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jonclark

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  1. 38 minutes ago, halloween said:

    Come off it! RR are innocent because they hired agents to do their dirty work? Who authorised the payments, Noddy or Big Ears?

    Wealthy company directors have their company pay a fine, poor people go to jail.

    I'm not disagreeing with you.

     

    Just stating that they have paid the fine. Now whether a 28 billion baht fine is a deterrent or justice is debatable. And given that the the offences occurred between 1991 - 2006, the directors who authorised some of these payments, especially the early once could well be dead.

     

    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/sfo-v-rolls-royce.pdf

  2. 3 hours ago, halloween said:

    They are both guilty under British law, but the brit's have decided these very important people shouldn't be prosecuted for their actions.

     

    Not so sure about that Rolls Royce paid a 28.3 billion baht fine. So they clearly have been prosecuted and fined for their actions.  The bribery case focuses on the use of agents to secure the contracts - the agents paid a kickback to the customer and I'd like to know who RR agents in Thailand are.....RR has admitted the use of agents was irresponsible and paid the fine accordingly. The agents though are laughing all the way to the bank. 

  3. 2 hours ago, OmegaRacer said:

    500k are hardly life savings, when you either need 800k for a "retirement visa" or 400k for a "marriage visa".

     

     

    I bet there are a huge number of Thai people for which 500K would represent more than they could ever dream of saving over the course of their life. And retiring with that sort of bank balance will sadly be an unattainable dream for the vast majority. 

  4. 16 minutes ago, z42 said:

    It's frustrating that the story posted seems to completely gloss over the allegation that either the girlfriend (or someone close to her) basically stole 480,000 baht of this guy's money.
    I think it is too hard to pre judge this guy too much. Yeah sure he looks a complete fool on the surface, but when you look a little closer it could be that his life savings, or at least a good chunk thereof has been stolen from him. Now there is almost no recourse for him, he is too old to work & earn it back, and actually retrieving the money through the courts I'd guess would be an equally costly, stressful, and arduous venture for a man of his age, and knowing how the justice system operates here, a complete gamble at best.

    I don't for a second condone arson or property destruction. But I can feel a degree of sympathy for a man who probably now feels he is at rock bottom. Some of the comments on the video TV had of this incident on their facebook page were disgusting. Kicking a man when he's down is as immoral as it gets imo. Remember, this could very well happen to any of us living here, and while the going is good it is very easy to lose sight of that fact, and be blinded by it.

     

    Wise words indeed. 

     

    In Thailand foreigners (westerners mainly) really love looking down on other westerners, be it behavior, attitude, problems they may encounter or situations they may find themselves in etc. Oddly though you do not find the same attitude within the Indian and Chinese communities for example, which when threatened join ranks to protect their own and have quite good support networks for each other. Which probably explains why these communities thrive in Thailand and the farang community is a fragmented,  transient, narcissistic and on whole quite unsuccessful in Thailand.

  5. The big question is will the military sign?? 

     

    To expect others to sign up to your big MoU , and then avoid signing it yourself is complete nonsense.

     

    The military should be leading by example, putting the country first; sacrificing, showing morals and ethics - Those are the catchphrases the military likes to use when speaking to the masses, aren't they?. So show the country there is substance to the words you speak Mr Prayut and have the military sign the MoU first. 

     

    I mean if they don't then they clearly can't have place in any future government...you said that yourself Mr. Prayut ??

  6. 2 hours ago, robblok said:

    I disagree.. but that is my opinion, i have seen what a-holes people can be and how they can go ballistic when they get a fine and totally get uncooperative. In that case they deserve what they get. 

     

    I respect your opinion. But have to disagree especially as the police are (and I think you too have agreed with this point in past posts) a bunch of corrupt individuals.  This arbitrary ability for corrupt police to increase the fine as they dislike your attitude is simply wrong on all levels.

     

    But each to his or her own. 

  7. 1 hour ago, robblok said:

    If the guy did all that then why complain, should have had a helmet and registration papers. The guy was clearly at fault and made a fuzz because of it the fine went up. That is a good thing, they should do that back in my country too. 

     

    I totally agree with the principle of being fined for a minor infraction. 

     

    But...is it part of the spirit of 'justice' that police can arbitrarily increase the fine, if the offender complains. That is simply an abuse of power. I am fairly sure that it is not written into the statue books that police can increase fines if people complain.

     

    So whilst I agree with the principle of fines as a form of punishment for minor infractions. It is not a good thing to support a system that gives police free reign to up the fine if the offender takes issue with it. 

  8. Reading about this story yesterday on tv its  clear that he could well be talking about posters here making negative remarks. Sadly this website is far from what it once was and is increasingly attracting some very bitter and angry people.

     

    For what its worth Gaz I salute your spirit and tenacity for doing what any man should do earning the money needed to support your family. Despite having to overcome huge obstacles. Your wife and children should be immensly proud of you and I wish you nothing but the best of luck.

     

    Don't let the bastards get you down. 

  9. So the man that overthrew an elected government from the barrel of a gun...is now expecting others to not rejected elected governments?? 

     

    I'm fairly sure a military coup (peaceful or otherwise) is the most forceful rejection any elected government can receive. Staggering hypocrisy and rather shortsighted, given that the great unanswered question though is will the military sign up to this, thereby preventing themselves for staging coups in the future. 

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