jdinasia

Kbank has the announcement on the website in Thai

Baa1 explained here. http://www.nasdaq.com/investing/glossary/b/baa1

I, personally, wouldn't keep more than the government insured savings in a banks listed at less than the step above baa1

Then again, I wouldn't in any single account anywhere.

I was notified via sms (in Thai)

You stated quite clearly:

"Oh, but that wasn't the link I provided were you were trying to contact the friends and family of the victims."

And then followed on with a post unrelated to me. Now I suggest you back up your claims that I have been trying to contact the friends and family of the victims

If you cant do that which I know you can't then yes you are a liar................screengrabs...........links, I'm waiting

I did provide a link for that before, you promptly asked moderation to remove it, now you are asking for it again, so you can do the same all over again?

I'm not interested in playing your baiting games.

No AleG you did not, it does not exist. Why does it not exist? Because you are making false accusations that I tried to contact family or friends of the victims. What does that make you...............

You had my last post removed I wonder why, honesty is a virtue you are sadly lacking in. This is my last post on the subject I will no longer engage with some one who is unable to tell truth from made up fantasy and deliberately makes false accusations.

Sorry, but you conflated 2 statements he made.

You don't seriously believe that the 2 Burmese defendants are not guilty, do you?

Time JD bailed out of this thread and I/we hope a real investigation ensues . I would like every name who could possibly have been in the spotlight involved bank accounts looked at. Even posters here who just cannot see that the whole episode has been a sham...........

Telling members not to post?

Implying members are getting paid regarding the crime?

The initial suspects (day 1) were migrant laborers.

Then the Wares, Sean, footballers, Thai locals, and then back to migrant labor.

So the narrative that locals were identified from the beginning is false. They, in fact, were people of interest for a few days only.

That is plainly wrong. I was there. The narrative was that the locals were deeply involved from the minute the sun-rose on that glorious morning, the Burmese repertoire came along later. That was the narrative. The rest is history.

And JD - you left out the fisherman! The RTP claimed it was possibly a fisherman that committed the crimes. I guess they thought this might go down quite well in light of past crimes.

Daily Mail 20th Sept -

The last pictures - on night backpackers beaten to death: New CCTV revealed as Thai police investigate copycat killing theory

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763277/Was-British-backpacker-trying-help-woman-distress-New-evidence-suggests-David-Miller-coming-aid-Hannah-Witheridge-killed.html

Cannot access Daily Mail from my phone in Thailand

Your statement wasn't presented as opinion.

You said something was true "from day one". That statement of yours was false.

All of my statements on here are my opinion or as you put it "conspiracy theory".

An opinion is an opinion.

A statement of fact without qualifications is a statement of fact. A statement qualified by a link and a claim of personal expertise is also claimed as fact.

Since the RTP didn't identify Thais "from day one" as you claim, it is patently wrong. Since lacerations can appear as cuts or tears as opposed to a crushing blow.... As the source of the link you previously posted clearly stated, you were alcohol patently wrong.

A conspiracy theory, as previously noted, is a theory that dark, unidentified (specifically) people are manipulating things from behind the scenes to affect a desired outcome. That is not the definition of an opinion.

I will quote your previous post that you presented as fact.

What is alcohol patently?

You hang onto the smallest things to keep bringing up. You think that this enhances your credibility here. Again, your miniscule opinion doesn't interest me.

Pardon, "alcohol" was an auto fill error. It should have been "also"

The initial suspects (day 1) were migrant laborers.

Then the Wares, Sean, footballers, Thai locals, and then back to migrant labor.

So the narrative that locals were identified from the beginning is false. They, in fact, were people of interest for a few days only.

That is plainly wrong. I was there. The narrative was that the locals were deeply involved from the minute the sun-rose on that glorious morning, the Burmese repertoire came along later. That was the narrative. The rest is history.

I don't remember you claiming that before.

Actually 2 foreign news sources report that the first person of interest was a foreigner.

Here's one with a timeline.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/brits-murdered-thailand-live-updates-4261347

What we all have are in one poster whose avatar says "Try being informed instead of opinionated" are media reports of the RTP blabbing their efforts in the investigation. They themselves named suspects right from day one. They obviously had a reason to name said suspects, and efforts to assist in the location of these suspects.

Now, we know how money talks in this country, and my opinion, is that a lot of money talked. Once that money showed up, the suspicion was quickly diverted to some migrant workers, of a very low caste within their own country and with minimal education and finances. Who would be more perfect to fit up for a horrible crime like this.

The head of the Police stated "No Thai could do this" the writing was on the wall.

So, unless someone has access to the entire investigation and it is out for all to peruse, then all the comments here are opinions. In Police work, opinions are used as are theories - (I guess if one or more investigators agree on a theory it MUST be a conspiracy theory) to solve crimes. When these opinions are supported by tangible evidence, they then become facts.

In any event, nobody will ever agree on this investigation. With the history of bungled investigations and many examples of the rich paying their way out of crimes, this appears to me to be another one chalked up on the "pay off" column.

This post was not presented as opinion. There are several statements of fact."They themselves named suspect from day one "

Since they presented migrant laborers as the first suspects (day 1).....

Your statement wasn't presented as opinion.

You said something was true "from day one". That statement of yours was false.

All of my statements on here are my opinion or as you put it "conspiracy theory".

An opinion is an opinion.

A statement of fact without qualifications is a statement of fact. A statement qualified by a link and a claim of personal expertise is also claimed as fact.

Since the RTP didn't identify Thais "from day one" as you claim, it is patently wrong. Since lacerations can appear as cuts or tears as opposed to a crushing blow.... As the source of the link you previously posted clearly stated, you were alcohol patently wrong.

A conspiracy theory, as previously noted, is a theory that dark, unidentified (specifically) people are manipulating things from behind the scenes to affect a desired outcome. That is not the definition of an opinion.

I will quote your previous post that you presented as fact.

The fellas that are "in the know" with the RTP and the other fella who is a staunch defender of Nomsod, can you tell us inquiring minds if the DNA that was seized from the two Burmese was obtained with a warrant?

Or will it become the "fruit of the poisoned tree" at trial.

Interesting to see that this question was not answered by the guys who have the "facts". According to the Criminal Procedures Code, a warrant is needed for the search for evidence. The mass collection of DNA on the island is highly personal and intrusive. If this is where the DNA they obtained a "match" to the DNA at the scene, then my opinion is that it should be excluded from admissible evidence.

Again an opinion. Verifiably untrue.

Similar to your position regarding blunt force trauma and lacerations.

The initial suspects (day 1) were migrant laborers.

Then the Wares, Sean, footballers, Thai locals, and then back to migrant labor.

So the narrative that locals were identified from the beginning is false. They, in fact, were people of interest for a few days only.

Please back up this FACT with verifiable FACTS, not just media reports.

Pardon me?

What facts did you have to make your initial statement?

You mentioned media reports. The fact is that they (the RTP) announced whose they were looking at. They did so in roughly the order I presented. (not sure specifically on the order of the footballers and Ware)

Again look at your post for "facts" and not only are there no facts; but also your claims don't match the reports in the press that you mentioned.

"They themselves named...." was completely incorrect.

Yes pardon you. As I said a few posts ago, there is nothing but opinions here. Yet you claim FACTS. When the rest of us post opinions that don't jive with your opinion, it becomes a conspiracy theory.

Furthermore, I believe the facts in the media as much as I believe your opinions.

Your statement wasn't presented as opinion.

You said something was true "from day one". That statement of yours was false.

The initial suspects (day 1) were migrant laborers.

Then the Wares, Sean, footballers, Thai locals, and then back to migrant labor.

So the narrative that locals were identified from the beginning is false. They, in fact, were people of interest for a few days only.

Please back up this FACT with verifiable FACTS, not just media reports.

What facts did you have to make your initial statement?

You mentioned media reports. The fact is that they (the RTP) announced whose they were looking at. They did so in roughly the order I presented. (not sure specifically on the order of the footballers and Ware)

Again look at your post for "facts" and not only are there no facts; but also your claims don't match the reports in the press that you mentioned.

"They themselves named...." was completely incorrect.

The initial suspects (day 1) were migrant laborers.

Then the Wares, Sean, footballers, Thai locals, and then back to migrant labor.

So the narrative that locals were identified from the beginning is false. They, in fact, were people of interest for a few days only.

I've never posted on CSILA, so yes another fragrant lie, I never made that post or anything like it. If you dont want to link to it do a screengrab your good at them and keep digging your own hole

You are conflating 2 points made, but as noted before it is all off topic

If the defense in this case wants to prove, for some reason. that the 'kid' above was at or near the scene of the crime prior to the crime, that is up to the defense; that the 'kid' should have to prove that he wasn't there, is only now to satisfy persons as in the above post.

You're right. Mentioning NS and trying to ascertain his whereabouts will probably not be allowed by the Samui court. The prosecution (in line with the wishes of the Headman and RTP),has crafted the trial parameters as much as possible - to preclude mention of NS. Very crafty. It doesn't have much to do with justice, but hey, this is Thailand, where justice takes a back seat to what's important; influential families, money, social status.

Most likely in any Court of law especially in the US such information would be excluded unless there was 100% certainty as to the person's whereabouts and identity and even then there would have to shown some relevance to the charges against those who are on trial.

Unless proof of prior conflict could be presented, no court would accept it.

What the prosecution has to prove is that the 2 Burmese defendants did the crime. The burden is what a reasonable person would believe.

Crab.

Do you really think other tourists, who are on their vacation, would commit a crime such as this ?

Or two young Burmese men who're of the lowest social strata in Thailand ?

This was a crime of immense anger and hatred, something the very privileged (and their Gang) might have, along with a sense of entitlement and protection from the rule of law.

Motive is important.

Yes.

Yes.

Who ever heard of someone from the lowest social strata having "immense anger"?

We're compulsorily contributing to the local economy & should receive concessions reflecting it.

Nobody is compelling you.

Clearly killing those kids on the beach was a war crime.

And on what legal basis do you make your claim? You haven't got a pot to piss in.

The politically correct comment for me to make is, oh my what a tragedy. Unfortunately, the realist in me knows that these "children" who should have not been allowed anywhere near a military compound, were encouraged to hang around because they were valuable as shields. That's how Hamas works. The politically incorrect statement for me is to say I don't care anymore. Gaza is one big welfare state created by the locals own political selfishness and laziness. Generations have made a comfortable living not working and collecting generous financial benefits from the west and wealthy gulf states. T

he Egyptians loathe and detest these people with good reason. Unlike the Israelis, they don't cower in and hide in fear. When Hamas murdered 31 Egyptians last year, the Egyptians bulldozed hundreds of Gaza dwellings and kicked ass Along with digging up many of the tunnels they also sent some dead bodies back to the Hamas leadership. The Egyptians didn't have any inquiries or worry about the western press. Maybe Israel needs to ask the Egyptians to come take over their border security. At least then no one be crying crocodile tears when the Egyptians pacified the border.

When Turkey machine guns down refugees on its border, no one demands a war crime trial. When Iran kills Afghanis including women and children who are trying to cross its border, no one demands a war crime trial. Where are the war crimes trial demands against Hizbollah, Iraq, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, and Saudi Arabia as all are currently involved in brutal armed conflict in which children are either participating or are injured.

More deflection. But but but but.

I'll give you a hint, this thread is about Israel.

How do you know the children were encouraged to play there? Again more grasping at straws.

The facts are that Israel bombed those kids when they had no idea who it was.

Everything else you say is off topic and smoke and mirrors.

Actually --- https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter1_rule1

The first sentence. The principal of distinction

Quote from link :

"Given this prevailing state of affairs, it is necessary to take into account the already complex reality and asymmetry which law-abiding states are compelled to deal with and to beware in particular of imposing additional legal and operational burdens which serve only to exacerbate the asymmetry and make it more difficult to deal with terrorist organizations."

http://www.law.idf.il/592-6584-en/Patzar.aspx

In other words : 'Just let us do the things like we are used to do...'

I have a better idea. Hamas -- just stop preparing for the next aggressive war against Israel, invest in rebuilding for a PEACEFUL society instead of sacrificing your babies in terror tunnel building, and stop training your kiddies to be cute little Jihadists.

hamas-kid-1-300x160.jpg

Then the IDF won't have to worry about asymmetrical warfare at least in Gaza.

What does this have to do with the murdered children? Abhorrent attempt to deflect yet again.

Can't take your post seriously. There was no murder. There was an active war going on and tragically these children were playing in the middle of an active combat zone and yes, horribly, got killed. It was a very bad time to be playing on the beach in that area. Of course they are not to blame but as far as blame for their deaths, you can't put this only on Israel, to be fair you also have to put it on Hamas.

As far as your dim personal attack, I was responding to the text from the IDF report posted by Mr. Thorgal ... agreeing that IDF and other civilized nation's armies have sticky complex difficulties fighting terrorist forces like Hamas. We're not uninformed morons here ... we about the extremist ideology and tactics of Hamas.

I don't know what country you're from, but I reckon if you had Jihadist terrorists launching rockets into it and digging aggressive tunnels under your soil you'd be singing a different tune.

No matter what is happening there is no excuse to murder children. Israel obviously did not know who they were but bombed them anyway in the hope they were Hamas.

Murder and war crimes all bundled into one.

There are no US reservations on Thailan. The US is firmly committed to not restoring US/Thai relations until they have an elected government by the people for the people. That does not mean some appointed crony pm constitutes a freely elected democracy.

Really?

From where I sit, I see Cobra Gold happenings. I see the CULP program continuing. I see JUSMAG Thai, I see almost not change between the day before the coup until now.

How does one calculate timely needed to travel with know if the distance?

jdinasia

again just asserting a false dichotomy , in an attempt to justify your stance and disprove others

Your excuses for no pictures or people coming forward certainly doesn't explain why no foreigners have spoken out.

How can you and Crab be so sure no foreigners have spoken out? You and AleG, often chastize others for presuming to know what's going on behind the scenes, yet you're doing it in your statement. Brit investigators have purportedly been questioning some farang who may be privy to some of what went on that night. Unfortunately for the defense, it looks as tho that info will get to the prosecution only. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Publicly ---

Nothing - Nada - Zilch

jdinasia

you appear to be basing your argument on false dichotomy

Nope - every argument from the conspiracy theorists are about public statements.

When this witch hunt started, it started with "everybody knows" who "really" killed the victims.

Much was made of a vague statement by Sean. He publicly explained his meaning.

The police investigation shifted focus a few times, coming full circle to Burmese migrants. Some people got stuck at a point in the investigation based on "everyone knows".

Hannah and Davidson friends returned home. The other tourists on the island returned home. None have publicly confirmed the presence on the island of the guy Boomerangutang is fixated on.

No pictures of him on the island from that night.

Nada -zilch - Nothing

No stories of "the night they died" published...

Most importantly no explanation of why nobody has publicly come forward.

Your excuses for no pictures or people coming forward certainly doesn't explain why no foreigners have spoken out.

How can you and Crab be so sure no foreigners have spoken out? You and AleG, often chastize others for presuming to know what's going on behind the scenes, yet you're doing it in your statement. Brit investigators have purportedly been questioning some farang who may be privy to some of what went on that night. Unfortunately for the defense, it looks as tho that info will get to the prosecution only. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Publicly ---

Nothing - Nada - Zilch