JonnyF

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

So why aren't left handed people and gingers also singled out? After all, they too are not normal. Give your nonsense a rest already. 

Gingers are also singled out. Same as Jews (no difference according to Dianne Abbott).

But yes, being left handed would not be considered the norm either. Nothing wrong with that either. 

English people waving the English flag in public?

The horror!!!

I hope they were arrested, or at the very least given a Palestinian flag to wave by the Police. 

If the friend was also Scottish, I'm guessing it was his round next and decided it would save him 90 Baht if his friend had an "unfortunate accident" before arriving at the next bar. 

That hill is lethal in the wet.

The foreigner was fortunate the van wasn't 50 metres further up the road. 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a pejorative opinion.

 

Take that up with Tug.

It's an observation based on another poster's view that all GOP supporters are stupid in comparison to Dem supporters.

Based on the posts on here, that appears not to be the case.  

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm..

 

 

That's not an insult. It's an observation. If you feel it is not accurate, read some of @Tug posts on Trump. 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And 2023 has been and gone.

 

Do the right thing Jonny, admit you blundered. 

A lame argument. May 2024 has also been and gone. It doesn't mean a poll from May can be ignored. 

2023 is hardly ancient history given that we are still in the first half of 2024. In 2023 they said they don't want one now and they don't want one in the next 5 years. Are you claiming they've all changed their minds? 

Labour certainly don't seem to think it's a vote winner. Otherwise given that they want to rejoin, it would be in their manifesto since it would guarantee a win at the election and re-entry to the EU. Strange then, that they don't have it in there. A real mystery 😃.

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or acute and refined but passed over your head.

 

Like I said, all insults and no substance. 

The posts from the GOP supporters are so much more interesting and insightful than the bile/drivel from the left. 

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The polling evidence you provided is only 26% supported having a referendum before the end of 2023 ( which was last year) but have 46 % support a second referendum within the next ten years (now 9 years). 

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But the election is 6 weeks away.😃

Not 2033.

Let's see how the EU and UK is doing in 2033 and see if people still want a referendum then. As of now, there's no appetite for it as my link showed.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think psychological projection explains your post perfectly.

 

Pure accusation confession.

Like I said, lazy, glib comments and no substance.

Typical of the left. Although in your defense at least your posts are mostly legible unlike many suffering from a rabid hatred of Trump. 

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a great example of cherry picking Jonny.

 

 

If you didn't want polling evidence you shouldn't have asked for it.

Your position appears to be that Labour who are Pro Rejoin have an electorate desperate for a referendum to rejoin yet they refuse to make it part of their manifesto. Are they scared of getting too many votes and too large a majority?

Like many of your arguments, it simply makes no sense. 

If Labour want it, and the electorate want it, why not make it the headline of their manifesto? The Rejoin General Election. They'd walk it, right?

Or maybe they read the same poll that I showed you? 😄

On 6/3/2024 at 6:28 AM, Excogitator said:

I used to think: 

What level of crazy do you have to be, to support a man like Trump, now a convicted felon, and to actually want him as your president?

 

I got it all wrong...

 

As much as I hate to generalize, I am now convinced, beyond any doubt, that it is not a matter of mental health, but in fact, a matter of intelligence, or lack thereof.

An interesting conclusion.

As a neutral observer, it seems many of the Biden supporters on the forum are semi-literate and can only make childish insults about Trump and people who vote GOP (if you can actually make it to the end of their rambling, vitriolic rants devoid of paragraphs and littered with slang/grammatical errors). 

The GOP supporters tend to write coherently and make logical arguments, even if I do not always agree with them.

Just an observation. The Dunning-Kruger effect could explain it. 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Got any polls to back those claims up ?

Of course.

Like I said, there is no appetite for it at the moment.

If there was then Labour would propose it. They'd propose selling Granny to Russia if they thought it would get them power.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45986-46-36-britons-say-there-should-be-another-eu-refer

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Hopefully, the gap between the rejoiners and those in denial will continue to grow (and there is certainly no sign of and that changing) and at some point in the future, some wise individual will positively redress this historic act of self sabotage. 

Probably the same day William Wallace is reincarnated and leads the proud Scots to Independence. 😃

It's over. Let go. 

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is zero point putting rejoining the EU in a Labour Manifesto.

Well, if everyone wanted to rejoin then it would get them into power. They are not doing it because they know it is not popular.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

The EU will not negotiate until both major political parties agree to rejoin.

Doesn't matter. They could get power and hold the referendum. Then win it (according to you). Then start negotiations. 

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

The parties are lagging public opinion, they will eventually catch up.

Nonsense. They know public opinion perfectly well which is why they won't touch it with a bargepole. It's a vote loser. It's over. Let go. 

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The clear and consistent majority of UK voters disagree with you - as they have done in poll after poll after poll, year after year. Clearly the Brexit benefits that you continuously crow about are not being felt by the rest of the population. 

 

https://www.whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

 

 

 

Oh I see the issue here, I was talking about the actual facts about the UK economy, not some leading questions on a dodgy opinion poll.

Either way, we're out now and voting Labour won't change that. If Labour were so sure people wanted to rejoin they would stand on a manifesto of a second referendum to rejoin. They are not. Why? Because they know it would cost them the election. 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why would a ‘right of center’ Tory voter fed up with what you claim to be a Tory drift to a current ‘center left’ position choose to vote for Labour? It just doesn’t make sense Jonny.

 

A protest vote.

Why did traditional red wall voters vote for Boris en masse giving him a huge majority in 2019? Because they were sick of Labour ignoring their Brexit vote and were prepared to hold their nose. Nobody predicted that, including you. So are you saying red wall voters can vote for Boris but Tory voters cannot vote Labour? It's not a logical argument. 

Many people are fed up with the Tories and want to teach them a lesson. Since there is very little between them and Labour these days, they probably think it won't make much difference and want to stick it to the Tories. 

If they now have a choice of how to do that (Labour or Reform) I predict they will choose Reform to demonstrate what they want the Tories to be. Right of centre. They don't need to vote Labour to stick it to the Tories any more. It's an easy out. I believe this will cost Labour the votes of disillusioned Conservatives.

I don't need an opinion piece from The Telegraph (or The Guardian) to convince me, because we are all making a prediction and I have stated my reasons for reaching my conclusion. I think this could make the election a lot closer than polls are suggesting and I wouldn't rule out a hung Parliament. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe something from the unquestionably rightwing Daily Express would be more to your liking:

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1906878/tory-seats-general-election-reform-uk-damage

That's better, try to limit the lazy glib responses, it makes for a much better debate. 

This is a conservative opinion piece aimed at stopping Farage. Of course the Tories want everyone to vote Tory.

The reality is that many people to the right of centre that are fed up with the Tories will now vote Reform instead of Labour. Labour just lost many of those disillusioned Conservative voters. 

I wouldn't rule out a Tory/Reform coalition, with Reform gently nudging the Tories back to right from where they have drifted to their current left of centre position. The Conservatives might be forced to be Conservative again. 

That wouldn't be the half that vote Democrat would it? 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Hope springs eternal Jonny.

 

A lazy reply.