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The flu season is just around the corner as well.

Screening people who have raised temperatures, etc won't help if someone has a cold or influenza.

Well, I for one, am happy to live in Thailand, as it is the hub of vaccines and according to the news has created their very own vaccine for Ebola. So we don't have to worry, anybody believe this?

Not me, I don't believe a word of it.

50 Baht a minute, what a rip off.

Is the internet really that bad in Myanmar that VOIP won't work ?

My Passport is finished in 6 months, when should I be going to Bangkok?

Do I still have to apply in person and pick it up in person?

Can I use my yellow book as proof of residence?

Act now and you might be ok.

Again, they did not fall flat on their face.

Are you suggesting that with no known cases of Ebola present in the US that Emergency Services should have been responding to every call in full Level A Bio-Hazard gear "just in case" ? That every traffic stop by police should be considered at risk for an infected person? That every response made by Paramedics should be in full HazMat gear?

Hopefully you have more sense than that.

Straw man argument. Try again.

Not hardly. Simply asking for your opinion on how they could have done better. You see, when you complain about "falling flat on their face", then you really should be prepared to provide examples of how they should have done it.

Thats all I am asking.

How they should have handled it? Issue visa bans and cancellations for anyone traveling from West Africa. Do that, and this case never happens. Thailand should be doing that right now. As for the fiasco in Dallas, once the case was confirmed as ebola, why were people sent willy nilly into and around the apartment without any protection at all? Why was someone from the apartment allowed to go to school? How about taking elementary precautions to stop those two incidents right off the bat?

What about American citizens who are currently in Africa ? Who's to say they won't accidentally and 100% unknowingly bring it back with them ?

This issue is more complex than it first appears and from what I've been reading the incubation period for Ebola appears to be longer than it used to be.

Visa on Arrival, no more problems.

It's that easy.

Is this a yearly fee ?

He took someone who was ill to the hospital, so what ? They have other illnesses in Africa apart from Ebola you know.

He would probably have had no idea that the person who he took to the hospital had Ebola.

I am sorry but your above claim lacks any credibility at all.

Therefore I must be wrong and he knew all along that the person he took to the hospital had Ebola ?

If you believe for one minute that this guy will be the only source of entrance into the Americas then you're delusional.

He was just the first and from what I've read I have to wonder if he did anything wrong at all.

He took someone who was ill to the hospital, so what ? They have other illnesses in Africa apart from Ebola you know.

He would probably have had no idea that the person who he took to the hospital had Ebola.

Beer ?

Enough of what ?

From what I've read under the current protectionist system if someone gets an FDA license to import and distribute a supplement they can use the license to do this themselves - only the license holder.

But if someone else wants to import and sell the exact same supplement they will also need to get their own FDA license / permit.

I wonder if the rule change makes this 'stupid' practice redundant ?

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" US President Barack Obama, who said his death showed "we don't have a lot of margin for error. If we don't follow protocols and procedures that are put in place, then we're putting folks in our communities at risk". "

Preparing the public for new draconian security measures, just like Bush's Patriot Act put in place after 911. Get ready for more intrusions into your life, America.

How many plane suicides in the US occurred after 9/11 - only one, a small aircraft in Texas flown by a disgruntled Texan at a federal building to target the IRS.

So the new laws work.

You will never win with rational argument, it's designed that way.

The sheriffs deputy case is very concerning : http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms

Michael Monnig (the deputy) said he had 'no contact' but was in the apartment for about 30 minutes, if this turns out the be the case and he has contracted Ebola then it could be a game changer and cause a big rethink about how transmission if now working.

I read an article a few days ago saying he's not being treated with experimental drugs.

I'll dig it out this evening if I can find it.

I suspect this is all about the supplements industry which is very much tied up (protectionism) by expensive licensing requirements.

Opening it up should be a good thing.

It also explains why something which can be bought for very little in the west, something like a bottle of Vitamin D supplements costs 500+ Baht from a reputable pharmacy in Thailand.

You can buy proper licensed tablets (antibiotics, etc) for a fraction of the cost of these supplements.

It's all about the money and who gets it and it should come as no surprise that they support the status quo because it's them who get the money.

Are the original semen samples found on/in the woman's body in a save place and are there other authorities (foreign) then the RTP, having copies of the analysis?

This is the golden question isn't it ? The victims (Hannah at least) appear to have been sent back to the UK 6 days after the crime and before all these newer more recent allegations surfaced (ref : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/21/thailand-murders-hannah-witheridge-body-returned-home-uk ).

I suspect there might be good reasons for the Embassy officials to ask people directly involved not to make statements after a crime like this.

I would love to see some funds go to his poor distraught parents. Hopefully someone can facilitate at the very least a phone conversation. This article made this whole case even more sad ~ I just can't imagine what it must feel like to be this mother and father. I've already contacted Andy Hall with this ~ and would be more than willing to help .

http://www.mizzima.com/opinion/interviews/item/13545-father-of-kao-tao-murders-suspect-requests-chance-to-talk-to-his-son

Mizzima: How did you hear of the murder case

Father: People from our village living on Koh Tao informed us that Win Zaw Htun was arrested for murder. His mother did not believe it. Her son would not kill somebody. After we saw it on the TV news, we believed it. My wife is unable to eat or sleep anymore since then. She could go mad.

Mizzima: What will you do to lobby for the release of your son? Will you go to Yangon or go to Thailand?

Father: We have no idea what to do. We have no money to go to Yangon and no knowledge about how to go there.

So this is where someone could get familial DNA from to test against any samples collected in the UK....

I'd say that would be quite an independent test.

Thomas Eric Duncan died today.

I would apply for the usual 30 day extension, the standard refusal of this extension is the '7 day extension' stamp / notice to leave.

UK Rules--you often suggest that the UK Government 'should' do XYZ--but, as we all know, this is very unlikely--Cameron has enough on his plate with ISIS, UKIP, and other anagrams and really--does he have the balls? The UK Police are about as likely to get involved as Deputy Dawg.

I don't agree with what your saying my friend. This will not go away once the media kicks in again mark my words .....

It's a pretty standard thing to continue an investigation back in the UK when someone is murdered abroad.

http://www.sammabroad.org/ukagen.html

This has nothing to do with Cameron and how busy he is. There's a full and dedicated system in place for creating DNA profiles of the whole population, in fact I believe this is their ultimate goal.

When a victim arrives back in the UK after a vicious murder it is investigated, inquests can be held regardless of where the person dies.

If thi shappens samples will have been collected and stored permanently. These samples would be sent to a well equiped DNA lab along with 1000's of other samples collected every week and a full DNA profile of the material will have been produced.

This will have been done already as it's a standard procedure.

Read this - Section 5.2 in particular :

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/141958/mou-fco-acpo-coroners.pdf

If the families of the victims are fully satisfied that a full and honest investigation has taken place then I'm sure there will be no issue.

However if they aren't 100% satisfied then the following appears to apply :

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Also this one from the above link :

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So to sum it up, a murder investigation will be launched.

Do you think the families are full satisfied at this stage ?

Is it confirmed that the bodies of the deceased were sent for autopsy in the UK? I thought the Thais only send embalmed bodies abroad after removal of all internal organs in cases like this to avoid the embarrassment of conflicting autopsy reports.

Is is also confirmed that there will be inquests? Without reliable autopsies inquests would be a lot less effective.

Nothing is confirmed. From what I've read it's up to the families. If they are 100% satisfied with the investigation abroad then there would be no investigation.

Do you think the families of the victims are 100% satisfied ?

Don't expect any announcements of intentions. If we hear anything if will be when the results are beyond doubt.

I have a feeling that familial DNA testing could be useful here. Familial DNA analysis can be used to prove guilt just as easily as it can be used to prove innocence.

It's worth remembering that the victims bodies were repatriated quickly, before there were any suggestions that someone with influence may or may not have been involved in this case.

I understand what you are saying, and obviously would be as happy as anyone were it to happen, but how do you suppose the UK investigators would go about getting 'familial DNA'if the family doesn't wish to provide it?

This all depends on which family I'm talking about doesn't it ?

Imagine a scenario where samples collected in the UK are tested against Burmese relatives of the accused.

We know that that familial analysis can prove a relative, it can also be used to disprove a relative if such a relative were available.

UK Rules--you often suggest that the UK Government 'should' do XYZ--but, as we all know, this is very unlikely--Cameron has enough on his plate with ISIS, UKIP, and other anagrams and really--does he have the balls? The UK Police are about as likely to get involved as Deputy Dawg.

This has nothing to do with Cameron and how busy he is. There's a full and dedicated system in place for creating DNA profiles of the whole population, in fact I believe this is their ultimate goal.

When a victim arrives back in the UK after a vicious murder it is investigated, inquests can be held regardless of where the person dies.

If thi shappens samples will have been collected and stored permanently. These samples would be sent to a well equiped DNA lab along with 1000's of other samples collected every week and a full DNA profile of the material will have been produced.

This will have been done already as it's a standard procedure.

Read this - Section 5.2 in particular :

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/141958/mou-fco-acpo-coroners.pdf

If the families of the victims are fully satisfied that a full and honest investigation has taken place then I'm sure there will be no issue.

However if they aren't 100% satisfied then the following appears to apply :

request-assistance.JPG

Also this one from the above link :

request-assistance-2.JPG

So to sum it up, a murder investigation will be launched.

Do you think the families are full satisfied at this stage ?

Is it confirmed that the bodies of the deceased were sent for autopsy in the UK? I thought the Thais only send embalmed bodies abroad after removal of all internal organs in cases like this to avoid the embarrassment of conflicting autopsy reports.

Is is also confirmed that there will be inquests? Without reliable autopsies inquests would be a lot less effective.

Nothing is confirmed. From what I've read it's up to the families. If they are 100% satisfied with the investigation abroad then there would be no investigation.

Do you think the families of the victims are 100% satisfied ?

Don't expect any announcements of intentions. If we hear anything if will be when the results are beyond doubt.

I have a feeling that familial DNA testing could be useful here. Familial DNA analysis can be used to prove guilt just as easily as it can be used to prove innocence.

It's worth remembering that the victims bodies were repatriated quickly, before there were any suggestions that someone with influence may or may not have been involved in this case.