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6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

With multiple polls showing the majority of UK voters in agreement that Brexit was a stupid idea to start with, and that it's 'implementation' has been a total failure for the UK, I am not sure that Farage's particular brand of snake oil is going to be so well received this time around.

If by failure, you mean outperforming France and Germany.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/26/even-lacklustre-britain-outperforming-failing-europe/

The EU is failing. We got out at the right time. History will be very kind to Brexit. 

The Scots should be thanking Westminster. 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Great News for Labour and anyone who wants to get rid of the Tories.

 

 

A lazy analysis.

People who were fed up with the Tories might have held their nose and voted Labour. Now, many will vote Reform instead. 

It could also force the Tories back to the right of centre, gaining them more votes from traditional Conservative voters. 

Farage got Brexit over the line and even got elected to the EU Parliament with a brand new party. He should not be underestimated. Expect lots of childish insults from the left (as this thread demonstrates). 

Looks like the left are panicking. 😃

Given what he did with his election to the EU Parliament with the Bexit Party, I'm not surprised.

I suspect a lot of people disillusioned with Labour/Conservatives who may not have voted will now make the journey to the polling station, even if it is a protest vote. 

This certainly makes the election more interesting, it would have been a snooze fest with Starmer and Sunak 'battling' it out. Imagine what could happen in the event of a hung parliament. A Tory/Reform coalition?

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Yea, he's a martyr just like Osama bin Laden is a martyr to radical jihadis. Anyway, he prefers to compare himself to Mother Teresa.

 

He's actually kryptonite to Repubs. All he ever won was the Electoral College in 2016.

 

He lost the popular vote twice.

He lost (R)s the House in 2018, and both the House and Senate in 2020.

He lost the Senate in Georgia really badly...even the runoff.

 

As he whines his way into the election, he will lose more and more fringe and swing voters with his bizarre rants and threats of 'retribution'. His conviction will only help with those who already worship him; it won't gain new voters.

 

His presser yesterday was absolute madness. Totally unhinged stream of (un)consciousness.  Jails in the Congo? WTF?

 

As Jimmy Kimmel said, the guy has so many screws loose even Boeing is going to recall him.

 

 

Comparing Trump to Bin Laden?

Get a grip...😃

Interesting that they avoided mentioning any Muslim countries. 

I wonder why...

The mythical far right. 

Invented by the left to discredit anyone with a different opinion. Massive fail. 

They've made him into a martyr.

All the Republicans need now is Hillary to make a speech calling his supporters nasty names and it will be a slam dunk for the GOP.

Come on Hillary, think about Monica and let rip with that bile. Maybe Obama could do a speech as well, he managed to secure Brexit so let's hear his empty threats again.

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump was removed from office by a fair and democratic election.

 

Trump was indicted by a Grand Jury,

Trump has been convicted by a jury of his pears in open court.

 

If you have evidence that the Jury did not give right and proper consideration to the evidence and testimony presented in court, let’s be having it.

 

 

This conviction will be the biggest own goal since Hillarys deplorables speech 

Mark my words.

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You're rationalizing the outcome.

 

It's one of the seven stages of grief.

Grieving? 😄 For a start, I am no fan of Trump (although I prefer him to Biden) but I am less of a fan of kangaroo courts and politically motivated trials. 

Secondly, Trump has lost the battle but not the war. If this were a football game he's conceded a free kick in the opponents half in the 15th minute. Hardly worth grieving over, even for Trump fans. 

I predict he will still win in November. In fact I believe it is more likely after this debacle. 

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

There are  multiples queries on here as to whether one can accept the verdict as guilty.

 

I don't know exactly what 'accept' means. At the begonning of the trial Judge Merchan advised Trump and his attorneys that if Trump does not show up every day the court is in session, the judge will issue a warrant for his immediate arrest. So this I accept as the real thing.

 

Do I 'agree' with the verdict? No.

 

"The jurors reached a verdict in the late afternoon, after less than 12 hours of deliberation in the hush money criminal case."

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4685007-jury-reaches-verdict-trump-hush-money-trial/

 

The Jury instructions were 48 pages before getting to the standard every trial-type instructions.

 

I don't see how the jury could have read and commented on points raised in 12 hours. And as even left-leaning legal pros have commented, there are issues in Judge Merchan's pre-trial rulings that are fodder for appeal.

Exactly.

Guilty on all 34 counts after less than 12 hours deliberation.

The optics are terrible. Like something from a banana republic. 😃

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

That is why the whole discussion stops at either "convicted felon" or "34 counts!!" without any cogent explanation.

I think finding him guilty on all 34 doesn't look legit. If it was say, 25 out of 34 people might think it was a fair and well considered judgement.

Now, with a slam dunk of all 34 it looks like there could have been a 35th charge of flying to Mars on a unicorn without a licence and he'd have 35 counts. 

The optics are terrible and are likely to increase his support.