JonnyF

14 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

As for Trump's conviction, most Trump supporters will see this drama as politically motivated. Even people undecided might conclude they don't like their choice of President being dictated by courts/juries. I don't see this harming his chances, might even help them. 

No, they are culling anti-semitic, race card playing, mathematically illiterate loonies like you Diane.

They have no choice if they wish to stand a chance of being elected to power. 

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Usual slur from the usual source.

You don't consider Hamas and Al Qaeda to be scumbags? To suggest so is a slur?

I can't say I'm surprised. 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve laid out the criteria on which I believe someone to be a bigot and also on which I believe Murray to be Islamophobic.

 

Oddly you don’t challenge my rational, you simply resort to a personal attack.

I asked you to provide examples for Murray being Islamophobic.

You ignored that request, and repeated the accusation.

You have no evidence to back it up. I doubt you even read the book. Easier to trot out the same old "Islamaphobic/racist/far right/bigot" nonsense I suppose. Why break the habit of a lifetime? 😃

19 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The habit these days of labelling conservative politicians, polemicists and even journalists and their journals or various medias as "far right" is a complete exaggeration, but one which serves to demonize those you wish to argue against, in much the same way that howling genocide at Israel does

 

Past regimes of the far right were marked by extreme nationalism, institutionalised racism, the widespread use of extra judicial arrests, indeterminate imprisonment, torture and killings. The Nazis in mid 20th Century Germany, many of the South American military dictatorships of the late 20th Century, and the post colonial tribe dictatorships found in Africa. Perhaps the most egregious example of a far right regime today is the military regime in Myanmar/Burma. Many of the hallmarks of these regimes of course are replicated in those of the "far left", just as it was difficult to find a real difference to life in NAZI Germany or Stalin's Russia, so it is difficult to separate for example the lot of the people's of present day Venezuela and Myanmar.

 

The generation of Conservative politicians around today in Europe are light years away from that - Wilders and Marine La Pen (whilst I do not like much of their politics) are light years away from that) and are not coming to power through street fighting or violent revolution, but by winning votes from an electorate disenchanted by the course taken by the established parties. Ironically , whilst nationalist in terms of wishing to preserve the traditions culture and way of life in their own countries, they are rapidly becoming something of a pan-national grouping within Europe.

 

Suella Braverman, Jacob Rees Mogg,  Douglas Murray, Nigel Farage and others on the conservative tendency in British politics are readily labelled "far right" as if they were fellow travellers of Heinrich Himmler or Julius Stretcher. It is ridiculous; they quite simply are not.

 

To label the Spectator or Daily Telegraph as far right publications is as silly as labelling the New Statesman and the Guardian as far left, - I leave the Economist out of these comments because I can rarely understand it!

 

Robust disagreement and debate is healthy, and essential to proper democratic politics. This sort of perjorative labelling is not. It weakens debate and falsely labels opponents.

 

 

Great post.

Unfortuately there are a handful of prolific posters on the forum (we all know who they are) who are unable to make a coherent argument against many Conservative ideas and therefore resort to labeling everything they disagree with as "far right" or "whateverphobic" or the classic "I will ignore what you typed because I know what you're really thinking".

It's lazy, disingenuous and reduces the debate to name calling. 

The post directly above yours is a good example. 

Just another bunch of scumbags to add to the long list of those supporting the anti-Israel movement.

No doubt the radical left will be thankful for their support, along with their friends in Hamas. 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And an observation by me of that propensity of yours to insert immigration into any and all topics regardless of what the topic is.

If you can stop posting for 30 seconds you might want to clean your glasses. 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

You might recall I said I would point out examples of this behavior of yours. 

No I rarely pay much attention to any of your drivel. 

I hope flights to Dubai aren't fully booked. 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I presume you’ve read the book you linked?

 

Any of the authors scribbling?

You made the claim, not me.

So back it up.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think people who write books laced with ‘the great replacement theory’ and resort to repetitive pejorative statements against millions of people on the basis of their faith are bigots.

Which statements would those be?

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, you could have been economically better of. 

Seems unlikely, given that having left we are outpeforming France and Germany who stayed.

But feel free to believe your guesswork is more valid than the actual economic results. 

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you playing the ‘Gay Card’?

 

I certainly wasn’t.

 

 

No. You were playing the "anyone who opposes Muslim intolerance/homophobia is far right/Islamaphobic/racist" card.

But you already knew that. 

36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

First you give us grossly generalized pejorative views against millions of people, then you round it out by presenting your reading matter from a far right, Islamophobic author.

 

 

Murray is neither far right nor Islamaphobic (although as Murray is a gay man I can see why he might be worried about Islamic intolerance/homophobia) but I guess when that's your only card you have to play it. 

Just now, stevenl said:

Just imagine how good it could have been.

Ironic. Given how Remainers were telling us we were an insignificant little island that couldn't survive without the mighty EU. 

At least you learnt something from Brexit. 

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Every demographic below 65yo + is in favour of rectifying this colossally stupid error. It surely has to come - we will return to Europe.

Why?

We are already outperforming their 2 largest economies. 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html