. Such as Panya being replaced before earlier suspects were ruled out.

As far as crystal balls go. The trial will start this week. I'll let you continue gazing into it while I await the trial.

BTW - didn't you say before the UK police arrived that they knew all about the RTP?

Which was prejudicial.

Nope - it might be in a jury trial in the UK.

Thailand doesn't have a jury system. Sub-judice doesn't apply.

No Boomerangutang and Sambun -

The FCO released statements from both families.

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/12/08/koh-tao-murders-accused-enter-pleas-today-victims-families-say-evidence-against-them

The families of the victims have already made a public statement.

Startling revelation.

One that hadn't been made in the first page or so of replies.

After all, nothing new is being said, just the same lines from the conspiracy theorists, and those who disagree.

Moreso it is on topic considering the original post of this thread.

The families of the victims have already made a public statement.

I've already given the definition of "natural Parenting", that is a mother & father. Don't know what other citations/ references you require, the majority of world's population are borne through male/ female intercourse & children raised in male/ female relationship. That's been the natural process of the human race, surrogacy is a recent aspect, as is

same sex parenting, it's not natural, is it of benefit to a child to be raised I such a relationship? Don't believe any research has been undertaken, maybe, you're aware of such research??

The thrust of what I'm saying is, the issues/ arguments focus on the couple/ adoptive parents, rather think should be on child/ children....what's best for child!!

Why wouldn't it be best for the child to be raised in a loving home even if the parents were same sex?

Male and female parents provide different roles.

The relationship between a father and daughter is quite different from a mother and daughter. Same with sons - a father/son relationship is very different than a mother/son relationship. There are certain things that both sexes go through during puberty that a parent of that same sex helps with.

Then there is the obvious issue of the fact that kids are just damn cruel. So kids with same sex parents can expect to be teased and bullied about it at school.

There's some interesting experiences outlined in Federal Court here: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/adults-raised-gay-couples-speak-out-against-gay-marriage-federal-court - the upshot being that it wasn't so much the gay parents themselves but being brought up in gay communities and socializing with mostly gay friends. In the end the kids having little exposure to heterosexual couples and their kids.

The bottom line is you should not be able to buy a child. Any couple that cannot have children should be screened for suitability before being able to adopt or go through surrogacy. I think that allowing any couples, gay or otherwise to buy a child is abhorrent.

Utter crap.

^^^ JD....ya can't say that anymore! First time I've even seen a pic of one....

Never mind the qualiy...the pic works IMO.

I have never seen a chopped Fino.

Sorry about the picture quality.

Faring cut and slim tires

No reason to pick on gay, single or elderly parents,

Until they introduce an exam and licence to become a parent, anyone can play.

I see lots of young guys (and girls), that clearly shouldn't be parents, posting on this forum every day.

Bigots make bad parents.

Explain me how you can make an exam to be a responsible loving person?

Look at how many people by lovely puppys. When they grow up and get smelly big dogs they loose interest.

If you mail order a baby, which you aren't a biologic parent and you didn't had him/her in your womb than you would easily get annoyed when he/she get a problematic kid....

Kids, as much as we love them are also terrible burdens and terrible annoying sometimes.

You are projecting.

I am thinking of the child's best interests and I do not see any child having a normal life being brought up by a gay couple, whether it be gay men or lesbian women.

Yet almost all peer reviewed studies show that you are wrong.

I totally disagree with same sex couples bringing up children. The child is reared in an unusual environment whatever the gays might like to make out.

I think it's unfair on the kids. They have no real say, and are probably coerced into acceptance.

And then, we all know how cruel other kids can be.

I know a few adults who were raised by gay couples. They are fine.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/worlds_largest_study_on_gay_parents_finds_the_kids_are_more_than_all_right/

I have no objection to life style choices. Gay, straight or whatever. I do have concern however when you deviate out of your lifestyle choice. If the gay way of life produces off spring then hey congrats. However a gay coupleseeking surrogacy is a tad bit hypocrital to me. You choose a gay lifestyle but yearn the outcome of a straight lifestyle. If you do have money and feel the need for a child, then adopt. There are so many orphans in this world.

So, if straight couples are infertile.....

Perhaps you missed it when people explained human sexuality not changing the desire some people have to be parents?

Quick, let's return to the days when men married, then had kids, then left.. That closeted life surely was better!

There's no question that both sides have committed war crimes

Only 9?

Black on black murders is probably much greater than this in the same state on the same day.

Heaven forbid a white man take part in the murder toll of blacks.

It was a mass shooting.

Like most mass shootings in the US, the killer was white.

He's in custody.

Now --- 84% of white people murdered in the US are murdered by.... Wait for it.... White people.

If they have evidence of the B2 actually committing the crimes, or leaving the crime scene after the crimes, it will be a slam dunk. But, as the case was referred back to the RTP three times, I would reason that the CCTV would be circumstantial, at best, especially as the quality is questionable - even the identity of the running man can't be established and proven.

That's what the newspaper said December 27, 2014 after the case was accepted by the prosecution..

Well it took them three attempts to find some CCTV that could incriminate the B2. That's 3 months after the victims died. My opinion stays.

Didn't you say before that the 2 Burmese defendants were involved in your opinion?

Hate???

Another word worthy of consideration... racism.

Sorry, BB, this is NOT racism.

The local Authorities in unison agree on "Hate crime".

There are many racists on either side of the color divide, but such heinous crimes are rare.

Nobody, but nobody, goes and starts shooting people in church because of racism.

Intense, burning Hate is the motive. The big question is "Why"? I suggest we wait and see.

Oh? I am amazed that you can tell it wasn't a hate crime (racially motivated) from..... Well, from the only 2 things we know. He was white and walked into a black church and killed 9 and wounded another.

So Mr.Terry does not believe that the Thai defense legal team would be capable, upon cross-examination, of making a total laughing stock of the prosecution's witnesses should their testimony be perjured or the evidence fabricated.

Whatever requests to the Court made by the defense as to access to evidence DNA or otherwise, they knew in advance the discovery procedures in Thailand.

Apart from not responding to my genuine question, re the legal para, yes, it is my opinion that the defence will hit a brick wall at THIS court. Assuming that the defence will be permitted to review the DNA evidence once the trial commences, it would be a challenge to plough through (what is believed to be) c300 pages of DNA reports, independently test the samples, and reach any conclusion before the end of this trial. Their only hope is to try and discredit the chain of custody from the initial collection to the final results. And that could be tough.

However, I could be wrong, and snow could fall in Samui.

Didn't you say that you think that the 2 Burmese defendants were involved in some way? Pretty hard to defend against that.

While the DNA will be significant the rest of the evidence is damning enough to likely convict.

Interesting point of view Soutpeel,

Perhaps you would like to explain to those of us how we are to pay the premium on insurance policy.

I'll use myself as an example Insurance premium in the US was offered to me at 10,000.00 dollars per month.

You see i have the dreded "pre existing condition!"

I was self employed and made about 30K a year. Hmm my math says I going to be 90K short.

I don't expect the Thais to take care of me I do expect an elevator to take me to a high floor and acess to the roof!

One of my main reasons for abandoning my home country is they put a gun to my head and said you will do this, you will buy health insurance which i want but not at 10K a month. I don't respond well to threats. Not to mention the fact that if a government can force its citizens to buy health care what is next Snow Blowers!

So I left.

Why would they quote you 10k USD a month for preexisting conditions ?

Preexisting conditions are typically excluded from medical insurance ie they will not pay for it

So I am actually struggling with the credibility of your post from the offset and the fact someone has quoted you 10k/m USD for medical insurance

In the US you may no longer be denied coverage for preexisting conditions.

The 10k/mo is bogus though.

The penalty for being uninsured is$95

Note - airlines in Thailand keep records per IATA and local rules.

Note - airports have cameras.

Note - airplanes have passengers

Doesn't matter if they used them.

They were pinging off a tower somewhere,

They either were pinging in BKK, or they weren't

So you're trying to track one guy, I guess. Why would he necessarily have to have pinged anywhere. Maybe he pinged last in Chumpon where he got off the speedboat and hopped into a taxi.

Because,

I think he was there

I think he started the gang bang

And I think he watched the killings

That's my opinion,

His multiple alibis bother me

He may not be the killer but I FEEL in my heart of hearts,

He was the first rapist

And that Sean McKenna drugged her

That's what I always thought z and I will always think that, regardless the verdict

Strangely - not a fact to base the above opinions upon. (not really strange at all)

You did, however, manage to defame 2 people in the same post. Congrats